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Hi tommy, you can email me to discuss what you need. Rich Farmbrough, 20:44, 9 August 2012 (UTC).

No sign of the email.... Rich Farmbrough, 17:44, 11 August 2012 (UTC).
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I'd also like to assist if possible - I have some time on my hands. :) As Rich said, feel free to send me an email - I would be more than happy to help! Theopolisme _TALK 20:59, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I would also be interested in assisting, depending on what you need done. My email link is enabled, or drop a msg on my talk page. DES ^(talk) 00:38, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, Thanks for all your edits related to Cam Brook, however I reverted the edit to Yeovilton as the Cam Brook which you are linking is nowhere near Yeovilton & as I put in my edit summary this must be another Cam (which doesn't have an article yet). I note you put the link back with no explanation that I could see.— Rod ^talk 20:53, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I've found it now River Cam (Somerset) & article changed.— Rod ^talk 21:00, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

It can be confusing - I've had to get my head around the River Yeos in Somerset.— Rod ^talk 21:07, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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I'm shortly going to modify your edit to Red-breasted Merganser, but I thought I should explain why so you don't think it's edit-warring. Unless your OED says something different to my Chambers, a "sawbill" is a merganser, a group of duck species, not a particular species, see also this and this Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry if I've upset you, your original edit was obviously GF, so I didn't think Twinkle was appropriate, and GF but in correct edits like yours are often drive-bys that are never revisited Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:09, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

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Nothing rude

Please allow an engineer to explain to you how it works, reminding you not to blindly revert, and to use technical-academic literature as refs, or for instance army field manuals, or demolition ref handbooks of old days, where these obsolete explosives are still explained in detail. I believe the "Nitro-Gelatin" is already mentioned in a book of 1898, which I read. 70.137.141.81 (talk) 09:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC) 70.137.141.81 (talk) 09:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, I hope you don't mind but I changed the redirect to point to the several asian hornet/wasps. Widefox; talk 15:21, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

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Tommy, you are edit warring now; two different users have reverted you; that's a sign that you need to go to the discussion board, per WP:BRD. Please revert your changes, or I will report you to the edit warring board and you will likely end up being blocked. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:30, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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Moving/Renaming pages

Hello, Tommy Pinball. Bkonrad (aka Older ≠ wiser) mentioned this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation, but it may have gotten lost in the specific discussion of NDE. In order to request that a page me renamed or moved (different labels for the same process), you can initiate a discussion on the article's talk page. Wikipedia:Requested moves describes the process. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 02:17, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I might add to this that the answer you gave a new user at the Teahouse regarding moving a page (in this case, from AfC to mainspace) was entirely incorrect. Cutting and pasting is never the proper way to move a page, as that does not keep its history intact. Since everything here is under CC-BY-SA 3.0 License and GFDL, that makes a page moved by cut and paste a copyright violation. Even though they are available to reuse, Wikipedia articles are, after a fashion, copyrighted in that to freely use them, they must be attributed. Without the edit history, the creators of the article are not getting attribution.

Do you think you helped the new user at the Teahouse by giving her incorrect information? I am at a loss as to why you are there answering questions you do not know the answer to. The purpose of the Teahouse is to welcome and help new users. You are not a new user, but you apparently are not qualified to be a Teahouse host either. There is no shame in not knowing an answer, Tommy. However it is not helpful to confuse new editors by giving them wrong answers. John from Idegon (talk) 10:36, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand.

I'm a disinterested editor echoing a complaint about behavior that strikes me as patently uncivil. I didn't raise the issue at ANI, and - as I have said a couple of times - I'm not sure it really warrants attention there at all. I am content to let the process run, or not. Why are you making this personal against me? Digging up an edit summary of mine, reverting a vandal in 2007. My goodness. JohnInDC (talk) 17:53, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the help at mark's Talk page. JohnInDC (talk) 13:40, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't detect any meaningful improvement here at all. The fellow is very unpleasant, bordering on toxic, and I'm inclined to raise the issue with other editors again to see if he can't be brought to heel just a little bit. Your thoughts? Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 19:55, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your note - I'll let you know if I post something somewhere. Happy fellow! JohnInDC (talk) 23:28, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Added another plea on his Talk page. Either he'll shape up or there will be a clear record of failed measured attempts to induce him to do it! JohnInDC (talk) 00:34, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Maybe we should be grateful that he has been confining himself to the edit summaries: Link. JohnInDC (talk) 13:02, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

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Witch-hunt

Some people dont have a sense of humour and may find this offensive, in this case a witch-hunt may happen at your expense, at which point they will build a bridge out of you. By the way thanks for your reverting. Murry1975 (talk) 18:23, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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Whoops, don't even know what happened there, heh. Corabal (talk) 20:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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Sammy

Your edit seemed like vandalism hence that I reverted it. I cannot find the observer article as well and how sammy is used in context. Also I do not see what Sammy will add to the article instead of calling him just Bin Laden. We can take it to the talk page too see if consensus can be gained. NathanWubs (talk) 21:30, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I have no defence against a block for personal attacks, but I have not engaged in Vandalism: any addition, removal, or change of content, in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. I request that the reasons for the block be amended to remove Vanadalism and the appropriate sanction for the personal attack be applied Tommy Pinball (talk) 22:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Unlike the American court system, we don't acquit due to technicalities. As you at least admit the personal attacks, there may be some hope yet. As for removing "vandalism" in your block log, that is technically impossible for any admin to do, so I haven't tried to determine if there is merit to that request. I am declining the unblock request as I don't see you presenting a clear path forward nor providing assurances the behavior won't be repeated. You are concerned about the details of the block rather than the reasons it was necessary. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:45, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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• An uninvolved admin will review your unblock request, but I believe my recent warning that you removed made it clear what I meant by vandalism: your pasting AndyTheGrump's warning back on his own page. You repeated the same action with my own warning, hence the block for vandalism. You think the personal attack (there were links for all this stuff, again, in my warning) is all you've done wrong? No. I'll amend the block reason to read "disruptive editing" in place of "vandalism" if you like, since it's true that content wasn't involved. Well, content wasn't involved provided I AGF that the "Sammy" business at Osama bin Laden wasn't a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia, which is a bit of a stretch. 48 hours is pretty lenient in any case. Don't remove this comment, please, as it contains information for the reviewing admin. Bishonen | talk 23:02, 15 May 2014 (UTC).

Hey, I don't want to cancel your ego trip; if that means "Disruptive editing"...go for it, I'm just hoping that Due process operates and the vandal accusation is amended . Tommy Pinball (talk) 23:17, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh, if you'd like due process, you might as well wait for the reviewing admin, because that is due process where blocks are concerned. I freely offered to amend the block reason merely to cheer you up, because I know being blocked is a cheerless business. If it's possible for you to indicate whether you wish me to do that or not in a single civil straightforward non-roundabout sentence, I'm still willing to. If not, wait and see if anybody else will respond well to your request. Bishonen | talk 23:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC).

I would like to believe a block log represents a true and fair record of reasons and sanctions. If no one gives a toss about that sort of thing, then I don't either. Tommy Pinball (talk) 23:54, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I might add that there is no justice at Wikipedia. We might throw around legal terms, tongue in cheek or simply because they are easy to understand, but we are not a court. It isn't about justice, it is about building an encyclopedia built on neutrality and verifiable facts. And block logs are approximations of a situation at best, the history of talk pages is more important. In the larger scheme, the blog log pales in comparison to your actual deeds. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:56, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

WP:TLDNR Tommy Pinball (talk) 00:13, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Not sure if you mean my one paragraph, or that 2/3rds of a page essay, but both are significantly shorter than most articles. If that is too long, then this might not be the right hobby for you. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

In other words, block logs just record a history of blocks, generally with a concise reason attached. That reason is not used as the sole reason for subsequent evaluations of an editor. There is no preclusive effect either. The block at issue here was simply for disruption in the end, and in that vein was rightly issued. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 01:39, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

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Nomination of Ragnar Löfstedt for deletion

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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Zubin12 (talk) 08:57, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

"GRAND ILLUSION (1938)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (1962)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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