User talk:TodorBozhinov/Archive 2

Bessarabian Bulgarians and Gagauzia

You didnt write nothing about them in Soviet times and about Bulgarians and Gagauz movement. Do you use any messenger:)? Regards:)! Luka Jačov 19:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok I prefer ICQ just type, my nick is Luđo. C ya:)! Luka Jačov 19:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Voting is evil

You recently made a few edits to the Deletion review page. I'm not sure how much experience you've had yet with the kinds of decisions which are addressed on that page. You should know that votes with no comments or rationale to back them up are routinely ignored when the final decision is made. We welcome experienced editors with facts or evidence to contribute to the discussions but it can't be emphasized enough that we are discussing the issue, not voting. Rossami (talk) 21:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello! I came here to say exactly that. I say this as a very-frequent closer of DRv and AfD debates:To have your voice heard, you have to use it a little bit more. - brenneman^{L} 03:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

All right, I'm sorry to have taken part. By voting undelete I implied I agree with the undelete votes cast until that moment, but I admit I shouldn't have taken this for implicit. It's important to note that while looking through Deletion review, I saw many plain votes without any or much explanation. I also did not find any explicit specification that I have to explain my decision (in most the cases, just to write as above or a senseless single line telling what was already said, but in another way, like most people do), so I don't really understand that routine ignoration of votes, more precisely the way it's carried out. Yes, I know sockpuppets are an important issue, but this simply is not the way, I believe, guys. That said, I won't be taking part in any further Deletion review discussions, if my actions arouse this much discontent really. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 10:58, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

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Please have a look at your commons page ---gildemax 10:39, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Churches in Antarctica

Hi!

Apologies for my belated response. The Russian church is not the southernmost one in Antarctica, and one doesn't need to go far away for evidence; in fact the nearest other church in the Chilean settlement of Villa Las Estrellas just few hundred meters away is to the southwest i.e. more to the south. You may consult the SCAR King George Island mapviewer at

http://www.kgis.scar.org/mapviewer/kgis.phtml

by magnifying the map fragment centred at the southwest extremity of the island, then you may see a detailed scheme of the buildings in the area; the Russian are those to the northeast, with the Chilean settlement to the southwest.

Nevertheless, the Russian church seems very nice, well built and complete with all the appropriate facilities. The Bulgarian Chritian Orthodox edifice is further to the south of course, but it is just a chapel not church. Hope this helps. Apcbg 16:47, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

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Vojvodina census

Well, you cannot find this census data for settlements on Internet. I buy that book with census data in Belgrade. The book is very good, since it cointain 2002 census data about population of every town and village in Serbia. Regarding Jaša Tomić, the population of that settlement in 2002 was 2,982, and there were 29 ethnic Bulgarians there. I do not have any specific information about Banat Bulgarians, but if you want to know how many Bulgarians is there in any other village in Serbia, you can ask me . PANONIAN (talk) 15:40, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

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Well, you found these places on this map, right?

• http://knigite.abv.bg/banat/banat.html

The village of Đurđevo shown there is not the present Đurđevo in Bačka. Another village with this name existed in Banat near Kovin. That village was resetled and its population moved to Skorenovac and Ivanovo. You can read more about this here:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skorenovac#History

The village of Kanak seems to be the same village as Konak in the Sečanj municipality and in 2002 there were 73 Bulgarians there. I do not know what Starilec might be, I guess it could be Starčevo in the Pančevo municipality. In 2002, there were 27 Bulgarians in Starčevo. PANONIAN (talk) 01:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

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Sorry, in fact I do not think that Starilec is Starčevo, since there is a village named Stari Lec in the Plandište municipality. In 2002 there were 9 Bulgarians in Stari Lec. PANONIAN (talk) 11:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

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Ethnic cleansing of Turks in Bulgaria?

I would welcome your comments to these edits. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 11:34, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

OK, благодаря. I guess I fell into the trap of believing that the differences between Macedonian and Bulgarian are negligible :-) Telex 18:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Jerma/Erma

Hello Todor, I hope you think our first collaboration went well :o) Sorry about the Bulgarian names, I thought that you, like in Serbian language since the 1990's, switched to litteral instead of descriptive spelling...but since you don't have Bulgarian Latin writing, I confused it with Serbian :o) (j=y=j, ч=č=ch, ш=š=sh, etc). Just a suggestion, for Bulgarian geography names that don't have a link (article of their own), you might add original Cyrillic writing PajaBG 22:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info and help. I have another question: if I move some article (I plan to move Morava rivers, Serbia to Velika Morava cause I will add articles on all three rivers (I only need to do that for Zapadna Morava now), will all links to Morava rivers automatically redirect to Velika Morava? There are links in many articles and I don't want to mess all that has been done by others already.

And about the collaboration...when I do articles on Temska-Visočica and Dragovštica I'll let you know to check them. BTW, how exactlly do you call and spell in Bulgarian Visočica and Dragovštica? Thanks. PajaBG 18:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I will check and use them and let you know when it happens. You didn't tell me what happens with links if I use Move feature? А пошто ти на страници пише да знаш основе српског, можемо и тако. А ако ти е така полесно, можеме и македонски да пишуваме ;o) PajaBG 23:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, here it is Temštica. Guess we will have to stick with English since my Bulgarian begins and stops with songs I have a chance to hear (Azis and company) :o) PajaBG 23:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about Serbian Latin...the best map I have (and use) is actually Croatian, but Bulgarian names are written in Serbian Latin in it, so I make a mistake. Bratkova strana is in Serbia and the tip of the Gola glava is in Bulgaria. We also use small caps for second word (unless its the name of a settlement) but some people changed that here in both capital letters so I thought that's the way it should be in English. The reason I didn't use dual names form Midzor and Vidlic is that I've been told not to use dual names for links (cause the article would have them...). You guys copyediting here have different tastes :o) someone edited my Velika Morava article from it's to its. I have done Sava then with its and someone changed all of them into it's. I've done Drina then with it's and someone changed all of them into its...Also some edit years to be link, some remove them saying that shouldn't be...:o) We have several music channels and they play Bulgarian music...Azis, Gergana, Spasitelkite, Malina, Glorija...I guessed you don't listen to that music :o) But that's the only I have a chance to hear PajaBG 06:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello. Can you tell me how to change category Rivers of Serbia and Montenegro to Rivers of Serbia? PajaBG 17:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, I created the category. I will not remove the old one, since I didn't created it either. Not really much to wait for as Category:Lakes and Rivers of Montenegro already existed. PajaBG 00:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

A question

Hi, I wanted to ask you something. My grandfather's family is from Sofia and they told me one of our greatgrandfathers had made build a fountain (sebil/çeşme) in Sofia. Do you by change saw or heard about a Turkish/Ottoman fountain like that? --Gokhan 17:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the feedback. I also think like you, probably no information will surface. Anyway, thanks. --Gokhan 17:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

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Bulgaria World Heritage Sites template

Hi! I would just like to know if it's all right for you to edit/reformat the template, so it will conform to the format of other World Heritage templates (refer to Template:World Heritage Sites in Peru, for example, you may also check Australia, [[Brazil, China, France... Joey80 08:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I'm using Explorer so I didn't notice it. Anyway, if you need any help, then I'll gladly edit the template for you. Thanks very much!Joey80 08:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Is it repeated?

If you can help with this; to me it seems there is a text under History of Ottoman Bulgaria, and National awakening of Bulgaria which repeats itself. I know that National awakening is a theme that repeats under Bulgaria, Romania, Greece (indepenance) and is a special section for every Balkan state. Which History of the balkans covers it under the national awakening. I would appreciate if you help me out if the text under History of Ottoman Bulgaria should be kept. Just to prevent douple content issues. And I'm thinking of creating a template to link all these articles to history of balkans. Thanks for everything.--OttomanReference 01:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your response; I hear you. The content (under) "National awakening" is a substential field of study for the balkans. I had no time to concentrate on it, but I can count two main referance books, in english, that covers only balkan peninsula. Turkish historians also extends it to east nations. As you said; that gives a set of articles for Bulgarian revival, which the article you mention could be uprisal and liberation. Greece has both Ottoman period and independance seperated in a very good structure. I recognize that this gives a better organization for discussions on their talk page. I think you should not worry about ottoman period being to short because if you leave the article it will be filled (within time) with more than three centries of coexistance. I know I will add as I go along if the structure exits. I will help to create a menu that will link three (national-cultural-?) articles. If I could not covered my point clear enough please inform me. I do belive (strongly), if someone who knows the bulgarian side, we can reach a structure that can be easily extended and will be very constrictive to balkan history, ottoman history and for the readers.--OttomanReference 12:48, 17 May 2006 (UTC) ps: for your remark on adding text; I did not add any text. Just copy and paste.

Hope you like the Ottoman Bulgaria. The structure is same as ottoman greek. I guess, we can fill Bulgarian information. Thanks for your patience.--OttomanReference 16:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I see, you reverted the ottoman bulgaria. That is fine with me. I was hoping you would like to go with more NPOV structure as 400 years of that history is also a Bulgarian history too. Ottoman resources tells good things about that period, but I guess your national sprith is do not have any peace with it yet, except recognizing the negative side. However I would like to thank you for your cooperation, and for later improvements we have to wait for the next generation. --OttomanReference 15:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to build some slots that can be easily improved. Such that; if you look at reverted section, you will see an administration sub title that tells administrative region, religious organization, taxation. I wish you would have kept that section intact and add your history section onder "ottoman rule". if you do notlike that "ootoman rule" you can keep the title "ottoman oppression", I do not care, but it would be nice to have the administrative sub structure for my perspective. Thanks --OttomanReference 16:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Ottoman Rule
Fill ass you like

Oppression

Fill as you like

Independence

You have written a summary; copy that section.

Governing Structure

Ottomans divided Bulgarian administration into structures, and assigned religious, military and administrative people.

Administrative

For details of : State Organization

The Ottomans reorganised the Bulgarian territories as the Beyerlik of Rumili, ruled by a Beylerbey at Sofia. This territory, which included Moesia, Thrace and Macedonia, was divided into several sanjaks, each ruled by a Sanjakbey accountable to the Beylerbey. Significant part of the conquered land was parcelled out to the Sultan's followers, who held it as feudal fiefs (small timars, medium ziyamet and large hases) directly from him. That category of land could not be sold or inherited, but reverted to the Sultan when the fiefholder died. The rest of the lands were organized as private possessions of the Sultan or Ottoman nobility, called "mülk", and also as economic base for religious foundations, called "vakιf".

Taxation

Bulgarians gave multiple regularly paid taxes as a tithe ("yushur"), a capitation tax ("dzhizie"), a land tax ("ispench"), a levy on commerce and so on and also various group of irregularly collected taxes, products and corvees ("avariz").

Religion

Further information: Millet (Ottoman Empire)

The Sultan regarded the Ecumenical Patriarch of the Constanstinople Patriarchate as the leader of the Christian peoples of his empire. The independent Bulgarian Patriarchate was suppressed, and the Patriarch of Constantinople given control of the Bulgarian Church. The autonomous Ochrid Archbishopric was abolished in 1767. This remained a source of discontent throughout the Ottoman period. Since few outside the church were literate, the dominance of the Greek clergy led to the decline of Bulgarian elite culture. There was not a single pure Bulgarian-language modern school in the country until 1835.

Гърците

Thanks for the "minor correction" :-) --Telex 17:23, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Pomaks

Hi Todor. I also have a considerable interest for the argument, so decided to subject the article to a complete reconstruction, building a fully sourced article, using new material, added with material from both Pomaks and Muslim Bulgarians. So please don't proceed for now to the complete merge. As for the title, I'm afraid I have to insist on Pomaks; Muslim Bulgarians I project to make a redirect, as they can't obviously both stand. Wikipedia is not here to change perceptions, and if the Encyclopedia of Islam uses "Pomaks", as do the overwhelming majority of scholarship work, so shall I.--Aldux 21:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about Bulgaria, but in Greece, the only term used is "Pomaks" and their language is even called the "Pomak language". --Telex 21:37, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, "Pomaks" is the name you'd most often hear used by the ordinary people in Bulgaria, but "Muslim Bulgarians" and its variations are preferred in more formal situations. Greece has promoted a separate Pomak identity and language, so it's not surprising. Bulgaria, on the other hand, naturally persists in pointing out they are Bulgarians. It's a matter of politics, as both names are actually to a large extent exonyms (at least in Bulgaria). → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 21:45, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Todor, I greatly appreciate your constructive attitude. As for the system, maybe the scientific would be best; but you know this better than me so chose the one you prefer. The gol is to build a really good article. And thanks for your corrrection. Ciao!--Aldux 22:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

As for the question of identity, it is, as we shall see, quite a complex argument, with little clearcut, in all the three interested countries.--Aldux 22:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Early delivery...

...visit the shop...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 18:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

...again...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 19:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Userbox

Until recently, I thought I had the most outrageous userbox on the Macedonian issue. It seems your BG-FYROM one really takes the cake though ;-) --Telex 00:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

haha

a federation?? haha it gets more insane everyday. --Makedonia 00:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

You know, the world is full of such "Macedonian" examples. There is Moldova, which was separated from Romania by the Soviet Union, there is Cyprus which was separated from Greece by Turkey, there is Republika Srpska which is separated from Serbia by NATO, there is Kosovo which was separated from Albania by Yugoslavia, and finally we have the Republic of Macedonia, which was separated from Bulgaria by Yugoslavia. --Telex 14:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I read somewhere that the likelihood of two states with the same ethnicity to merge into one is proportional to the ratio of their common border to the length of the border of the smaller one. For Moldova and Romania that is 450/1,389 = 32%. For the Republic and Bulgaria = 148/748 = 20%, For Kosovo and Albania = 114/~450 = ~25%, and Republica Srpska and Serbia: 312/2170 = 14%  /FunkyFly.talk_   20:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

That's curious :) But now, I don't think there's another way to estimate the likelihood so we could check! Todor Bozhinov  → 09:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

What about Greece and Cyprus? --Telex 09:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Well that formula does not work for islands. It can estimate for North Cyprus and Greek Cyprus.  /FunkyFly.talk_   15:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

How about Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh? --Telex 15:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

That's a very complicated situation, like an island. Btw East germany to West Germany: 1381/~2157 = ~64%  /FunkyFly.talk_   15:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Магистрала Тракия

Картата, която си сложил на страницата за магистрала Tракия е стара и неточна (знам, понеже аз съм я правил :-) Затова преди няколко дни се заех да направя нова карта, която незнайно защо ти реши, че трябва да бъде сменена. Същото важи и за статията на английски. Ще върна промените, които си направил. Ако имаш нещо против, или ако имаш някакви доводи срещу използването на новата карта - пиши в беседата. --cassini83 18:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

High Serbia

Hello Toše :o) The highest point of Serbia is the Đaravica peak (2,656 m) on Prokletije mountains in Kosovo. There are at least dozen of prominent peaks 2169-2656, but they are all on Kosovo itself or (future) border of Kosovo with Macedonia, Albania and Montenegro. When they take it completely away, yes, the Midžor will be the highest peak in Serbia PajaBG 12:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Triglav, 2,863 m. For decades we used to learn that and we all knew it. I believe that today 99% of people here have no clue what is the name of the highest peak in Serbia. PajaBG 15:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello...can I ask you for a favor? When you have enough spare time, could you please check the Drina article and do some copyediting? Thanks in advance PajaBG 07:46, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey thanks, this was fast :o) Infoboxes are fine but I don't have photos of the rivers...Btw, if it says 'basin countries' shouldn't be there all the countries in the drainage area of the river (in this case also Montenegro and Albania? I tried to aviod lots of subsections because the content menu in that case gets too long and if there is no photo, it looks ugly. And I hate definite article...I am glad we don't have it in Serbian (though we have very complicated grammar anyway). For carved, check the first line of the Grand Canyon article. Whether they say flooded for the river downstream the dam, I will have to check. And about 'the'...some people told me to use it, some told me not to use it that much cause it sounds too 'american'...the tja :o) And thanks again and I will not ask you to copyedit (all) my river articles cause you will have no time for anything else :o) Maybe just two very short things: Dobričin prsten and Žanka Stokić award.

No difference between ćuprija and most. Like you said, the former is a Turkish word, not being used often anymore. But the word survives...maybe because of the Ćuprija town. Young people don't use it unless someone older don't use it first :o) To a certain extent, ćuprija may be applied to the small bridge (and 'most' for the big one), but Pavlovića ćuprija is no small bridge. Also, it could be used as a joke, when you wish to diminish the importance or size of some bridge, call it ćuprija instead of a 'most'. PajaBG 12:45, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello. LOL...check the Drina again. PajaBG 21:34, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. You're a pal ;o) PajaBG 13:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha...

WP:AN3#User:TodorBozhinov: ha ha ha ha ha ha... I can't help myself... Hahaaa ha ha haaaaaha! Jesus! Ha ha ha! Aha ha! Ha! LMTO!! Man, I give you a free revert in case we ever engage in an edit-war (which I highly doubt). Congrats! You made my evening!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 14:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I must admit that was pretty honorable, and potentially saved him from being blocked. Still better that way than let the enemy camp get you :))  /FunkyFly.talk_   15:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Funny AND smart!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Tributaries of Danube

Hi there,

Nice work on tributaries to Danube, but I'd like you to read this... I saw you were adding new rivers to the template, and that's probably pointless because the template will get deleted as soon as we finish the List of tributaries to Danube and put all of them to the same category. If you disagree with the template being deleted, you can join the discussion on the link I provided. --Dijxtra 10:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, fine by me :-) --Dijxtra 11:01, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Location map

There is now {{Location map Bulgaria}}, and an example at Lekhchevo. I distorted the CIA map you pointed to so that it's now orthographic, i.e. the meridians are vertical, not converging at the top. I hope I calculated the extreme longitude and latituted of the map correctly. Zocky | picture popups 13:33, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

It's possible that I miscalculated the borders of the map. Making orthographic maps out of other projections this way is a bit messy in itself, so that could also be the source of problems. If you can find a map of bulgaria in which meridians are paralel and not converging, it would be great help (it needs to have longitude and latitude marked, so that I can calculate the borders). Zocky | picture popups 16:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Beograd

Hello. Can you check the List of Belgrade neighborhoods and tell me how can I make the horizontal list, but with small squares (like ones you get when you type *) instead of numbers? Or some better way of sorting it (in this case I think vertical list would be way too long to be either effective or nice looking) PajaBG 09:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I re-arranged the list. Hope it looks better now PajaBG 22:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Iskar

Thanks for adding my photo to the Iskar River article even before I could do it myself! Preslav 11:29, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I renamed Lake Pancharevo back as you suggested, but it's really a dam lake/reservoir, so it should be categorised under Category:Reservoirs and dams in Bulgaria as well. Because it's know in Sofia as Панчаревско езеро but is shown on all maps I have as яэ. Панчарево, I mentioned both. Will now start working on other Bulgarian reservoirs... Preslav 16:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)