User talk:Tovojolo/Archive/Archive 01 Aug 2007

Images

Please lets keep the most important images -you left the image which was least important to the plot. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 09:03, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but who on earth laid down the law that only two images should be left??. Golfinger has three images as does Dr No etc etc. If you must rmeove another then take out the bond and karim bey image - we must keep the images of klebb, nash and romanova. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 09:16, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

If needs be we could add a free image of the mosque and at a last resort remove the Romanova image. But the images of Klebb and Nash are crucial. I strongly believe that the full Bond articles are best with three. Many featured articles on films have as many fair use images. Also - Hey welcome to WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers - I am the creator!! -and I'm very pleased with its progress and increased membership ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 09:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Glad to have you aboard with Bond too - as you can tell by my name I'm a bit if a Bond fan! I have taken the image of romanova out - but I have added a free image of the mosque. It looks about right now I think - the locations needs writing into wording though like I did to World is not enough. Then we need to add much more detail on production aspects and reception/release ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 09:32, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Wow editing I am actually happy with! I wrote long plot long ago and have gradually been cutting it down but other people who have tried to reduce it have removed vital paragraphs and information and it has been reverted. But we now have all the most important details of the plot and it is more concise. Good job but don't cut the plot any further. Maybe restore a bit about Bond and Grant on the train but its looking good ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 09:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC).

I've been having some trouble with Vikrant Phadkay -can you beleive he moved the gadgets section entirely from Goldfinger!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 12:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh his edit count on the films are going crazy!! On Octopussy I had to revert part of his idea of a plot for Octopussy which said something like "Govinda was scared on the roof of the plane in mid air". Not all his edits are bad but its very difficult to keep track of and have had to remove his deletions on entire gadget sections and paragtaphs of text. He appears to be very unresponsive though. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 13:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I've tried to prompt him to start discussing I'll wait to see what he has to say. Its like he's trying to take over eveything ignoring any ideas that anyone has -this shows a lack of respect. I only contacted you again because on the recent changes page I saw the conflict. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 13:20, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Next he'll be merging all the articles on Bond villains into one . ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 13:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Well he has managed to merge some information into the article which is something although removing the gadgets section is annoying but he has still come up with several comments that are very poor indeed - "From Russia With Love is the film every Bond film strives to be"? -rubbish. Of course every film wants the acclaim and success of it but does he really think when they were making Moonraker they wanted to copy the film exactly??!!!! Maybe he means well but the fact he isn't responding and persists on making alteration when their are objections by several people makes me think otherwise ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 18:16, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh for God's Sake man - why has Mr Vikram merged Mary Goodnight into an article named List of Bond Girls in The Man with the Golden Gun which has only her!!! Ahhh! He has also begun moving soundtrack even before plot!!!! -No film on wikipedia mentions the soundtrack before plot - but other project members don't seem to care what he doing ♦ Blofeld the Bald ♦ ^{"Expecting you?"} 22:04, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:007

You nominate that article at the collaboration page Wikipedia:WikiProject James Bond/Collaboration of the fortnight.

The you can add a nomination or vote for someone elses.

Though its not a very popular way of doing it and twice (as it says) I've had to choose an article due to not enough support. SpecialWindler talk 21:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Your user page

If you remove </div> from the end of the page, when new users add a new section (by pressing the plus) (like I have) it adds a new section underneath the table. By getting rid of the </div> it still works but when a new message arrives it won't go under the table. Yet it still works. SpecialWindler talk 21:28, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Vesper Lynd

It would be hard to prove if they are the same and I don't think they are.

Vesper Lynd should still redirect to that page. Because List of Bond girls in Casino Royale has Vesper Lynds history. You can't just copy and paste articles across, you can only move them. I've requested this at Wikipedia:Requested Moves, but the adminstrotor requires that this is the general view of Wikipedia public. He has posted a comment on the WikiProject James Bond's talk page, which if you could support moving them back would be appreciated.

While we can ask User:Vikrant Phadkay to leave our project, it's not going to stop him editing articles. While he has made some contreversal moves, he also contributes. But I quite agree, something has to happen. SpecialWindler talk 01:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculous. I haven't even looked at a Bond film article today - I do get tired of them - i usually check on them every two weeks or so and do some editing and improvmenet but with Vikrant I can't rest in peace!!!!! What is his problem? With no response from him the only way unfortuntately is to keep an eye on his contribs and revert absolutely anything he does until he begins to get the message ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 15:40, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Trivia. Hahahaha! Has he not evne watched any of the official Bond documentaries like Bond Cocktail etc etc. Everybody -I mean everybody involved in Bond film history and franchise - experts alway asserts how vital an ingredient Q's gadgets and vehicles were in every Bond film. If anything each article should have a more detailed discussion of them in its own section. Trivia. What a goon! Well that settles it ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 15:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

The only good thing I think is the images. I switched the Klebb one so we now have the five main characters in two pictures. I did the same with You Only Live Twice - I wish we didn't have to waste time with Vijrant though ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 15:52, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes i've sectioned it. But remember though although Vehicles is not trivia if the articles are to reach GA status - information in the form of bulltet points in a trivial format is frowned on. Writing it into text is a good thing as it is now - but it should still have its own section. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 16:05, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmm I don't know about that image it looks different to the car in the film. The problem is that some of Vikrants editing is OK and he can't really be branded a vandal officially (however way off much of his editing is) -this makes it very difficult to block him. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 16:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

What frustrates me about the "Lists" of Bond girls is that they aren't lists at all -way off in fact. Many of the merges are for one character which is beyond a stub. Now can see any legitiamcy is moving Vesper Lynd to List of Bond girls in Casino Royale?? First there is only her and it is quite detailed article -not exactly a list is it -I've moved it back ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 16:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

If anything we need an image of the train ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 16:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the note - I've reverted his edits today as I spotted several spelling cock ups with the refencing -and he had removed some important info ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 16:47, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Reply

You got it!!! --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Kate Mulgrew pics

Hi. Noticed you removed the pics I had placed on the Kate Mulgrew article. The pictures are properly license-tagged (as far as I can tell) and are utilized in the article only to demonstrate the characters discussed. Granted, the character discussions need to be expanded a bit, but I'm not sure how these violated WP:FU and WP:NFCC. If you could specifically point out how these violate the policies, I'd really appreciate it; otherwise, I am tempted to put them back in. Thanks. ZueJay (talk) 03:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

casino royale

I've added a todo list on the talk page of the 1967 page. Good to see you working on the article. SpecialWindler talk 11:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I hope my comment about fixing your talk page (above) was helpful. SpecialWindler talk 11:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

No, but I added it because I notice you were editing the article dramatically. Currently it's a tie so Octopussy would be priotirised. You need a 6th vote for it to become the collaboration. SpecialWindler talk 21:28, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh yes that - well I thought it was a shame that the long cast (of notable actors) was strictly shortened after someone had bothered to add it. I wouldn't really suggest this for all the Bond films but this film has a huge cast and as you said before of major actors. I'd like to see though more details given to the minor cast as in the main cast format. I hope it can qualify then for an article page.

Hey Sepcial Winder. You can't discourage Tovojolo from editing and improving it!!! While the outcome of the next collaboration is undecided betwen this and Octopussy it doesn't matter yet - any work done on any article is a major bonus! All the best ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 16:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest replacing the image of Agent Mimi with one of David Niven as Bond . What do you think? We still keep the gorgeous!!!! Barbara Bouchet, and Sellars also ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 16:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Thats fine good. One thing though - when posting talk comments about the same topic can you keep it under one header e.g Casino Royale. Cheers ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 17:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

My only concern is that Vikrant will attempt to remove most of the images. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 17:24, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Vikrant

I've had a surpise message from Vikrant - its odd but I have't even so much as looked at a Bond article or though about it today!! My mind's been engrossed in Deforestation in Camboida -an article I'm preparing ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 15:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

If you scan his user talk page briefly you'll see that he has been blocked before and has a history of confrontation unfortunately. Not a good sign. I wish he'd lighten up. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 15:54, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

oh I did a few edits on Royale 67 yesterday. I hope they're ok? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 15:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey I'm doi'n all right with my Cambodian article. Cambodian clothing hit the main page earlier today in the number one spot with the image!! Over the next week or two I'm working on the new one which I hopoe will eventually be a FA. In doing so I'll be happy to aid you occasionally with royale 67 and Octopussy. Keep up the good edits ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 16:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of James Bond (films)

The article James Bond (films) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. It hasn't failed because it's basically a good article, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within ten days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:James Bond (films) for things needed to be addressed.Lilac Soul ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 11:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

James Bond (films) GA nomination

I see Vikrant has proposed this for a GA. Well for me the article is missing vital ingredients. Why doesn't it attempt to discuss the essential ingredients to the films such as exotic locations and cars, beautiful women, casinos and tuxedos etc? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 14:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I think Vikrants heeded some of my advice and added some of these section now. An article on the Bond film genre wihtout even mentioning beautiful women, exotic locations and vehicles was quite shocking indeed -but of course these aren't considered important -they are trivia -aren't they!!!? He's made a start anyway. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 18:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment on GA review for James Bond (films)

It appears User:Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld pasted a comment of mine into your talk page, making it look like it was me leaving it there as he kept my signature intact. I have warned him never to do so again. Lilac Soul ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 02:15, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Casino Royale (1967 film)

No. Sorry. Haven't even seen the movie. It has yet to appear in any of the James Bond movie marathons that come on TV. Emperor001 18:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Vehicles

Yes he has also done the same with Octopussy . I dont know about you but I like the Vehicles/gadgets section. I dn't mind some of his merging work but he seems to have it imprinted in his mind that vehicles and gadgets are "trivia" and are strictly forbidden. Would you consider the pen removed from the Octopussy page (which was instrumental in Bond escaping) now as trivia? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 16:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

His editing does seem to be improving -I'm quite pleased with this - but I still think he leaves out important info in trying to merge things. I'd rather a written section seperate on vehicles and gadgets personally. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 16:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand, you criticise him but then call him "buddy" on his talk page. If you look at the Project talk page, you'll see the go I had at him.

lol

Tovojolo 19:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

James Coburn

Hi. I'm wondering why you took out the image of James Coburn from the info box. It was an image from the commons ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 18:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)..

Ah. Thats cool. (ahhhh I've just lost my long message to you in a edit conflict). Its got to be the worst "free image" we can have of him !!! -it barely looks like him -but I guess we gotta stick by the rules. Hey I had a Bond marathon the other night -all the article now look a bit different - I've done some more work on World is not ENough, Die Another Day and Blofeld . Check it out. All the best ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 18:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I've just filled in some links recognize Ho Yi? I also started Mr. Chang and Peacful Fountains of Desire - she's pretty attractive ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 18:46, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Collaboration

I have re-written the rules of the collaboration, to incorporate all views and opinions. This means that Casino Royale (67) will still be up for nomination for the next collaboration. However a new rule allows the nominator (in this case, you) to remove the nomination. This means you can remove Casino Royale (which you tried to do) if you don't want it collaborated on. Hope this helps, any further quiries feel free to ask me. SpecialWindler talk 04:37, 18 August 2007 (UTC)