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Peaceray (talk) 17:15, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Alice Springs Airport

Hi there. I saw your edit [[1]]. Just letting you know that Qantaslink still serve Darwin-Alice Springs daily. Some Adelaide flights are also operated by Qantaslink (Alliance). You can verify this on their booking website. Not sure why you deleted the Darwin-Alice Service and Qantaslink from the list of Airlines and Destinations, but I have corrected this. Dfadden (talk) 13:51, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for noticing this, the Darwin removal was a mistake. On the Adelaide service: for all intents and purposes, the airlines Qantas and QantasLink are one and the same. Qantaslink and Qantas share an IATA callsign; only Qantas has an Air Operator Certificate; they share the same website; Qantas flights are advertised as QantasLink flights and vice versa; often the planes themselves will have the wrong liveries by brand; their routes overlap a lot; I could go on. I'm from Rockhampton, where the only airlines that flew there when I lived there were QantasLink and Virgin Australia Regional Airlines. Anyone there would never say they're flying QantasLink or Virgin Australia Regional; they would call them Qantas or Virgin, because that's what they really are at their core. Also, on the Rockhampton Airport article and many others, there is confusion and one or both of the major airlines are technically listed wrong. My point is that although these two airlines are technically different, I think it should be considered whether they are seperated or not in the destinations section, or even if they should have seperate articles. The same goes for Virgin Australia Regional. ThumperOP (talk) 14:53, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@Dfadden ThumperOP (talk) 14:53, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Its incorrect to state that Qantas and Qantaslink are the same though. They are operated by different companies, and they absolutely do have different AOCs, use different aircraft, hire their own crews and have separate training, safety, maintenance and operational oversight. They do use the Qantas booking system, which is why they use "QF" flight number prefix. Here in Canberra for example, we have "QantasLink" services operated by Eastern Australia Airlines, Sunstate Airlines, National Jet Systems and Alliance Airlines. If you listen to Air Traffic Control, you will hear they have different callsigns too! For marketing purposes, when Qantas subcontracts its flying to regional partners, they are branded as Qantaslink flights. This distinguishes they are not actually operated by Qantas, but allows customers to immediately recognise the association.

Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports/page content explains that these arrangements should be included in the destination list under the brand the flights are marketed under. Again, there is a long-standing precedent on Wikipedia that Qantas and Qantaslink are separate brands and indeed when you are on board they will always refer to it as a "Qantaslink" flight.

If you have a look at an article such as Savannah/Hilton Head International Airport, it's common practice elsewhere in the world too - American and American Eagle are not the same carrier. Nor are Delta and Delta Connection or United and United Express. These regional airlines are all made up of different entities that run services on behalf of the mainline carrier under a regional brand.

If you think there is a case to merge the Qantaslink services under "Qantas" on the destination lists, I'd encourage you to start a discussion at WP:AVIATION and seek a consensus from other editors who are interested in aviation! Dfadden (talk) 22:03, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the context. The destination sections of airport articles and the airline articles themselves, in Australia, are in a bit of a sorry state. Giving them a tidyup is one of my goals, but some clarification on the terminology is much appreciated. I'll look into starting a discussion about either more clearly separating or consolidating the destination lists, as like I said many articles consider them the same airline or have flights listed wrong. ThumperOP (talk) 04:01, 29 April 2023 (UTC)