Suggested Header

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In writing the header, I was deliberately attempting to shift the focus of the article away from attempts to prove or disprove that we are living in a simulation, and onto documenting the material written on Simulated Reality. Do you agree with this, have I achieved this, and if not, what should it say?

--TonyFleet 01:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)Reply


Suggested Structure

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I have tried to move completely away from the currently existing framework, as this places the arguments at the centre and misses all the important academic, quasi-academic and popular material related to the subject. I think that it is entirely legitimate in an article such as this to place exemplars from science fiction alongside material from academic papers, if this documents current thinking.

What is not legitimate is to use science fiction plots and wild 'original' ideas as evidence for particular arguments. If there is an argument, it must have been proposed by someone; we give their argument, and their evidence for it (if appropriate), not ours.

If you think the structure can be improved, please make suggestions.

--TonyFleet 01:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Link to Simulation Hypothesis

Simulated reality

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Hello there, I have reverted some of your edits in the above article. Although I appreciate that you are trying to clean it up, commentary should not be added to articles themselves, but rather to the talk page or people might start adding "This paragraph makes no sense." "This argument is contradictory." etc. to article main pages, which is not how an encyclopaedia should look. If you want to be bold, why not either rewrite the thing (piece by piece) or delete the bits you don't like (with an explanation) and see what happens? Mmoneypenny 08:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Reverted Edit

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No problem. Unless I'm mistaken, you deleted an entire section of information. It's 3am for me now, and I am decently tired, so if I did accidentally revert when I should not have, please let me know and accept my apologies. Jmlk17 08:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Word...my apologies Tony. Jmlk17 09:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

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Re: Accusations of vandalism

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Hi Tony, sorry for the late reply but I have been on a wikibreak. I would think each ISP does things differently so you are best trying to contact them to find out what the situation is regarding this, hopefully they should be able to tell you more. The editors at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing might also be able to help you further. Hope that helps, mattbr 11:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

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Rock and Roll

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Here is a very early reference to "rocking" in a musical context:

David Guion is one of the younger school of American composers who has chosen to devote his talent to the use of Negro melodies. In this charming little song, with its rocking rhythm and its distinctly Negro melodic scale, the com-poser describes the various miracles of God...

reference is from: WHAT WE HEAR IN MUSIC A Course of Study in Music History and Appreciation by ANNE SHAW FAULKNER The Copyrights are: 1913, 1916, 1917, 1921 by the VICTOR TALKING MACHINE COMPANY , Camden. New Jersey, U. S. A. It is conceivable that the 1913 version contains these words, but we cannot be sure. It is certain that the 1921 version does.

Reeling and Rocking - Rocking and Rolling

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I have suspected for a while that the contribution of gospel to the development of rock and roll was much greater than is given credit for on the Origins of rock and roll pages.

  1. Run Old Jeremiah is a Ring shout which contains the words "I’ve got a rock. You got a rock."; however when you listen to the piece, the words appear to say "I've gotta rock, you've gotta rock", i.e. gotta = got to = must, rather than gotta = got a = possess.
  2. Pharoah's Army Got Drowned by "Colored Quartet" contains the words One o' these days 'bout twelve o' clock, this ol' world's a gonna reel and rock
  3. Rock Chariot contains the lines "Rock Chariot, I told you to Rock! Judgements goona find me".
  4. Wake up Jonah contains the words: "Reelin' and a Rockin' o' the ship so long".

Eagle Rock:a popular black dance from the 1920's, (this site claims it's 1913), performed with the arms outstretched with wings and the body rocking from side to side. Here's a description of the Eagle Rock (Ballin' The Jack ?)dance:

"First you put your two knees close up tight, then you sway 'em to the left Then you sway 'em to the right, step around the floor kind of nice and light Then you twist around and twist around with all your might, Stretch your lovin' arms straight out into space, then you do the Eagle Rock with style and grace. Swing your foot way 'round then bring it back. Now that's what I call Ballin' the Jack."

"Ballin' the Jack" is a popular song written by Jim Burris with music by Chris Smith 1914. [http://www.streetswing.com/histmain/z3balin.htm this site gives the following info:

Ballin' the Jack is basically just a sensual, gyration dance with bumps and grinds. Notorious in its day, it was done as a solo dance or along with swing dancing. It's first public appearance was in 1913 at the Lafayette Theater in Harlem, the play was called "The Darktown Follies" produced by Leubrie Hill in the first act called "At The Ball, That's All." Florence Ziegfeld loved it so much he purchased the rights and used it in his Follies of 1913.


In 1913 dancer and composer Chris Smith wrote the song titled "Ballin' The Jack," based on a Negro song that was becoming a dance fad across the nation with white America. Most people think of Ballin' the Jack as a swing variant such as the Big Apple and Truckin'. However in the early 1900's, it was a dance all in its own. When it merged with the Lindy Hop, it lost most of its original form and became just a sidekick to swing dance such as pictured on left.

There are stories that 'Ballin' the Jack' was sung by the African-Americans while laying rail for the rail road companies in the 1890's. The "Jack" was a common name for a locomotive (the jackass carrying the load), and Ballin' was the trainmen's hand gestures to 'Highball it' or "High Balling" which means, "faster or to have fun."

The Eagle Rock basically is a dance movement, extending their arms in the "eagle wing," a gesture to evoke friends urging a slave, Daniel, to fly from the master's whip. The head tilts back while the body sways back and forth. It was named after the 'Eagle Rock Baptist Church' in Kansas City, known by blacks since the reconstruction era (after the Civil War) for the ecstatic, trance like movement during its services.

The Eagle Rock originally had a hop in it but as it spread north and south it was discarded in favor of a shuffle. The Eagle rock started to wane in popularity in the early 1920s.

Other stories on it creation is said to be The 'Eagle Rock Reservation', (1920s) in Northern NJ where the Indian dancers would outstretch their arms like an eagle and sway back and forth. Another is the 'Eagle Rock Ferry of the Snake River Valley in Idaho during the 1860's is said that 'Rock Island' had an eagles nest on it, again the Eagle would sway back and forth (or rock) and the Ferry boat dancers would imitate the bird.

The Eagle Rock replaced the similar dance called the 'Buzzard Lope' in popularity as the buzzard lope was associated with plantation life and considered to risque?. Another dance called the 'Shout' was similar to the Eagle Rock as well. a side note:

The vintage 'Little Wonder Records' had the title of 'Ballin' The Jack' in 1909. The last patent date listed on the record is 11/30/1909.

see also http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Lqb4ICh-1QwC&dq=run+old+jeremiah&q=rock#v=onepage&q=eagle%20rock&f=false and http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/175567/eagle-rock — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.27.167.46 (talk) 21:10, 30 October 2011 (UTC)Reply

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