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Cor anglais

Hello TrumpetMan,

In my interactions with British-speaking WP editors, I've found that they definitely prefer "cor anglais". Indeed, there seems to be some risk that "English horn" might not be understood by some at least some British readers.

In general, I think that in accommodating national differences of language, we Wikipedia editors ought to be just super-sensitive to the needs of speakers of other dialects, and always err on the side of caution. Thus, it might be a good idea actually to add "cor anglais" to some of those other articles you mentioned.

Yours very truly, Opus33 (talk) 20:51, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

• I understand your point. However, I still don't think it necessary to include both names when the cor anglais article (which mentions both names) is only a click away. But I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree; this is a minor change which does not affect the original Kindertotenlieder article. If you feel it would make more sense to list cor anglais in place of English horn be my guest.

Sincerely, TrumpetMan202 (talk) 20:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Wagner, Strauss, Mahler, usw.

Wrote trumpet parts without key signatures, you say... was that a German thing, or more widespread? I think it would be worth giving that a few lines in the Key signature article, and some more at Trumpet; sourced, of course... regards, __Just plain Bill (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

My reply: I'm certain that it's more widespread than just Germany*: those three were simply the first composers who came to mind. Dvorak, Tchaikovsky and several other composers notated their trumpet parts without key signatures.

The practice of writing the horn and trumpet parts without key signature dates back to when these instruments were not chromatic and could only play the notes of the harmonic series. A key signature would not have been necessary, since more often than not the instrument couldn't play any accidentals. Even after the valve was invented this practice continued. Interestingly enough, the cornet was almost always written with a key signature since it was chromatic from its inception. This is especially noticeable in a piece with both cornets and trumpets such as Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture. The cornets in B-flat change key signature many times throughout the piece while the trumpets in E-flat are written without.

This mainly applies to orchestral music, since in band music the horn and trumpet are often both written with key signatures. TrumpetMan202 (talk) 15:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

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