User talk:Theleekycauldron/Archive/2022/November

DYK for Sarah Ashton-Cirillo

On 29 September 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sarah Ashton-Cirillo, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Sarah Ashton-Cirillo, covering the Russian invasion of Ukraine, said that Ukrainians care less about her being transgender than Americans do? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sarah Ashton-Cirillo. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Sarah Ashton-Cirillo), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 04:40, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 11,569 views (596.3 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of September 2022 – nice work!

theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:59, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

October songs

Thank you! - Today is Erntedank in Germany, thanksgiving, and we celebrated our village's 650th anniversary, and had the dress rehearsal for Verdi's Requiem with an interesting band of marimba, piano, horn, bass, timpani and drum, - concert tomorrow, our national holiday. Seeing a pic I took on the Main page was also a nice harvest. -- (never signed, 2 Sep)

I just added the stats for British logistics in the Western Allied invasion of Germany to the German DYK, - I don't know if your method accounts for an article having been moved during appearance (which I tried to prevent ...). Made the stats, in my book. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: lovely! I had a meaningful break for Yom Kippur on my end. Hmm... I can't think of an easy way to adjust for this page move. I don't count pageviews from redirects; since DYK has its own policy against running redirect links, there really should be no reason to do so. except... argh. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:47, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I think we just have to make a manual exception then. We can't punish the creator for the idea to move the page in the middle of the day, 5,9k early + 6k later. When measured it wasn't a redirect. See me fighting the move on the talk, but in vein. - We also thought of Yom Kippur, with an Israeli friend listening to the 3 October concert. The soprano was born in Jerusalem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I'll see what I can do, but ultimately, the script erases any manual changes made to the tables. It doesn't add, it just overwrites. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:47, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I am not sure I understand all of that. The script would not make an entry, because none of the two versions made it to 10,000, right? What would the script "overwrite" then? Including Amakuru. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Would you please make that exception? - Regarding Borys Lyatoshynsky, I thanked you for the better wording, but am disappointed that he didn't get an image. This is the Ukrainian composer who wrote a symphony with a movement subtitled "Peace will conquer war". I would have chosen that for a hook if we had not said the same thing with the conductor, Luigi Gaggero. To speak only about one little piece of private mourning, without the image that tells a lot seems saying too little. If no image, can we at least speak about a symphony in student days, with a bit more stature? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Begrudgingly and respectfully, I think I'd stand behind the decision I made. I didn't see the image communicating much at all, myself (although I am, as are most readers of your hooks, an outsider) – just seemed like another biographical candidate. I also think that the hook I chose represents the right balance of information and intrigue. As always, you're welcome to challenge this at a noticeboard, and I'm quite sorry to hear that you are disappointed. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:47, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

It isn't - in my humble opinion - just another biography, but one in cultural resistance to Russian dominance in Ukraine, and this early, in the 1950s. If I can't convince you that he therefore deserves an image, because that deserves attention, I won't convince a noticeboard either. Yesterday I had an image hook, with not even a spectacular image: 8k+ instead of the normal 1.5k for a church. I also like the way he looks, again not just any pic, but that may be just me. Helping the cultural resistence against Russian dominance, however, is not a personal thing, so please understand that a little private hook about such a person (+ a GA not by me, - I'd probably be less disappointed if just one of "my" little bios) leaves me sad. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

I told the author to make it a FA. - New day, another pictured DYK (but not pictured by me this time): look at power work tensions (if you translate) - That hook appeared at the time when Europe sleeps, so will also not draw a massive crowd, but can we do. I didn't realise we were back to 2 sets per do until too late to say something. What happened to the stats for the moved article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

New pics. - "canvass": if I'd nominate and ping my favourite reviewer, that's canvassing to me. Instead, nomination after nomination I put BLP noms on the free market (hoping for some diversity in reviewers I confess) where all but one recently were inspected by the same reviewer, with whom I tried not to loose patience again and again. Only when in despair (imagine: saying about a great performer no more than where she was born!!), I turned for help to a friend who has even more patience than I can offer. - I hope the problem is now solved now by your proposal - thank you for that - but the term "canvass" has still disturbed my peace of mind. - I performed in a circus, did you know? - look, that would be a sensation-grabbing misleading hook of the sort I don't like, - because while true it's not exactly to the point. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:47, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I'll beg your pardon in advance, because I simply haven't found sleep tonight, and am choosing to respond at 4:00am PT. If I come across as curt, i do apologize :)

I know that your nominations sometimes prove frustrating, I do sympathize. I don't think there's anything wrong per se with you pinging Storye book, if all you want is for her to offer her patience and persuasion. But I've observed, at several different nominations, Storye book instead becoming actively involved with the nomination, influencing consensus and offering approval of a hook – not always convincing Narutolovehinata5 that their original judgement was misguided.

If you ping Storye book, and she leaves a well-worded, persuasive argument on Narutolovehinata5's talk page, or the nomination's talk page, that's fine. I'm glad you found a good translator, and there's nothing wrong with attempting to convince. But if you ping Storye book, and she influences the outcome of the discussion by offering a tick or otherwise moving the consensus needle, that's a problem for me. I assume that you intended your pings only to inspire discussion, of course – but if you directly ping, for that reason, a single person previously uninvolved, they must remain neutral on the nompage.

I apologize that you were disturbed my comments – that certainly wasn't my intention. But I hope you still take this to heart, because I'm afraid I remain convinced that you should stick to unspecific requests for new pairs of eyes on a situation.

The chips fall where they may :) I started staying behind for an hour after my Monday music class because there's a piano in the room. Nice opportunity to get my practice in – ever hear the end of La La Land's "A Lovely Night"? Quite charming. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 11:09, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I should probably not disturb you by a reply at this hour but will forget otherwise.

1. If I ping Storye book for a comment, but it ends in an involvement, that is not my intention or decision. You probably don't have time now or soon, but you can check all noms, for me pleading and trying myself, and Storye book then doing the same. Start with Talia Or, which crossed my line of patience. I explained in detail why 3 new hooks didn't work for me, and all that happened wasn't a modification of them but the call for a different reviewer.
2. I believe all this is over so I don't have to take anything to heart.

How did you like the circus act pictured? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:55, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Just to clarify: I hadn't seen when I wrote the above that you looked at Or, sort of. I don't understand your comment there: the request for a new reviewer was in place and didn't need repetition. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

today's DYK: two facts from the two concert of this years Rheingau Musik Festival I liked best, both a cappella singing. If you follow the songs, you see a circus, where I performed singing, and in the end the whole tent joined for Dona nobis pacem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

who shall separate us --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

leaving the month with reformation and a cat treat --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

cat! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:02, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Claudia Fleming

On 29 October 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Claudia Fleming, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after Claudia Fleming's dessert cookbook went out of print due to poor sales, used copies began circulating on eBay for hundreds of dollars? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Claudia Fleming. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Claudia Fleming), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

lovely to see another quirky Claudia! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: thank you! Oh, and I did love the circus act :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:43, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

thank you, and I love to see this Claudia pictured now --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:00, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

GRuban always has a good image up his sleeve :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:01, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

I was sure I had a gender set. Must have reset it some time.Fixed now. Aw, shucks. No, I can't find an image nearly as often as I'd like. But when I can, I am happy others appreciate it. --GRuban (talk) 01:22, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm back!

Hi! I was busy IRL and was off-wiki for a few days, but now I'm trying to get back to prep building. I just filled prep 2 and 3. Since it has been over a month, would you mind going through those preps and let me know if everything seems fine? I was finding it difficult to find quirky hooks, but then I read this. Hope you are doing good!! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 20:46, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Well well well, welcome back, @Kavyansh.Singh! I'm doing pretty well, great to hear from you :) I'll do some quick checks to make sure you haven't lost your edge. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:55, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

• Meadow knapweed: I mean, species hybrids seem rather routine to me, and I see plenty of other interesting hook ideas in the article. Pretty image, though :)
• Irreligion in Malaysia: This is a very strong claim that's being sourced to an anonymized source in The Diplomat. The paper doesn't seem willing to repeat the charges in their own voice, instead attributing back to the source, a source which does not claim any expert status. I don't think that's good enough for DYK to repeat the claim in wikivoice.
• Pride Month: My perception of this might be skewed, but I feel like if there's one thing people know about Pride Month (aside from who it celebrates), it's the connection to the Stonewall Riots. That seems to be already well-known – it'd be a shame to throw away our shot on a hook everyone knows.
• Manuel Carpio: For a "first" hook, I would ideally want a better source than "The earliest... that I could find" from the blogs of the Library of Congress. LoC is good, but that's a shaky claim, and there's been a recurring trend of "first" hooks being debunked with simple counterclaims.

theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:29, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

I have found multiple sources for the claim, and you did suggest the hook rewording. SL93 (talk) 00:04, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

yeah, I mean, I didn't verify it when I suggested it... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:06, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

That's one of the first things that I would do. SL93 (talk) 00:07, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

La Llorona has the fact cited to Werner, Michael S. (1997). Encyclopedia of Mexico: History, Society & Culture - Vol. 1. Chicago: Fitzroy Dearborn. ISBN 1-884964-31-1. I also have [1] and I included this at the nomination. SL93 (talk) 00:10, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I don't have access to that, so AGF – no worries theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:52, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't know if it's just me, but the management section in Meadow knapweed sounds like a how to guide. SL93 (talk) 03:14, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

A few sentences read rather... off, but does seem to be mostly if not wholly encyclopedic content. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:53, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Prep 1

I was looking at prep 1 and saw no biographies in the set. I'm guessing that is an issue. Plus the two music hooks. SL93 (talk) 00:32, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I took care of it. SL93 (talk) 03:06, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, SL93 :) I saw your message, but I was away for quite a while. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:52, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Cunard and COI editing

The same I thought :), maybe this is why they didn't what a hook on Cunard, very deceitful... but joke aside, even if they were related with the Cunards, they'd deserve a barnstorm (spelling mistake, Freudian slip?)for it. Actually I just thought of a good one.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 06:46, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cunard Paradise Chronicle (talk) 06:47, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

WikiCup 2022 November newsletter

The 2022 WikiCup has drawn to a close with the final round going down to the wire. The 2022 champion is

• Lee Vilenski (1752 points), who won in 2020 and was runner up in both 2019 and last year. In the final round he achieved 3 FAs and 15 GAs, mostly on cue sports. He was closely followed by
• Bloom6132 (1732), who specialised in "In the news" items and DYKs, and who has reached the final round of the Cup for the past three years. Next was
• BennyOnTheLoose (1238), another cue sports enthusiast, also interested in songs, followed by
• Muboshgu (1082), an "In the news" contributor, a seasoned contestant who first took part in the Cup ten years ago. Other finalists were
• Sammi Brie (930), who scored with a featured article, good articles and DYKs on TV and radio stations,
• Kavyansh.Singh (370), who created various articles on famous Americans, including an FA on Louis H. Bean, famed for his prediction of election outcomes. Next was
• PCN02WPS (292), who scored with good articles and DYKs on sporting and other topics and
• Z1720 (25) who had DYKs on various topics including historic Canadians.

During the WikiCup, contestants achieved 37 featured articles, 349 good articles, 360 featured article reviews, 683 good article reviews and 480 In the news items, so Wikipedia has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors. Well done everyone! All those who reached the final round will receive awards and the following special awards will be made, based on high performance in particular areas of content creation and review. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, these prizes are awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round, or the overall leader in this field.

• Lee Vilenski wins the featured article prize, for a total of 6 FAs during the course of the competition and 3 in the final round.
• Kavyansh.Singh wins the featured list prize, for 3 FLs in round 2.
• Adam Cuerden wins the featured picture prize, for 39 FPs during the competition.
• Z1720 wins the featured article reviewer prize, for 35 FARs in round 4.
• Epicgenius wins the good article prize, for 32 GAs in round 1.
• SounderBruce wins the featured topic prize, for 4 FT articles in round 1.
• Lee Vilenski wins the good topic prize, for 34 GT articles in round 5.
• Sammi Brie wins the good article reviewer prize, for 71 GARs overall.
• Sammi Brie wins the Did you know prize, for 30 DYKs in round 3 and 106 overall.
• Bloom6132 wins the In the news prize, for 106 ITNs in round 5 and 289 overall.

Next year's competition will begin on 1 January and possible changes to the rules and scoring are being discussed on the discussion page. You are invited to sign up to take part in the contest; the WikiCup is open to all Wikipedians, both novices and experienced editors, and we hope to have a good turnout for the 2023 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners and finalists, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:29, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of 2022 California Proposition 29

The article 2022 California Proposition 29 has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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Hi there. Sorry for the template, but since you did create the draft, I felt you should also be notified, even if you didn't move it into mainspace.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:35, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

No worries, Onel5969! thanks for the heads-up :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 19:44, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of 2022 California Proposition 29 for deletion

Removing template, but letting you know it was deprodded so I AfD'd it.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:29, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

First edit day

{{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:14, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• @Sdkb: why thank you for the lovely gifts! :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Vital article DYK?

Hey, I've a few articles that I want to improve it to be eligible for DYK, but it's just so hard trying to expand them by 5x. Do you have any tips to quickly (and legitly) find content to add to these broad-topic articles? CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 14:35, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) For broad-topic vital articles, I tend to find that the challenge is condensing them so that they adhere to WP:TOOBIG, rather than expanding them. If you're having trouble finding material to expand them, that's perhaps a sign that the topic should not be expanded, and that GA is the correct goal for a DYK appearance. If you're focusing on a highly neglected VA that truly needs the expansion, my suggestion would be to start zoomed out, and try to figure out what the sections should be. To do that, you can look at similar well-developed articles, do research to find out what secondary sources are covering, and just try to think through all angles of how someone could approach the topic. Once you have the sectioning with appropriate weight, it becomes a smaller-scale matter of just filling them out. If you want more specific advice, it'd be helpful to know which specific articles you're working on. I hope that's useful! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:38, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot about your advice. I and a few others at WP:PVITAL is working on Land – it used to be a very short article, but now it is almost approaching 50 kB in prose size. Condensing seems to be a wise idea at this point. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:41, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Happy Fifth First Edit Day!

Hey, Theleekycauldron. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 20:14, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

• Thanks to the both of ya! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 05:36, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Nerdy first edit... #NerdCred BusterD (talk) 18:57, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
    • Aaaabsolutely. Complete OR, but definitely nerdy. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:18, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

DYK ethics

I'm wondering what your thoughts are of the ethicality of a recent DYK practice of mine. A couple recent creations of mine I've run through DYK for the sole purpose of having my bases covered if I ever get them to FAC so they'll be WP:FOUR eligible: 9th Missouri Sharpshooter Battalion and Fort Curtis (Arkansas). Frankly, I imagine the fort is pretty non-interesting to most, and the sharpshooters weren't much better. I can't shake the feeling that dumping boring articles on the DYK process for the sake of having a DYK in the future is not an ethically good thing, but I think a second opinion would be nice. Hog Farm _Talk 04:36, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: I'd love to know your definition of "non-interesting to most", as 9th Missouri Sharpshooter Battalion scored 569.9 views per hour while on the main page, putting it among the top 20% of hooks or so. Normally, I'd tell you to just follow your gut, but you seem to be selling yourself short :) if you really don't feel like an article is DYK-worthy, that's fine, of course. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 05:35, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

If you ever want a second pair of eyes to make sure your hook is interesting, or to write one up, my talk page is always open :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 05:37, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

What's your thoughts on Template:Did you know nominations/Fort Curtis (Arkansas)? I felt this was pretty run-of-the-mill, but I think I'm largely basing that on "my background knowledge says this isn't any different than the other forts in Arkansas", while forts in Arkansas is a subject that most people don't have that background knowledge on. Hog Farm _Talk 14:31, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I see two of my favorite people discussing an issue, so naturally I want to stick my nose in. Ethically, I believe HF is on solid ground, bringing each of his "four-eligible" works to DYK. I can highly recommend the utilization of theleekycauldron's "punchy hook" skill. May I comment? My first read through of the Fort Curtis page catches the note containing a Bearss reference. So they reconstructed the fort, but despite the use of contemporary maps, the reconstruction may not be at the exact site or the exact size of the original? That seems somewhat punchy to me, and well-documented. "Some uncertainty" seems a great place to start. BusterD (talk) 18:20, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, they can't really put the fort on the same spot because of the NRHP-listed site on the original area, although the sources of course don't say that plainly. I'm hesitant to try to use the north-of-town or west-of-town note as a hook, simply because I suspect the difference is just disagreement in sources about what constituted Helena proper. Hog Farm _Talk 18:37, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: I couldn't tell you whether it was run-of-the-mill or not, but the hooks certainly intrigued me :) as a non-expert, I'd say it meets criteria in that respect. I don't see much else in the article that could be used as a hook, so that might be the best you've got? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:41, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Just the fact that you're concerned about if your hooks are interesting alone shows that you're doing a good job and aren't part of the problem as far as boring hooks go. I've had several instances where a hook I thought was boring actually turned out to be more interesting to most people. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:05, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Seconded – this kind of introspection is definitely admirable :) and from my stint in promoting DYK hooks, I don't recall ever being worried about yours, Hog Farm. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 11:18, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't think there's ethically anything wrong with this at DYK. But for me it does raise a question...if en editor is only submitting for purposes of a future FOUR, and even in their own mind there aren't any interesting hooks, should we offer some alternative way to get the DYK Y? I'd certainly be willing to do a free review (no QPQ for me) and fail the nom for interestingness of hook if that would mean 1. the editor gets their credit, but 2. the nom-with-no-good-hook doesn't clog up the system. Does an article have to appear, or just be nominated, to pass FOUR review? Would the folks at FOUR consider this an ethical problem there? Valereee (talk) 11:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@Valereee: I'd be... quite surprised if an article that has the inherent level of notability and coverage to reach FA status doesn't have anything in it interesting enough to put in a DYK hook. Which periodicals, newspapers, magazines, and books would waste so much ink covering something with not a single point of interest? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 11:18, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

tlc, but at the point it might be ready for DYK review (when it's less than 7 days old, 1500 words, everything has a source), maybe not. Eventually, after every available source has been tracked down and the editor has expanded it to the point it's ready for FA, maybe we've found something interesting. But that's not what we require for an article to be ready for DYK. An article could easily fail DYK for lack of an interesting hook and still be taken to FA eventually, maybe even years later. Valereee (talk) 11:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, that's not wrong, but I imagine if you're going for a WP:FOUR run 'round the bases, you'll probably have come up with something by the time it gets to GA. Just a thought :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 11:27, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Sure, and then it can appear as a GA. Which I assume would then tick the DYK box? But even then, if it truly didn't have anything interesting...say it's a Naval vessel that didn't see much action, and none of the crew ever did anything out of the ordinary, and eventually it was retired without much fuss, I don't know. There are some subjects that even boring examples get written about. It's a hypothetical, really, but in the case of editors like Hog Farm, who don't actually think there's a DYK in there but want to keep their options open just in case but also don't want to game the system...would FOUR accept a failed DYK nome? And why am I not surprised to see you answering at your 3:30 am lol... Valereee (talk) 11:40, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

You make a good point – I just don't mind there being a little extra challenge in requiring the DYK nom to be successful. An odd time for us to be chatting, my 3:30am and your 6:30am :) if you're as well-adjusted as I am routine-allergic, then that kind of thing becomes quite possible. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:17, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't think I've been intentionally awake at 3:30 am since mid-2019 Hog Farm _Talk 21:30, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

DYK edge case

Hi, I just ran across Template:Did you know nominations/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, which was recently promoted as a "moved to mainspace" article, which I thought was strange since I thought that article was years old. I would know---I merged it myself! It turns out that the article only appears to be new because the old history was sequestered away at a different article title. The new article does indeed appear to have all-new prose. It's just a little strange to see an article for a five-year old video game qualify for "new article DYK" on a technicality, solely because the old article history was moved out by a WP:RM/TR. If it was developed in article-space like it probably should have, it would not qualify. Axem Titanium (talk) 08:43, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Axem Titanium! I think you're right that there should be a histmerge, but I don't think it would make a difference in terms of newness; that moved-out version was also redirect, so it would have qualified under "expanded from redirect" either way. If there's consensus that something should be a redirect and then is expanded later into a full article, that does count as newness, even if someone made a futile attempt at an article before. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:23, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. That makes total sense. It probably also qualified under 5x expansion, now that I think about it. Oops! One last wrinkle to this situation is that someone proposed the article for merging before the DYK passed (with a credible argument that it was split against consensus to begin with), and the discussion appears to be moving quickly toward a consensus to merge it back into Mario Kart 8. Not sure what the protocol is for DYKs that have already been moved to prep area. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:43, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

@Axem Titanium: That'll be a problem for Template:Did you know nominations/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – Booster Course Pass, but I think the nomination of the parent article is gonna be mostly unaffected. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:45, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I was unclear. The discussion has expanded from merging only Booster Course Pass to merging all three articles back into one (MK8). Axem Titanium (talk) 21:49, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I see. That's gonna be a pull from prep – thanks for the heads up! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

No problem! Axem Titanium (talk) 21:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

DYK

Extra credit for fixing up my random use of *'s and :'s. :-) -- RoySmith (talk) 22:44, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Always happy to be pedantic for a good cause :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 05:35, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Here at Wikipedia, pedantry is our stock in trade. EEng 01:47, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

@EEng: what's the exchange rate between pedantry and QPQs? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:48, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

DYK

Thanks for the guidance about the DYK checkmarks. It was my first evaluation and although I read the instructions, I should havereviewed them more carefully. Still learning as I go, so I appreciate the coaching. Engmaj (talk) 17:07, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

• Happy to help, Engmaj :) keep at it, you'll pick it up soon enough! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

November music

November songs

celebrating GW60 or: the birthday of my first subject -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:28, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

3 concerts in 3 days can now be found together: a Ukrainian chamber choir, my cellist and composer friend's 60th birthday music (with a world premiere and that overview about his career), and Bach's ultimate statement about life and death --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:18, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I'll travel tomorrow with no connection for long hours, - could you please watch over the lead DYK in the next set and Helmut Reimer in the second set? (ERRORS, vandalism, you name it.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm back (at least to the airport), it was great! There will be more pics later today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving - Bach said it in music for peace --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:47, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Opera and Advent choral music on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

DYK Bob ("Weird Al" Yankovic song) hook

Did you swap the "Bob ("Weird Al" Yankovic song)" hook to a different day without realizing that it was intentionally set for 22/11/22 because that is the last palindromic day of this calender year? This was discussed both at the nomination and at DYK talk. BD2412 T 13:24, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@BD2412: Oh, no! That was totally a slip-up on my part. I even promoted it to the correct slot myself... do you want me to pull it and we can wait for the December date? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:19, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I think 12/21 (or 21/12 in Europe) still works. BD2412 T 22:40, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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