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UFOs real or not? #1

I have nominated your page UFOs real or not? for speedy deletion. Unfortunately, the page does not satisfy a number of criteria necessary for a Wikipedia article. Firstly, it consists largely of opinion and original research, which is forbidden by the policy Wikipedia:no original research. Secondly, the page Unidentified flying object already exists, and covers in an encyclopedic style the same material that your page covers. Before creating pages on wikipedia, make sure you check to make sure that a page for that topic does not already exist. Check out Wikipedia:guidelines and Wikipedia:how to write a great article for more tips on contributing. Happy editing! --Swpb ^{talk contribs} 22:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

please do me a favor and keep it if you want i can put my article on the one you said it was similar to actually i've tried but i may need assitence with that

In trying to make Wikipedia the best encyclopedia possible, we can't make exceptions and grant favors for hard work or new member status. As I have stated on the article talk page, Wikipedia itself is not a valid source for an article, as that information is already present on Wikipedia and should not be duplicated. If you feel that information you have found elsewhere is useful to the understanding of the topic, you may add it to the article Unidentified flying object, but you must explicitly cite your sources (see WP:CITE). Also, be sure to sign your posts, by placing four tildes (~~~~) at the end. --Swpb ^{talk contribs} 22:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

my referances are not so hot on truth either, thats why i made it as a dission article for the reader to dicide. and dude wiki already is. Kids i know in my school may have used Wikipedia for projects. heck i got 95% of the info in my article from wikipedia. and many encylopedia's have duplactions becuase new information might be gathered after the article is published and it may not be able to get a rewrite so they put this in either as a revission or as another article all together Tu-49 22:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

at this moment im not injoying my arrival but if my newest article stays here, i will be a little bit happyer but i may also make new and other articles here for Wikipedia even if my UFO article gets deleted

{{helpme}} How do i create an article while trying not to make it look like any others we have here and what Airplane articles have already been written? Tu-49 23:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm here to help!

The best place to start an article is to find a topic wikipedia dosn't already cover. I just started 3 new articles about books I've read.

The article "Airplane" is a good place to start when looking for various airplanes. "Aircraft" has some info on diffrent kinds not covered in the other article. And "List of aircraft" has a huge list of diffrent kinds of airplanes. ---J.S (t|c) 23:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

okay well when i ment planes i meant FIGHTER aircraftTu-49 23:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

UFO's Real or Not #2

im not letting my article goTu-49 23:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, the article you wrote is a bit redundant and it violates a few little rules... how about we move it to your user page and you can improve it without needing to worry about it getting deleted? ---J.S (t|c) 23:29, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

that may sound good on paper how do we do that?Tu-49 23:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll do it. Give me a moment. ---J.S (t|c) 23:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, you can find your article here: "User:Tu-49/UFOs real or not?"

While it's in your user space please don't add any links to it. (Someone will remove 'em.) ---J.S (t|c) 23:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

okay well what changes do u think should be made? o and if u were the one who wrote the Ace combat articles i have this to ask about ACzero, y did u chop it up, it was perfect already?Tu-49 23:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

No, I didn't write it...

Well, here is a few tips on how to improve your article:

1. Everything needs to be written from a neutral voice. That means not taking any point of view... pro or con. (see WP:NPOV for more details)

2. The article can't contain any original thought or research. Everything we wright about here at wikipedia should have already been written about by someone else. I know, it sounds kinda drab, but it's an important rule. (see WP:NOR for more info)

3. Everything we write about here should be verifiable by a trustworthy source. That means the reader should be able to go-to the local library and double check the article. That also means we need to use citations in our work to make that kind of checking possible. (See WP:V and WP:CITE for more info)

Once you do all that your going to find your article will look a lot like the already existing article on UFOs. ---J.S (t|c) 00:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

um...thats something i'm trying to avoide!!!Tu-49 00:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC) also another thing about me, i take what i learn from english stuff and use my own form while not trying to make it bad Tu-49 17:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Operation Bolo

i might begin an article about the vietnam operation Bolo. if there is an article about it LET ME KNOWTu-49 01:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC) also i might ask the admin of Wiki to check over the finished product and before you decide to delete it or not, please report it here and say why so i can fix itTu-49 01:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bolongs like that. -Royalguard11 what the heck is that there for? Tu-49 03:16, 17 November 2006 (UTC) ([[User talk:Royalguard here it isTu-49 01:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

You were wondering about the big tag at the top? "Wikify" means to make it more with the manual of style, so make links to other articles and thi11|Talk]]·Desk·Review Me!) 03:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

not what i'm asking what i'm asking is y is it there and how can i change it Tu-49 03:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC) what is it, is it the pictures or something? and if it is what is the gallery where wiki holds all there pictures for us to use Tu-49 03:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC) i got about a million new messages and the damn (excuse me) thing won't stop alerting me Tu-49 03:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bolo bolo not bolongs Tu-49 03:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Aircraft articles

You mentioned on another user talk page that you were interested in writing articles about aircraft (if I understand correctly). You might want to check out this page, which lists articles that have been started but are classified as "stubs" because they need a lot more content added in order to be a full article. -- John Broughton | Talk 14:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC) yes but my concern now for the wiki projects is Operation bolo Tu-49 19:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Copyright

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions to the Operation Bolo article, but for legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

Feel free to re-submit a new version of the article. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.

If the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must include on the external site the statement "I, (name), am the author of this article, (article name), and I irrevocably release its content under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 and later, for use on Wikipedia and elsewhere."

You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here. You can also leave a message on my talk page. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 02:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. The above message is one of our standardised ones to explain our copyright policy. I could tell by the images you uploaded that perhaps you hadn't realised that copyright is important around here. Let me give you an example, this work by Diego Zampini says "Seconds later, another MiG-21 crossed the line of fire of the F-4C Phantom “Rambler 02” and was apparently destroyed by a Sparrow fired by its pilot, Lawrence Glynn". These exact words, and more, appear in the article you have written here. How much else is copied? The images you have uploaded belong to someone else, and unfortunately cannot be used on Wikipedia. They will be deleted. Please see the Image use policy. Thanks. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 03:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

whoa whoa whoa hold it there big guy

i sited my work so i cant have that article being deleated for copyright work, if u want me to cite it on the article i will gladly do it

just spare this one please Tu-49 02:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Whether this is a copyright violation or not, the whole page may be better suited for Wikibooks. I've removed the sections with long quotes which are clearly violating the copyright at http://www.acepilots.com/vietnam/olds_bolo.html. I'm also deleting the images which you either marked as having created yourself or marked as being freely distributable through GFDL. They are neither. You should probably look through the policies and procedures of Wikipedia and maybe see what other people do. That's how I got started and it worked well. — Wknight94 (talk) 14:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

damnit listen to me that site was the only one i found that had quotes from the battle pilots them selves. it would be wise to keep them there becuase they will proveide a first hand veiw of the battle for future readers! Tu-49 14:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)!

I hear you and I understand your frustration. Take a look through the various articles inside Category:Military operations. I looked through at random and found Operation Prime Chance and Operation Seagull II which seem like fairly good representations of what a military operation Wikipedia article should be. You'll notice that there is not a lot of drama and almost no direct quotes. Like I said, what you seem to be going for is a book and might be better suited for Wikibooks. What we have here is an encyclopedia which is more geared towards stating collected facts and giving information, not presenting a dramatic story. You might also want to ask for assistance and good examples at WT:MILHIST. — Wknight94 (talk) 14:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

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Re:Operation Bolo

First, the article should be wikified.

Second, there is Wikipedia:Peer review which should give you better suggestions.

Third, what do you mean by "viewed by Wikipedia"? Cbrown1023 01:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

i put the answer on ur talk page operation bolo Tu-49 01:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

What do you have questions about? You've uploaded images before... (see also Wikipedia:Uploading images) Cbrown1023 01:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Copyright problem with Image:Dogfights gallery3.jpg

Hello Tu-49. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Image:Dogfights gallery3.jpg, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This image appears to be a direct copy from http://www.history.com/minisites/dogfights/images/dogfights_gallery7.jpg. As a copyright violation, Image:Dogfights gallery3.jpg appears to qualify for speedy deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. The image has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message.

If you believe that the image is not a copyright violation, or if you have permission from the copyright holder to release the content freely under the GFDL, you can comment to that effect on Image_talk:Dogfights gallery3.jpg. If the image has already been deleted, but you have a proper release, you can reenter the content at Image:Dogfights gallery3.jpg, after describing the release on the talk page. Thank you, and please feel free to continue contributing to Wikipedia. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 02:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

right now that missile shot is the only one i have to match the event i have Tu-49 14:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

That is unfortunate, however copyright law must take precedence over aesthetics. Please read up on Wikipedia's copyright policy. Thanks. You might want to have a look at the commons. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 14:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

o yea sure send me to another one until i can find a better image for that shot here on wikipedia that image stays right where it isTu-49 14:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

That image has been deleted and therefore will not be staying here. I was pointing you to a place where you can find free images. Please listen to what people are trying to tell you. Thanks. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 14:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

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This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. 23:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC) yea im looking for the owner of the picture right now give me a mineutTu-49 23:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Copyright again

Hi Tu-49. You really need to stop uploading pictures you have found on a website somewhere. It is normally a violation of the law, as well as a violation of Wikipedia's policy on copyright. Listen to this - a lot of works produced by US service personnel in the course of their duties are in the public domain and therefore usable on Wikipedia, but, and this is the important bit, you need to find the source for the picture - ie you need to show that a US service personnel took the picture in the course of their duties. Please, please, don't make up licences for the pictures because they will be deleted. You would probably want to use a template like {{PD-USGov-Military-Air Force}} or one from the list at {{USAtags}} when you find such a picture. But you must provide a source for the picture so that others can check who actually owns the copyright in the picture. Please note you can find out about image syntax at WP:XIMG. Thanks. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 23:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

o will you back off

where the heck do u get images here on wikipediaTu-49 23:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

all the ones u got here all over the internet and you telling me to stop??????

what is this? how do i no the images you guys got is also not from the internet :hmm?????Tu-49 23:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)!

I just told you how to get your images not deleted. Please listen to what people are trying to tell you. Thanks. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 23:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Holy what the hell i've done EVERYTHING u told me and now they deleted GOD please this atricle NEEDS images and all i get go for once just leave an image on there and please just make this article veiwed on Yahoo or Google please Tu-49 23:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC) okay i've tried to shrink the image and its not working so can some one that is nice help me through it Tu-49 00:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. 01:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC) the source is on the sources section on Operation Bolo Tu-49 01:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Pictures on Bolo

for future notice the websits for the F-4 and MiG-21 pictures are in the pictures summaryTu-49 21:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC) YES ITS STAYING IM GONNA CATORGIZE IT THE MINEUT I GET HOME YEA BABY IM SO HAPPY!!!!!!Tu-49 17:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Robin Olds pic for speedy delete

Hello, concerning your contribution, Image:UbonRobinOldsChappieJames.jpg, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This article appears to be a direct copy from http://www.kalaniosullivan.com/KunsanAB/index.html. As a copyright violation, Image:UbonRobinOldsChappieJames.jpg appears to qualify for speedy deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. Image:UbonRobinOldsChappieJames.jpg has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message. If the source is a credible one, please consider rewriting the content and citing the source.

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The problem isn't that you know where it is from. It's that the picture is under copyright by the photographer. You didn't ask him for permission to use the image, and as such, it is an illegal use of copyrighted material. If you could find the photographer, and get his permission, then it would be all right. But we don't have his permission.--LWF 02:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

okay okay but thats the only i got of him unless i can get the pic of Olds already here for usesTu-49 02:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

If there is a picture of Olds already on Wikipedia, then go for it, put it in Operation Bolo. I'd say a good picture of Olds belongs in Bolo.--LWF 02:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

okay theres one in his article or the one about himTu-49 02:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Image help

Hiya Tu-49, I noticed you said on Talk:Operation Bolo that you were looking for help in regards to setting up an image. Could you give me some more infomation about the image (who took it, when it was taken, any copyright considerations etc) and then I'll do my best to help you out with it. Thanks. --Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 04:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC) the image is on the Robin Olds article and you'll have to talk to the writer of that one Tu-49 15:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC) how ever i have a problem i cant talk on the article discussion page im blocked there and i need it off to talkTu-49 15:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC) even with secure login im still auto Tu-49 15:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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thank you o thank you so muchTu-49 15:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

new articles

{{helpme}}

is there any new avaition/military articles i can write cuz all the good ones are takenTu-49 15:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Well Wikipedia is not exactly a fresh project, we can't tell we have an article about everything but that might get close ;) Perhaps you should consider enhancing the existing articles. I am not a military expert but you can try for example to add some new material, add references to claims in the articles, fix typos, ... I hope that helped! -- lucasbfr ^talk 15:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

it did now what avaition articles can be opened up to meTu-49 20:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Tu-49, so you like Aircraft too huh, I myself love the Vietnam War and Operation Bolo and I watch Dogfights too you see the most recent one? Thanks for making the article Operation Bolo, do you still use caps to make you sound angry, also do stiil talk like, r u? Because it gives me headackes reading your posts.Sam ov the blue sand 05:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

What you don't say "Hi"?Sam ov the blue sand, Editor Review 03:56, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

um hiTu-49 16:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Image tagging for Image:F-4 phantom 081.jpg

The website you got this from says regarding its copyrights

All information presented on this site, in whole or in part, may not under any circumstances be copied, reverse engineered, resold, redistributed or used on an Internet site for purposes of any kind without prior written permission from respective copyright holders. Any rights not expressly granted herein are reserved.

Because this image is not used in any articles, we cannot include it even under the doctrine of fair use. For this reason, I have tagged it to be deleted as an image with an incorrect copyright tag. Frankly, I can't think of any fair use justification for this image, since we have many other free images of the phantom of much better quality. Karl Dickman ^talk 19:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Image tagging for Image:F-4 phantom 062.jpg

I have also nominated this image to be deleted for the same reason. Again, I don't think we could even justify including this image under fair use, given how many free alternatives we have at Commons:F-4 Phantom II. Karl Dickman ^talk 19:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Image tagging for Image:Mig-21Fishbed.jpg

This image was clearly not created by you. However, it is a U.S. government image, and is thus in the public domain. I have re-tagged it. Karl Dickman ^talk 19:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC) thanks man Tu-49 20:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

google UFO

• they removed it because we did not show any references (such as a news article publication talking about it) hehe, but the picture and data is still there i believe, just gotta look at the pages history such as this [1] (:O) -Nima Baghaei ^{talk · cont · email} 21:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

What???? if they didn't want any one to talk about it, then why the heck didn't they remove the image any way and just get a newer updated one without the UFO! Tu-49 21:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• i have no idea, hopefully a reference will be found so we can include it back into the article (:O) -Nima Baghaei ^{talk · cont · email} 15:00, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Repeat that in english pleaseTu-49 18:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

You tube links in User space...

Please Do NOT link to copyvio on you tube from your user page. Either confirm the statust of the clips linked to, or remove the links. Sfan00 IMG 11:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Um okay

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