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Hi, please note that the WP MOS comma policy (WP:COMMA) allows serial commas. AV3000 (talk) 13:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Please stop removing serial commas unless the rest of the article doesn't use them or the text is made clearer because of it. Please read the Wikipedia policy on serial commas at MOS:SERIAL. Thanks. SQGibbon (talk) 07:59, 10 February 2011 (UTC

Stop moving tremolo

Re: you reclassifications of effects in the Effects unit article:

No one would dispute that tremelo is a volume effect unless they are confusing tremolo with vibrato. Effects involving the addition or elimination of distortion are classified as tone effects, and filter effects have to do with eliminating frequencies. Boss likes to make things confusing by classifying EQ as tone, but by definition EQ is the filtering of specific frequencies (click on the link to Equalization).

The articles and books cited should explain all this.

Tremolo is a volume effect. The tremolo bar on a guitar is famously misnamed because it actually produces vibrato.

Here: http://www.museumofmakingmusic.org/stompbox/index.php/home/categories-of-effects

Also: Tremolo "using electronic effects in guitar amplifiers and effects pedals which rapidly turn the volume of a signal up and down, creating a 'shuddering' effect"

Before making changes that are apt to cause dispute, users generally first discuss them on the talk page.--Atlantictire (talk) 09:26, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

What about vibrato and ring modulation?

http://www.museumofmakingmusic.org/stompbox/index.php/home/categories-of-effects

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibrato--Atlantictire (talk) 11:10, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

If you don't have references for these changes you are making, please stop. The information in the article is well-referenced, so unless you can cite information from a credible source in support of the changes they are groundless. If you have sources, they will still need to be discussed on the talk page. Otherwise, this is just going to turn into an editing war.--Atlantictire (talk) 01:11, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I have clearly cited my sources for my lastest edit, it is you who removed my accurate changes

http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/ProductSpotlight/GearAndInstruments/vibrato-tremolo-octave-divider/

this will need to be hashed out on the article's talk page. you're going to need to justify 1. why the category should be changed from pitch to modulation. 2. why tremolo should be classed as modulation. It would probably be a good idea to find some additional sources.--Atlantictire (talk) 12:10, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

1. I did not change it from pitch to modulation. It was pitch/frequency to modulation/pitch (modulation being the dominant in the category which is why it should come first).

2. A tremolo IS a modulation effect, it is closely related to the vibrato and the ring modulator. Ask any experienced pedal user and they will tell you likewise.

3. The article was written by Gibson, an industry standard guitar manufacturer that has produced highly sought after effects such as the Maestro Echoplex and the Maestro Fuzz.

4. Take a look at "Modulate and Double Sounds" on the BOSS website...see a TR-2?

http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/p_compactpedals.html

"Modulation"...see a TR-2?

http://www.bossus.com/gear/productlist.php?ParentId=256

Read the description for "Modulation". Flangers, chorus, phaser and TREMOLO effects.

http://www.bossus.com/gear/subcategories.php?ParentId=247

"Modulation" on the Dunlop/MXR website, you should see a rectangular purple pedal that says...

http://www.jimdunlop.com/products/electronics/mxr

Industry standard pedal makers can't be wrong now can they?

The website where you got your sources from is inaccurate, the reason I asked "what about vibrato and ring modulation" was so you could show me where you get your sources from.

Ok, I see where you're coming from. The problem with that classification scheme--i.e. the one with the "modulation" category--is that it has more to do stompboxes and where to position them within signal chains than the physical properties of a waveform. If this were an article just on stompboxes that might make sense, but when you talk about effects more generally that category becomes cumbersome and impractical. Make sense? :-)--Atlantictire (talk) 17:44, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Also, just gave you the museum website as a quick and dirty explanation. There are lengthy, more in-depth explanations cited.--Atlantictire (talk) 17:47, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

The title of the page is "effects unit". All the examples given under the explainations for each effect are stompboxes. Effects units also come in rackmounts and modelers, essentially sonic extensions of a stompbox. Try typing in "stompbox" in the search bar. Underneath the title of the page you should see this "This article is about the percussion instrument. For effects pedals, see Effects unit."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stompbox

Effects unit = manufactured products of effects

My points have been made, the changes are justified. If you don't know what your doing or saying then it's you who should stop playing police. All your doing is misinforming people.

Yes, there used to be a page on stompboxes but after much discussion it was merged years ago into the guitar effects page, which was later merged into the effects unit page. I am aware that the examples provided are by and large stompboxes, but that is because WP pages exist for them and someone with a special interest in stompboxes felt like listing them. That's fine, but that doesn't mean the page is really just an article on stompboxes. If you take a closer look at the article, you'll see that it also covers rackmount units, tabletop units and amplifiers. Because when you're talking about effects as they pertain to rackmounts, it doesn't make any sense to still be thinking in terms of where a stompbox is positioned within a signal chain. Also, rackmounts commonly have the capacity to add vibrato without adding tremolo, and vice versa--whereas stompboxes tend to combine the two effects, which is why you're so confused;-)--Atlantictire (talk) 18:27, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Like I already said, effects unit = manufactured products of effects. Rackmounts and modelers are extensions of what their respective stompbox equivalents are SONICALLY capable of. If the modulation/pitch edit isn't exceptable, that's fine. But the tremolo MUST be moved along with the noise gate because noise gates don't effect tone (AKA add distortion), they even out your signal so no hiss or noise comes through. The latter should be placed in "other effects".

Hm, sorta. Actually both are attempts at recreating effects achieved by manipulating reel-to-reel tape (the word "flanging" come from a tape reel's flange) and recording in rooms with special acoustic properties such as echo chambers.

Oh, god that word tone again. Tone = the downfall of many a young man. How are you defining tone? Are you thinking in terms of pitch? If that's the case then neither do distortion pedals.--Atlantictire (talk) 18:44, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Look, it's been lovely discussing this with you, but I have to go to work. I guess I'm just saying those categories were arrived at after many years of discussion, so you might want to propose changing them on the talk page before you make an executive decision to change them.--Atlantictire (talk) 18:50, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I see you've gone ahead and made changes. If you revert your edits a third time without first opening the issue for discussion on the talk page I will report you for editing warring, which can result in your being banned from working on the page.--Atlantictire (talk) 18:58, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Then give me the link to whoever the village elder is around here. Just so you know the NPOV policy on this website is buttfuck gay and doublespeaks itself on many levels while your being pompous-o-mighty. This blog-disguised-as-encyclopedia is practically run by online warlords.

Since you are not replying, I'll take it as my point has been proven.

That would not be wise.

As I have said, those categories were agreed upon after much discussion over many years. If you think they ought to be changed, you may open the matter for discussion on the talk page. Talk:Effects unit.--Atlantictire (talk) 10:54, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

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Tremolo is tricky

Ah... so tremolo is tricky. Here's why: modern devices with transistors produce tremolo by generating something called a "carrier wave" or "carrier signal" that is mixed or "modulated" with the instrument's audio signal. The carrier signal is a sub-audible frequency and differs from the tone signal in amplitude. However, older devices--such as vintage amplifiers--certainly didn't have transistors so I'm not sure how they produced tremolo. Those older tremolo units are still very much sought after so so you think you could find out what's up with their circuitry? If a carrier wave is somehow involved we might be able to move it to modulation.--Atlantictire (talk) 15:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

But I see you have already moved it to modulation. I thought some older amp models come with a built-in tremolo? Whathitz (talk) 08:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

yeah, didnt I say thar? Do you know anything about the circuitry?--Atlantictire (talk) 10:13, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Well no but you could unassemble a Twin Reverb. Whathitz (talk) 15:17, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Should "microphone preamp" be changed to simply preamplifier? Would make more sense you know. Whathitz (talk) 15:24, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Ebow

Ebow is an effects unit. So is Guitar Resonator, Big Muff Pi, Small Clone. None of these things are bolded precisely because they are units and not categories. Pitch, distortion, etc. are not UNITS but rather categories. See talk page.--Atlantictire (talk) 17:46, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Note to self

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Administrators#Help_moving_a_page.21

Pitch shift-fixed=harmonizer/whammy

Pitch shift-variable/no clean blend=vibrato

Pitch shift-variable/clean blend/short delay=flange

Pitch shift-variable/clean blend/long delay=chorus/doubler

Phase shift/notch filters=phase, uni-vibe (just different implementations)

Volume change-variable-tremolo

Ring Mod=pretty much its own thing, not related to the above

Filter/fixed=eq

Filter Resonant=LPF/HPF etc

Filter/resonant/variable: autowah, wah, talkbox

Fender

Gibson

Rickenbacker

GRETSCH

Fender

Marshall

HIWATT

VOX

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You have removed the article deletion I proposed, however no reasons were provided per in the edit summary or on the talk page for the deletion. Would you like to help me understand why you feel this meets WP guidelines? I plan to submit this article to AfD. Kilmer-san (talk) 19:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

This article makes a good reference to the products that BOSS have produced and discontinued over the years. And besides, are pages like these any more or less relevant?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ibanez_products

therewillbehotcake (talk) 20:47, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

That's a good point. Similar lists should be considered for deletion, too. Kilmer-san (talk) 20:49, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Well all I know is that the DigiTech page has been nominated for deletion, and it's laid out pretty similarly to the BOSS product page too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digitech

therewillbehotcake (talk) 20:50, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Yep, well I have to admit I was the originator of that deletion request, also. Actually, I'm a guitar player, and think these effects are as neat as the next guy. But in browsing the effects articles, I noticed a pattern of lists with no encyclopedic basis - that is, the individual effects are not individually discussed in reputable third-party secondary sources, per WP:SOURCE. This sort of info isappropriate forprivate blog, but not WP. Kilmer-san (talk) 21:15, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

So which ones do you plan to rid of, exactly? therewillbehotcake (talk) 05:38, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Any with lists like this. Kilmer-san (talk) 16:25, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Kk, go ahead with JUST the list ones. therewillbehotcake (talk) 16:59, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: List of Ibanez products

Hello Therewillbehotcake. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of List of Ibanez products, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Author has not requested deletion, or other users have added substantial content. Thank you. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 12:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Not Encyclopedic

This is a product description from a catalog rather than an electrical or acoustic explanation of the effects: Filter and synthesizer effects:' Pedals such as the MF-105 moogerfooger MURF provide multiple filters and envelope control knobs to control modulation. The MF-107 FreqBox uses the input signal to modulate an internal VCO oscillator.

Also, how is a filter effect a modulation effect?

If you added any pedals go ahead and re-add them. It would have been too much work to clean up the mess made over the past week mistake by mistake so I just cleared all the edits.--Atlantictire (talk) 09:11, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

FINALLY. Where ya been the whole time? I thought you were dead (no offense)! therewillbehotcake (talk) 17:27, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Just busy with other things. :)--Atlantictire (talk) 16:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Shin-ei Companion FY-2

Hello Therewillbehotcake. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Shin-ei Companion FY-2, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Author has not requested deletion, or other users have added substantial content. Thank you. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 23:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Message boards

I lurk a few every now and then. Without disclosing too much about my offline identity, I mostly post to one of the more active studio-centric message boards. Mostly about bands, almost never about gear.

As for why I go MIA, I'm just doing other things. :)--Atlantictire (talk) 16:55, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

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