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ZX Spectrum references

Hi Thumperwad, I am contacting you because I can see that you have a large number of edits on the ZX Spectrum article, and so I am hoping you can either provide insight here or at least point me to someone who might. My question concerns which of the various source materials covering the ZX Spectrum are the most respected and otherwise notable. I've been engaged in a recent series of conversations where the argument has been advanced that there is over-coverage of the Spectrum version of some games. I'm opposed to the wholescale blanking of Spectrum version scores, but as per WP:DUE, the over-coverage argument is not without merit. The articles concerned here use the following Spectrum sources:

• ACE
• Computer and Video Games
• Computer Gamer
• CRASH
• Sinclair User
• The Games Machine
• Your Computer
• Your Sinclair

Can you tell me which of these are the most industry-respected and notable publications? And if not, do you know who would have an opinion on this? If you have no idea then I'll post at WP:VG/S. Thank you. -Thibbs (talk) 14:41, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Speaking only from my own experience buying the things over twenty years ago, C&VG is the most reliable of the lot (it was the best-selling gamer mag in the UK for years), while ACE, CRASH, Sinclair User and Your Sinclair were probably the best-known specialist mags. I'd drop a note at WP:VG/S anyway. For what it's worth, until the 90s the Spectrum port was often the highest-selling in a given market owing to its ubiquity (at least in the UK), and user:Asmpgmr's characterisation of it as an "obscure system" indicates the limitations to his understanding of the video games market of the 1980s. He should certainly be warned not to continue summarily removing sourced information on arcade game ports from their articles unless a consensus is reached to do so. WP:DUE does not mandate that we either include reviews for every platform or for none of them: it simply means that we should not go over-the-top in emphasising a given platform's importance. A couple of review links and a short summary is perfectly acceptable coverage. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:53, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

OK, that helps quite a bit. Thanks. I've posted basically the same question to WP:VG/S now here.

As far as Asmpgmr is concerned, he's apparently taken our guideline-based disagreement really to heart and he's ordered me not to communicate with him. I find it extremely childish, but I'm not interested in antagonizing him or driving him away because I think he has the potential to be a real asset here if only he can learn to collaborate with his peers. And as he appears to be rejecting everything I say without even considering it (he blanks every message I leave on his talk and he seems to be ignoring the ongoing community discussion), I don't think my words would have any effect on him at all anyway.

Depending on how the discussion at WT:VG goes, I do think I may try to restore some of the material Asmpgmr blanked, but I hope that restoring only part of the coverage should show him that I am not trying to undermine the articles. Hopefully he'll have cooled down a little by then. If not then I guess he should be given a warning. I intend to shift the other less-notable RS-based Spectrum coverage to the articles' talk pages so that they can be added later if need be. Anyway thanks again for your help. -Thibbs (talk) 17:21, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

He's a new editor, and from what I've seen of his posts he's got the fairly common new-user attitude that he should be able to pull rank based on professed personal experience. That doesn't excuse his attitude towards you (which you weathered wonderfully, by the way), and it's unlikely to earn him favours elsewhere either. If you need any more help with this, let me know. Cheers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:38, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

USB flash drive - copyedit

Hi. Could you be a bit more explicit on the problems with this article. I'm happy do give it a bit of a cleanup but would appreciate knowing what bits stand out to you as problems ( from somebody new to the article ) - SimonLyall (talk) 07:19, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

It's full of the sort of basic problems inherent to Wikipedia articles, such as a lack of coherent structure, an overemphasis on controversy and trivia, and a great deal of redundancy. I'm going to try to work on this myself, but there's a great deal to be done here. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 07:28, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Sticky-shed syndrome

An article that you have been involved in editing, Sticky-shed syndrome, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Popsup (talk) 21:54, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Error analysis for the Global Positioning System

Thumperward, encyclopedic means "covering a wide range of knowledge; comprehensive". What specific new topics do you think should be added when you say it should be more encyclopedic? Can you give any specific example of where it reads like a personal reflection? I don't have the vaguest idea, what you are talking about when you make this assertion. RHB100 (talk) 00:08, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

There are huge swathes of content in that article which do not have attached citations, and for any subject titled "analysis of X" this leads one to believe that said content is the personal opinion of the author. The article has a lot of problems right now. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 00:10, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Navbox WesternBuddhism

Hi. Could you take a look at template:Navbox WesternBuddhism? The VTE redirects to Navbox Western Buddhism. Greetings, Joshua Jonathan (talk) 03:25, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Fixed by moving the template to that title. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:31, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Joshua Jonathan (talk) 11:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Map of top 25 countries in FIFA

What do you think of my third suggestion? --Dweller (talk) 13:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Pretty much the same as "date them", which was my approach. I don't think this is as big a deal as it's being made out to be to be honest. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:53, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

You could be right. I just like consensus... :-) --Dweller (talk) 14:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Soetermans#Diablo III plot reverts

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Template:Ocean habitat topics

Would you please tweak Template:Ocean habitat topics so there is some white space (a gutter) between the colours on the left and the article titles. Thanks. --Epipelagic (talk) 10:33, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Done. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:42, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. --Epipelagic (talk) 10:45, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

template:sclass, no, sclass2, no, sclass-

Hi. Could you look at these and think about combining them?

• {{sclass}}
• {{sclass2}}
• {{sclass-}}

• Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 October 10#Template:Sclass-
• template talk:sclass2 has an {{edit protected}} request to add the tfd tag... tks, Br'er Rabbit (talk) 18:53, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Whoops, missed this. That said, I'm maybe not the right person for the job simply because it seems astonishingly disinteresting. I'll try and give it a poke if I can't sleep, though. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:04, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

some /caffeine/ for you ;> Br'er Rabbit (talk) 00:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

ArticleHistory

Please do not make undiscussed moves of this template. Please restore the prior template naming. Gimmetoo (talk) 11:59, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Fixing improper capitalisation in a template shouldn't be at all controversial. Why? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:35, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

You made an undiscussed move. Are you or are you not going to undo your undiscussed move? Gimmetoo (talk) 12:48, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Discussing moves in advance, like most processes on Wikipedia, is optional. Are you or aren't you going to give me a reason? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:50, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

AS I must AGF that you performed due diligence prior to your undiscussed move, you already know that answer. Restore the status quo ante. Gimmetoo (talk) 12:53, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Stop playing games. If there is a reason, spit it out. If there is not a reason, and you are waving about some presumed social status that I neither know nor care about, then you know full well that even unprivileged accounts can move pages over redirects and thus you can undo it yourself. If you choose to go down that route, then you can stop bugging me with passive-aggressive orders. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:01, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Stop playing games yourself. I am not able to move that page with this account. There have been at least two prior move requests, the last resulting in clear consensus against moving. Your move is counter-consensus. Even if you disagree, there is prior history, and as soon as you had an objection, you should have restored the status quo ante. This is the last time I will ask, and I expect a clear yes or no answer: will you move the page back to the status quo ante? Gimmetoo (talk) 13:05, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

There: that wasn't so hard, was it? Have we learned a lesson in basic interaction with our peers today? I've moved it back: this was actually beneficial, as it finally prompted me to clean up the double redirects which littered the sub-pages' history. I'll now jump through the hoop which is the page move request, which I expect will be bursting with well-reasoned arguments for keeping CamelCase. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

This is typical gimme shite; he does it all the time. And the name /is/ wrong. I've not looked at where this went to, but teh Merry Eight Ball sez it belongs at {{article history}}, which I'll be supporting. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 16:03, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Add

Hello Thumperward, Could you please add "num_employees" in the Template:Infobox airline at the bottom, because I'm not an admin therefor i can't edit that page. Make sure it looks like Template:Infobox company. Thanks--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 14:57, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

In {{infobox company}} the employee count appears further up the template. Can you suggest where this line would be best positioned? It wouldn't be right at the very bottom. Just let me know where to put it and I'll update the template. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 15:00, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I think it should be under "equity" para.--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 14:55, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Please don't forget to add.--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 14:38, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done; please update the documentation. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:05, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but slight error no need to put as "Number of Employees", simply put "Employees", see Microsoft as eg, pls fix that. Otherwise thank you very much.--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 14:01, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Done. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:03, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks.--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 04:55, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Horizontal TOC

any idea on how to fix problems like this? I tried switching to Horizontal TOC, but apparently that is an unacceptable solution. Frietjes (talk) 17:21, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

There's no need for per-year headings in that article. Collapsing the sections into per-decade will obviate the need for a weird custom ToC. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:24, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

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your comment

fyi, your comment was removed citing npa. how this is a pa, I cannot imagine. Frietjes (talk) 19:19, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Just a misunderstanding. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:52, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Clue award

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Infobox question

Howdy Chris. Normally I'd ask Br'er Rabbit about this, but, well...

I hear you're an infobox guru. Do you think M Network could use one? 28bytes (talk) 22:00, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Rarely hurts. {{Infobox company}} would be the best match. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:05, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll take a look at that one. 28bytes (talk) 17:53, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

About Template

Hi Thumperward, Since your are an experience editor, could you please help me figure-out a strange problem. In the Template:Finance links you would see an Eg. of a company, their if u click the "Hoover's" link you would find nothing except it says "Page Not Found". Something is wrong either we modify the url or "hoover" has to be replaced by other. Pls check that and reply me soon. Thanks--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 06:05, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Hoover's have changed their website: this means that all of the current links will be invalid. For instance, the page on US Robotics (per the example on {{finance links/doc}} is now located at this address. To be quite honest, the new page doesn't really provide enough information to bother having such links at all, and we should probably simply remove support for Hoover's from {{finance links}} entirely. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:21, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

I completely agree with you hoovers has to be removed, instead replace it with either Bloomberg Businessweek or MSN Money, but don't leave it blank.

Another thing i would like know could pls find Google's Financial Statements from this particular link.--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 05:29, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking me. I'm really not the person to ask regarding how to read financial data, I'm afraid. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:11, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I didn't ask you you "how to read financial data" all I had asked whether or not the URL publishes the financial statements of a company or not. Since I'm unable to locate the "financial statements" of a company from the website. Anyway leave it.

Have you replaced the hoovers link, and pls put Bloomberg Businessweek or MSN Money in the template.Thanks--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 14:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Please take this to the template talk page or to WP:VP/T. I'm sure you'll be able to find another editor who will happily come up with the required code. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:47, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

FAR of Microsoft Security Essentials

Hello, Chris

As a party involved in the 2nd WP:FAC of Microsoft Security Essentials, you might be willing to participate in Wikipedia:Featured article review/Microsoft Security Essentials/archive1.

Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 08:01, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure that every individual dispute regarding an FA's content demands that it be taken to FAR. The user in question could, and should, simply have proposed changes to the article which would address his perception that it was unduly favourable. FWIW I believe he has some degree of a point regarding the lack of less favourable review material in the article, but it's nowhere near serious enough to warrant delisting. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:19, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Alexander Orlov

• See Talk:Aleksandr Orlov (advertising)#Merge request. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:26, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm watching it. Your argument is bogus (a comparison to a random other cruft-magnet), and I'm sure I've asked you not to impose your "everything has bullets" idiosyncrasy on my comments before. You're at liberty to do it on your own talk, but please don't reformat others' comments elsewhere like that. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 22:31, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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Oops

Most humble apologies for this[1] - thanks for catching my mistake! Where should I play from now on? I've recently sworn off the drama (so many talk pages now un-stalked, including...), but AN/I is my most toughest one to give up! I'll try to do better and avoid inputting there, and thanks for putting me back in my place. Cheers, Thumperward :> Doc talk 10:38, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Template:Navbox

Hello.

I saw there were a few changes to Template:Navbox today. Are they in anyway related to the double parentheses that now occur in Template:Kingdom of Great Britain, do you think?

Regards

HandsomeFella (talk) 16:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

They are. Gadget850 has fixed the template. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 19:41, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Infobox sportsperson biography

FYI, a fork of template:Infobox sportsperson ... 22:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Template:AFI

Hello. I am an IP who helps with unstandardized templates. My edit to {{AFI}} was reverted by the creator (and the creator of the proposal it links to). Could you revert him please? 96.50.22.205 (talk) 16:00, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Not a great move by Hahc21, but your first port of call when disagreeing with it should be to take it to his talk page, rather than asking a random admin to revert it by proxy. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:44, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Snowball keep

Hello, Thumper. Just letting you know that I snowball kept {{Strawman}}. Add it to pages that need it, please. Anna|talk 20:19, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

What on Earth are you doing? Reopen it again, please. That's an astonishingly wrong close, and if that's indicative of your general attitude to NACs then you shouldn't be doing them at all. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 22:38, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Anna, that looks a bad decision to me too. I think you're thoroughly misunderstanding WP:SNOW. --Dweller (talk) 23:14, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes reopen. The value in keeping this was not discussed. The snow is falling pretty fast here. How does an editor with less than 400 edits have the authority to do this? Sw2nd (talk) 04:29, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Having slept on it, I've reverted the non-admin closure. --Dweller (talk) 10:32, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Gracias. I'm still deeply curious as to the thought process which led AnnaHendren to conclude that ambox templates are inherently non-deleteable. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:37, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Villiage Pump Technical

The item I opened at Villiage Pump Technical was in order to get the problem with my computer settings straightened out. It was not in support or in contest with whether there should be or not be chess icon glyphs in chess piece articles on Wikipedia. It was a technical issue with my computer settings that I was trying to solve. You came there after the technical problem was solved with comments of an evaluative nature that had nothing to do with the thread. I have no interest in your opinions or grievances. So why don't you take them up with someone who cares? And leave me alone with your rants and insults, I want nothing to do with you. (Ok, Chris?) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 02:29, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

See how I removed it ten minutes after posting it, and two hours before you posted here? That was a diplomatic effort to head off being flamed. Sheesh. If and when I take another crack at fixing the accessibility issues with our chess articles, which has given me nothing but grief by the way, I'll be sure not to involve you. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 08:37, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

You leave a reply that expresses your feedback. Then you delete it, so, it doesn't count. Yeah right! (So, if I call you a bunch of names here, then decide 10 minutes later to remove them, it equally "doesn't count"? Makes a lot of sense to me!)

I really appreciate, Chris, to NEVER HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN. Thank you so much. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 08:58, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

p.s. Regarding your "grief", if could care less. (Or, "I couldn't care less", for Britishers.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 09:01, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I can't un-say things, but I can certainly retract them, and that's what's happened here. The reason I did so was because I didn't want a general comment on VPT to turn into a personal conflict. But so much for that. Seeing as I didn't actually contact you (VPT is an open forum, and my comment wasn't even addressed at you in the first place), I'm not sure what you're asking for me not to do so again for, but I won't let it interfere with my passing general commentary on open forums like VPT in any case (though feel free to ignore me, as I likely will you). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:56, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Precious

	lack of barnstars
	Thank you for quality gnomish work on templates (even I came to you use), including moves, for your better "purpose here as collecting trophies", and for recognizing delicious projection and a good chuckle], - you are an awesome Wikipedian! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

'tis the season

adding treats ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 31 October 2012 (UTC)