Tsuru8

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Tsuru8 (talk) 04:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC) Thank you for your advice and letting me know (I put these four tildas but I don't see my username??!!!!)

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Welcome to Wikipedia, Tsuru8! I am Mysdaao and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page or by typing {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Mysdaao ^talk 02:33, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Tsuru8 (talk) 04:26, 4 December 2009 (UTC) Thanks for your help and advice - now I see my username after I save the comments!!

You're welcome. Generally people add their signature after a comment, not before, so you may want to get into that habit now so it's easier to do later. Again, welcome! --Mysdaao ^talk 13:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

External links

Hi Tsuru8;

From your recent contributions, it seems that you may not be familiar with the policies and guidelines for adding external links to articles.[1][2] Please review WP:EL and WP:SPAM. If you are concerned that others will regard your contribution as spam, please describe your work on the article's talk page and ask other editors if it is relevant. Thank you. Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, you wrote to me about adding external links, and since I'm new to all of this, I'm learning about how to do things and the correct way to do them! Such as this message. I don't find a way to simply click on something like "New message", so went into the page edit and added this here.

I'd like to discuss the issues with adding external links with you. Also, about adding this question to each and every talk page of each and every species to get someones reply/thoughts on doing so. I have had my website up for almost 13 years now, am not interested in making any profit, nor am I spamming, nor anything I can see that would be contrary to anything but contributing knowledge to the public. I felt that going through the individual species pages of birds and mammals (as well as cetaceans, reptiles, amphibians, etc.) that I have, that I could add an external link that people could go to for more images of a species. Many of the species pages on Wikipedia do not even have an image, especially the rarer species I've photographed, and those pages that do have images, are not always that great, nor all that representable of a picture of that species. I don't think it's a good idea for me, or anyone for that matter, to add tons of pictures for each and every species to the Wikipedia site (i.e. servers), as that just exponentially increases the storage space on the servers (I happen to be a EE like you and an owner of a Computer consulting firm so understand all this behind the scenes that most have no clue about), so I felt that a simple external link, which is a few bytes of data on Wikipedias servers, would be the best and most efficient approach. Then, and only then, a visitor to that species page can go out to another web server to see additional images and info if they so elect. I think I recall after reading all the information from the links on Wikipedia you provided, that Wikipedia is also concerned about sites that will be available and not just temporary links. As I stated, my website has been up for nearly 13 years, and I don't plan on taking it down (in fact am adding species and newer images all the time - almost daily) in the near future. Even if I croak tomorrow(God forbid!) my son has access to it and will keep it up and running indefinitely! As for attempting to get monies, I actually give away far and away more images to educators and grad students and other non-profit organizations such as parks, etc. than I ever sell. And, nearly all the major publishers in the US and some abroad know me and know if they need an image they know to contact me, and all the editors of all the major bird and animal related magazines in the U.S. know me personally as well. Wikipedia is not my idea of marketing whatsoever, and don't wish to either. In fact, I know though that I will get many more emails daily from people who view my images with comments and questions, therefore adding to my daily task list for replies, ughh! I'm simply not interested in the money whatsoever.

I've worked on this personal love for almost 50 years now, attempting to photograph all species of birds and large mammals specifically in North America, and some in Asia, and wish only (maybe it's an old age thing of now it's my time to give back) to share these images to the rest of mankind. Nowhere on my site do I have an order page or try to make a buck, even though it has cost me a great deal of monies over my lifetime to get these images in equipment, film (now digital cards), airfare, rental cars, hotels, gas, etc. all at my expense with no expectations of compenstation.

Therefore, I cannot see any reason why Wikipedia (and the users which are THE important part here) would only benefit from my contributions (in a simple link only).

Please let me know your thoughts, and, HOW do I just add a question to your talk page without going in here like I did to Edit the page, if there is a way?

Thanks, for all your hard work I'm sure to support users on Wikipedia.

- tsuru8 (Wikipedia username) - Monte M. Taylor —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsuru8 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

The above response was copied from User_talk:Wsiegmund.[3]

I think most of your questions are answered on the pages that I cited.

• Please use the "new section" tab to post to a talk page without editing the entire talk page.
• WP:ELNO says do not link any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article. So, if an article is already adequately illustrated, you probably should not link your site to it. However, if your images are obviously superior to the available images, or if none are available, then a link to your site is likely to be welcomed.
• If you take it a little slower and contribute content as well as than external links, your edits are less likely to be reverted.
• Editors are encouraged to upload images since they are easily incorporated into articles. Those uploaded to Commons are immediately available to more than 100 projects, not just English Wikipedia. The cost of storage is small.
• Images with watermarks or credits in the image itself are discouraged. Eventually, another editor will probably crop them. The presence of a credit in the image is likely to be cited as a reason for not using the image to illustrate an article. You may add credits to the image metadata and to the file page. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 02:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

December 2009

Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. It is considered spamming and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, additions of links to Wikipedia will not alter search engine rankings. If you continue spamming, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. -- Alexf^(talk) 12:28, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Reply

Tsuru8 (talk) 23:58, 5 December 2009 (UTC)tsuru8

First, I am in no way trying to spam, I'm in now way trying to advertise, I'm in no way trying to use Wikipedia for my benefit, nor could I care less whether or not it helps with search engines so you are quite mistaken in immediately taking this reaction as to my intentions!!

I'm conversing with another editor on this issue now and this is what I wrote to him:

Hi, you wrote to me about adding external links, and since I'm new to all of this, I'm learning about how to do things and the correct way to do them!

I'd like to discuss the issues with adding external links with you. Also, about adding this question to each and every talk page of each and every species to get someones reply/thoughts on doing so. I have had my website up for almost 13 years now, am not interested in making any profit, nor am I spamming, nor anything I can see that would be contrary to anything but contributing knowledge to the public. I felt that going through the individual species pages of birds and mammals (as well as cetaceans, reptiles, amphibians, etc.) that I have, that I could add an external link that people could go to for more images of a species. Many of the species pages on Wikipedia do not even have an image, especially the rarer species I've photographed, and those pages that do have images, are not always that great, nor all that representable of a picture of that species. I don't think it's a good idea for me, or anyone for that matter, to add tons of pictures for each and every species to the Wikipedia site (i.e. servers), as that just exponentially increases the storage space on the servers (I happen to be a EE like you and an owner of a Computer consulting firm so understand all this behind the scenes that most have no clue about), so I felt that a simple external link, which is a few bytes of data on Wikipedias servers, would be the best and most efficient approach. Then, and only then, a visitor to that species page can go out to another web server to see additional images and info if they so elect. I think I recall after reading all the information from the links on Wikipedia you provided, that Wikipedia is also concerned about sites that will be available and not just temporary links. As I stated, my website has been up for nearly 13 years, and I don't plan on taking it down (in fact am adding species and newer images all the time - almost daily) in the near future. Even if I croak tomorrow(God forbid!) my son has access to it and will keep it up and running indefinitely! As for attempting to get monies, I actually give away far and away more images to educators and grad students and other non-profit organizations such as parks, etc. than I ever sell. And, nearly all the major publishers in the US and some abroad know me and know if they need an image they know to contact me, and all the editors of all the major bird and animal related magazines in the U.S. know me personally as well. Wikipedia is not my idea of marketing whatsoever, and don't wish to either. In fact, I know though that I will get many more emails daily from people who view my images with comments and questions, therefore adding to my daily task list for replies, ughh! I'm simply not interested in the money whatsoever.

I've worked on this personal love for almost 50 years now, attempting to photograph all species of birds and large mammals specifically in North America, and some in Asia, and wish only (maybe it's an old age thing of now it's my time to give back) to share these images to the rest of mankind. Nowhere on my site do I have an order page or try to make a buck, even though it has cost me a great deal of monies over my lifetime to get these images in equipment, film (now digital cards), airfare, rental cars, hotels, gas, etc. all at my expense with no expectations of compenstation.

Therefore, I cannot see any reason why Wikipedia (and the users which are THE important part here) would only benefit from my contributions (in a simple link only).

Please let me know your thoughts

Thanks, for all your hard work I'm sure to support users on Wikipedia. Tsuru8 (talk)tsuru8