User talk:Uricarrillo94/Archive 1

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Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association Champions

Hi Uricarrillo94, If you would like to get involved in something right down your alley, I recently started a new article you might be interested in working on with me. It's joint article to the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association article. It is going to list all of the champions each year. It's something that some of us other rodeo editors will probably do with the PBR article eventually too. I'd really like to have more than one person involved on it as it involves all the many different events of rodeo. Your level of involvement could be entirely up to you, any where from just advising, proofreading, or actually filling in the champion lists. Here's the article location: User:Dawnleelynn/sandbox/Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association Champions if you just want to see the structure, I have only started filling in one list. I have already copied the list from the main article for the Xtreme Bull Riders. This type of doing two articles is widely used in Wikipedia for musicians and their awards or their discography, for one example. Or actors and their movies, etc. Anyway, the area I'd like help with is to be sure I included all the events. I've added two citations so you can see my sources. The main source is coming from the media kit on the PRCA website which is http://www.prorodeo.com/prorodeo/media/2017-prca-media-guide, each section you see is clickable to its own flipbook (pdf). Any thoughts you have on the structure so far let me know. And definitely I would credit you appropriately for any help.

Also, I'm going to write up an post about the whole new tour name issue, and I'll get back to you on that tomorrow. I checked a page analysis on the Built Ford Tough Series article, and it does not get very many hits, really. However, the PBR article does get a lot of hits, so perhaps we can decide the best way to address it soon. It really boils down to whether to address all of the tours as the Premier Series as an article and then talk about each separate tour in that article. Or rather have separate articles for each tour. And also, be sure we use the right tour name. I've been reading all the articles that come out trying to see if they are being consistent. But truthfully, WP readers are not looking here (WP) for the tour name. Have you noticed how they are advertising the tour name on television? Just a thought. Thanks, dawnleelynn^(talk) 23:02, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Bronc riding

Hello, I'm Dawnleelynn. I noticed that you recently removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks.

Associates

I have noticed you are acting with associates or even are even using associate accounts yourself. I noticed that the IP account 108.200.5.217 was making edits in the same articles and around the same times you were at times. But what really gave it away was that both accounts were used to create a new article: International Professional Rodeo Association. And since the Rodeo area and articles is not a very busy part of Wikipedia, it's pretty easy to see when things like this are going on. So when another IP account showed up today to add unsourced entries to the only two very large articles I am working on right now, one I've newly created and one I've just made a large expansion in, it's highly unlikely that it's coincidental. The accounts are, Luke Snyder and J.W. Harris. Especially when the other IP account (108.200.5.217) shows up right about the same time and makes an edit to the Professional Bull Riders account. So, 172.254.85.226 is obviously also an associated account. I have not pinged you on all of your unexplained edits (mostly content removal) but you really need to stop adding content without sources. Another friendly reminder that it's not optional. dawnleelynn^(talk) 04:35, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Explanation - I have been making some edits without being logged into my account. I am not using another person’s account. I apologize for that mistake. I did create the IPRA page, but later added information without being logged in, and I did make a minor edit to the PBR page (linking the LJ. Jenkins page on Wikipedia). I did not, however, edit the J.W. Harris and Luke Snyder pages. I keep screwing up, so I apologize for that. To source every single thing on here can be frustrating. Uricarrillo94 (talk) 07:40, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Honesty - I appreciate your honesty. And I was hoping you would reply so we could address the issue honestly. The Wikipedia is a community. I have offered you assistance before. I will offer it to you again. I will help you with finding sources. Also, there are times when you don't need to source edits, such as when you are doing formatting or adding wikilinks, for example. But when you are adding new content, it's a must. When you are removing content, you may or may not a need to add a source, but you definitely need to add an edit summary to back up why you are removing it. I can understand why it is frustrating to add a source. You just have to remind yourself that this is an encyclopedia, not a blog. Using sources is one of the most important policies there is on WP. Even an unsourced article is not an invitation to keep on in the same fashion. Ok, the other editor was just a coincidence then. dawnleelynn^(talk) 01:40, 31 March 2018 (UTC) (Was actually written in January.)

Sources

What is the hardest part about adding sources? Finding them or adding them to the article? What method do you use to add them to the article? I use the Template > Cite function on the Source Editor window. You can paste the URL in and then click the Magnifying Glass to get many of the fields filled in automatically. Some people use the Visual Editor. Really, I don't have any idea how well you know the editing tools, so all of this could be moot. Just a thought. dawnleelynn^(talk) 17:07, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

New PBR articles

Just a quick note first. I have figured out why I have been so snippy the last couple weeks, and not just to you. Seasonal affective disorder. I am starting to take vitamin D3 and going to try to get some natural sunlight as well.

Okay, so we now have these three PBR tour articles, which I will be polishing up this week. Built Ford Tough Series where the content is new and taken from my sandbox article. It's all cited so you can make corrections and verify anything you add exists in the sources therein. Then there is the Bud Light Cup Series where I again took the content from the sandbox and it's an article I repurposed from a redirect. And then lastly, there is the Unleash the Beast Series article which I took some content from the BFTS article and repurposed it and I also wrote some new content and took content from the tour in the PBR article. They all have sources. One thing I need to do in the BFTS is look through the sources again and where it talks about the BFTS system moving from money to points in 2013. I have a PBR article that talks about it, but I'd really like more than that. I also have some past challenges from the sources I gathered like the Moss Oak Shootout, the Super Duty Ford thing, etc. I'm also going to update the tours section in the PBR article because I found several other tours that existed in the past that can go in the previous tours section. After I do that, I want to split article into two articles - the new article will be just for lists of PBR awards or champions...still thinking what the best article title will be. Professional Bull Riders Awards ? Professional Bull Riders Champions ? The lists is really more than just champions so that's why I thought Awards might be better. Let me know that you think. dawnleelynn^(talk) 18:18, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Awesome Job

Hello there. Thanks a bunch for the new pages regarding the past PBR tours. It’s really helpful for anyone who wants to go deep into the rich history of the organization. As far as the PBR awards page is concerned, “Awards” is definitely a better title since it includes all the awards apart from the world championships, world finals event championships, lower level championships, etc. You have done a phenomenal job, and I hope your work will help to have this sport we love be taken more seriously by the mainstream environment. Uricarrillo94 (talk) 01:24, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm really glad that you feel the additional information on the current and previous tours will be useful. And thanks for the encouragement. A useful tool that I use to check how many views an article gets every day tells me that the PBR article averages over 250 views per day. Have you seen it this tool? Here's the views for PBR: [1]. However, the BFTS article gets less views. It averages 38: [2]. The other areas I expanded need some definite polishing; I was getting tired when I added those. Also, I need to find a description for the Discovery Tour. That's the thing with Wikipedia articles; they are never finished. Oh, I wanted to ask you one thing about the PBR article.

The 2017 PBR Media Kit, which is located here, (so you can see all 4 sections) http://www.pbr.com/en/about/media-guide.aspx shows the following statement in the first section, located here http://www.pbr.com/assets/content/Section_01_PBR_basics_2018.pdf and I quote, "600+ bull riders compete in PBR-sanctioned competitions in Australia, Brazil, Canada, Mexico and the United States." So, according to this guide, I think there is a place where it is should say 600 when you are just talking about the countries with tours. Can you check that out? I know I had added that, but it was probably in the wrong place or something? Thanks for all you do, I noticed your fixes on the PBR article. And yes, I definitely love this sport. And I am loving how much better Smooth Operator is doing with the right-hand delivery. dawnleelynn^(talk) 18:18, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Canadian Professional Rodeo Association moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Canadian Professional Rodeo Association, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please follow the confirms on the Articles for Creation template atop the page. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 22:44, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Uricarrillo94 I have your talk page on my Watchlist and saw that you had this new article moved to a draft. Would you like me to help with this article? At least he moved it to a draft rather than nominating for speedy deletion. dawnleelynn^(talk) 01:40, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Help Is Appreciated

Hello, Dawn. I would really appreciate if you could help me with the article. It only seemed right that the Canadian Professional Rodeo Association had its own Wikipedia page. Uricarrillo94 (talk) 02:27, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Vital Records WikiProject

I joined the Vital Records WikiProject about two weeks ago. Its purpose is to select the most notable articles in every subject on Wikipedia and then ensure that they become Featured Articles and that they stay Featured Articles. They are in the selection process right now. No one is making any entries in the Individual Animals section under Cattle. So I have added some entries. See what I mean here: [3].

I really could use your opinion as well so it's not just one person giving their input as to what bulls (or cows) are in this category. I have added the following cattle in this category. Also, the quota is not yet set in this category so we can add more to the list than just the 8 that are there now. Here's what I have so far. And it's just a selection of the most notable cattle in history (and it's not just limited to bucking bulls, any cattle) and it doesn't have to be ordered by first to last. That part doesn't matter. There won't be any list of first to last that I am aware. It's just let's make these featured articles. Some one had added Bodacious; they got that right. I added the rest. I put them in alphabetical order. I included Red Rock because I wanted to have at least one from the ProRodeo Hall of Fame; there are only 7 inducted. Most of them do not have enough material to make a Featured Article. dawnleelynn^(talk) 17:15, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

• Bodacious
• Bushwacker
• Bruiser
• Dillinger
• Elsie the Cow
• Little Yellow Jacket
• Ralphie the Buffalo
• Red Rock

Hello, Dawn. It’s good to know that you added these cattle to the list. They are famous animals in their particular fields and worthy of having their articles featured. If their articles have enough sourced information, they are definitely worth being featured on the files. Uricarrillo94 (talk) 13:40, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look. I have since talked with a couple of editors who are authorities in the project. The Level 5 area where the animals are is still being fleshed out is not set in stone. But they are happy to have my help because I know this area. They also said I can change the quota a bit up or down until it's time to fix it at a set number. And not to worry about source material either, you know how much there is. So I added another bull (Oscar) from the ProRodeo Hall of Fame. One of the editors I also asked about other cattle that were just famous and not bucking bulls (it's a cattle category not a bucking bull category). So I added 4 cows to the list. Also that editor had heard of Bodacious and had seeded the list with him before I got there. Seems to still be true that people who don't rodeo still know Bo. He had also heard of Oscar before too. If you think of further feedback, the list is still fluid for now. dawnleelynn^(talk) 20:29, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Changes to Bull Riding Page

Hello, Dawn. Long time to talk. I hope you are doing great. I recently made some changes to the Wikipedia Bull Riding Page. I added more countries where bull riding takes place. I also put Central America instead of naming all the countries. All seven Central American countries have bull riding, each with different variations. I also removed Argentina from the list. While that country does have its own style of rodeo, there is no bull riding of any kind in its culture. I tried looking online for articles, photos and videos to no avail. I wonder who thought that bull riding exists in Argentina in the first place. I hope you can accept these changes. Uricarrillo94 (talk) 07:03, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Uricarillo, I have missed you and hoped you would be around again. I have not been writing as much the last month as I have had some admin issues going on with my writing. But that is over now, and I will be back to writing. I have the beginnings of an article on Pearl Harbor in my userdraft space. And, since I have joined the wikiproject Women in Red I am also starting up an article on another barrel racer. I also wrote up a short article for writing articles on biographies for rodeo. It's mostly focused on barrel riders, but there are resources in there that would be useful for any event. I looked at the bull writing article. The source for those first two paragraphs is a hard cover book. But, it's also listed on Google. If you follow this link, you will see that it's also listed on Google, where many books are listing and have free previews. You will see that Argentina is indeed in the book. I know, that pain in the butt sourcing, lol! So, I'll let you look at the preview and take a stab at modifying the content there to match the book. Or, feel to find other sources. I keep thinking there is something else I want to ask you. Oh well, when I think of it, I will come back and post a message. Again, good to see you back. dawnleelynn^(talk) 17:41, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

* https://books.google.com/books?id=OOQBZRLRJDcC&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq=Kubke,+Jane+%26+Kubke+Jessica+2006.+%22Bull+Riding%22.+The+Rosen+Publishing+Group&source=bl&ots=QL2wUpvSf1&sig=af4FnndyOqZQo3S8UKcWD1AKDXQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjzyceUua7dAhXl54MKHYzBAssQ6AEwCHoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=Kubke%2C%20Jane%20%26%20Kubke%20Jessica%202006.%20%22Bull%20Riding%22.%20The%20Rosen%20Publishing%20Group&f=fals

Hello, Dawn. Good to hear from you. It’s good to know what you’ve taken part of on Wikipedia. I hope it all works out for you and hope the administrative problems did not cause great stress for you. I’m glad things worked out in the end. I can tell you try very hard to do research on all the rodeo events you come across. I have read small samples of the book you referenced. I went back online and used different wording to search for bull riding in Argentina. It turns out there is bull riding in that country. It’s not the most prominent rodeo event there, but it does indeed happen. So far, I’ve only found three YouTube videos of Argentine bull riding. Uricarrillo94 (talk) 08:19, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Uricarrillo I'm glad you were able to find at least enough to support what was needed for the bull riding article regarding Argentina. It does indeed get harder with other countries. I stay within this country or maybe something in Canada or Mexico or Australia occasionally. I have to confess that any of us can screw up when editing Wikipedia, even though I've been editing two years almost. Some of my paraphrasing when editing turned out to be a little closer to source than it should have. Also, it turns out I trusted this tool called Earwig for checked for copied text, but I shouldn't have. But I say better to find out now when I only have about 30 articles I created than way down the line. There is a user named Blofield who has over 16,000 articles and they have find copyright violations on him, serious ones, ones that I believe were intentional. My issue should be over in a reasonable period of time as many of the other articles I touched on I was only doing editing that isn't the type that can be a violation like fixing broken links, formatting, fixing typing, general copy editing, adding Honors sections, adding or removing categories, and general editing like that. Some call it wikignoming. For some editors, it's all they do really. Not everyone is up for creation of articles or even just editing them. I'm not going to let this discourage me, just learn from it and move on. I'm lucky that I know several editors who are supporting me through this. I did have to rewrite one article, though, the one named American Bucking Bull. But I actually took the opportunity to write a better article than the one from a year ago and took it in some different directions as well. Half of the article is completely new source. Well, October 2 is my two-year anniversary. I hope you are doing well, and remember you can always count on me for support in any fashion. I have my own experience to draw on, as well as my mentor's, who has been here 12 years. We are always happy to help! Talk to you later. :) dawnleelynn^(talk) 21:31, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Additional Changes to Bull Riding Page

Hello, Dawn. I recently made more changes to the Bull Riding Page. This time in regards to Championship Bull Riding (CBR). The whole deal was a bit confusing to me, but I’ll explain what I understood. Back in May, the PBR website put out an article saying that they would produce the 2018 CBR World Finals in Cheyenne, Wyoming. Not only that, but that it would be a one-day event with the PBR having a Touring Pro Division event the day before. Also, that the CBR Bull Team Challenge would now take place at PBR events. It took me a while to realize that 2018 would be CBR’s last season. Since Tuff Hedeman left to start his own tour, I can imagine this did financial damage to CBR. The thing is I don’t know whether to say that Championship Bull Riding is defunct or not. Like I said, the Bull Team Challenge is now a PBR competition, but it appears it is its own separate company. The CBR website is now dedicated to the Bull Team Challenge, but its headquarters is still called “Championship Bull Riding” and the CBR Facebook Page is now called “CBR Bull Team Challenge”. Also, I did a small change to the J.W. Harris page. I put that he competed there from 2009-2014, then again in 2018. Like many top PRCA bull riders, Harris also competed in CBR. He qualified for the CBR Finals from 2009-2011, then again in 2013 and 2014. He competed there in 2012, but as an alternate. When he left the PBR after 2017 to rodeo again, he competed at the first CBR event of 2018. Uricarrillo94 (talk) 00:04, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Uricarrillo94! So nice to see you. You made some great edits and caught a few errors, so thanks a bunch! Good addition to Harris, his article is ongoing since he is still active as you know. It's harder to keep track of him in the PRCA and CBR rather than the PBR. I am having trouble following Proctor and Lee for the same reason too. Three PBR guys all leave the PBR at the same time. I see none of them made the top 15 for the NFR so Sage Kimzey will likely win his 5th championship this year. Harris missed by 1 place. Like you, I'm not quite sure what is happening with the CBR. Cheyenne Frontier Days has no information on their website regarding the two nights that they will be hosting PBR/CBR bull riding. They usually have something all year round, so that is no help. I know that you cognizant of the fact that we have to document the new entities and changes while also keeping the history of the old ones. The article entitled "Championship Bull Riding" will continue to exist. Whether it gets changed to a new name and says "formerly Championship Bull Riding" like some other entities is still unclear at this time. Should the new Bull Team entity get its own article or take over the former CBR page? That's a good question. It's not as complicated as the PBR tours were. There are not over 150 articles pointing to it and many other issues that had. I don't believe every article should be handled the same way; we should do what is best for it. I'm going to have to do some research when I have more time. A quick search didn't reveal much. There are many external and see also links to the CBR article, for example. There are references to CBR in many bull riding articles, as you already know. Let's make sure we handle them well. The only article that I might have handled it a little bit differently is in the Rodeo article. Rather than removing it, change it to a reference about CBR in the past, etc. If you are unsure about how to doc anything regarding the CBR, please ask...the important thing to remember is just that this is an encyclopedia so we don't remove what is becoming past history, we just add new things to it. But, on the other hand, obviously some things have to change, like a URL that no longer points to the same thing anymore. I'll post back here tomorrow when I've more time to look at everything. Please feel free to give your views! I am not as active right now and you've learned a lot--so this should be a collaborative effort. dawnleelynn^(talk) 03:00, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Dawn. It’s a real bummer that J. W. Harris just missed qualifying for the NFR this year. He’s one of the best, and I hope he gets to qualify at least one more time before he decides to hang it up. He actually competed at the very first Tuff Hedeman Bull Riding Tour event in El Paso, Texas this year. He placed in the top 10. As far as I know, that is the only THBR event he competed in this year, and it’s yet to be known if he’ll be a regular on that tour. Shane Proctor missed his goal this season to qualify for the NFR in the bull riding and one of the bronc riding events. He missed more than a month during the summer because of injury, costing him competing at the most important rodeos of that season. I hope he reaches his goal in the future. Mike Lee was greatly injured at a Tuff Hedeman Bull Riding Tour event in Huron, South Dakota. He’ll likely miss the rest of the season, meaning he’ll miss the inaugural Tuff Hedeman Bull Riding Tour Finals. It sucks since he won an event on the tour this year, and was a consistent event placer. Speaking of Tuff Hedeman, in my last commentary, I made it seem as though he solely was responsible for CBR’s demise. That wasn’t my intention. There are a number of reasons why CBR went the way it did, but I do not want to speculate of what they were. The Wikipedia CBR page should stay. Like I said, it seems like the bull team challenge is its own little company within the PBR. It is still called “Championship Bull Riding” on its website. The CBR bull team challenge started in the PBR this September at the Velocity Tour. As of now, these bull team challenges are taking place at select lower level PBR events. It is yet to be seen if they will also take place at premier series events in the future. As more information comes along, then we can add more edits. We should be patient. I look forward to seeing what new stuff comes up.Uricarrillo94 talk 05:11, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for all that great information. You are way ahead of me. You are right about everything, we need to wait and be patient. Although there is much information that has become unsourced. I will give you one example because I am not sure you have used archive links before. On Bonner Bolton's article (an editor created a stub for his Dancing with the Stars performance, and I added everything else), I made links to the CBR web site. Most notable to his profile on CBR. The CBR website has been backed many times to the Internet Archive Wayback Machine. (https://archive.org/web/) It's a great way to ensure that you can still use a web page even after the owner has removed the live site. So, these links that are the citations for the information I added for Bolton are available to use on his article. I went in to use one so you could see what I did. I replaced his profile link to the now changed live site with an archive link to the saved site in the Wayback Machine. Here's the home page of the CBR in the Wayback site: [4]. Here's the saved site location of Bonner's profile in the Wayback Machine: [5]. Now we just need to decide when we should update all of the bull riders and bull riding pages with links to the Wayback Machine. Look at the article diffs to see what I did. I think you have seen this actually as I used links to the old pbrnow.com website in the Wayback Machine. That's the same thing. Anyway, you are obviously more on top of this. I think you should lead the changes. Now regarding the rodeo, that was very helpful information as well as interesting regarding the three men. I did see Mike mention his injury on his Twitter or Facebook briefly. I had no idea about Proctor though. I saw him compete two years ago down here in Cheyenne, in bull riding. Every now and then I'll get to see bulls or cowboys I know on the day I attend. Also saw in the last couple years Cooper Tires Brown Sugar, Marco Eguchi and Jack Daniels After Party. I found out Smooth Operator was down here a couple times but not until after the fact. Bummed I could not see him. That bull has been one of my favorites since 2015. He is performing the best he ever has out of any year from 2014-2018, even better than the beginning of 2015 (per his June Month of the Bulls video). They keep saying he's in third place. But that's only because they put Pearl Harbor (bull) back in the rankings. Also, I think Pacheco may actually win it this year. Oh, and the list is too long to mention all the cowboys and cowgirls I see when I go to slack. I take pictures at slack cause you can get a lot closer. The picture in Ryan Jarrett's article is mine. Well, I'll try to find sources for the guys to add the things you told me about to their articles and you can too. I encourage you, don't be afraid to Be Bold WP:BOLD! Happy Trails dawnleelynn^(talk) 19:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh, yes forgot to mention. I was excited about Proctor and the prospect of a roughstock all-around cowboy again. And, in some places where CBR is mentioned, and we are deciding to leave historically, it might just do to leave the name and just remove the wikilink. Which is probably what I will do in Bolton's article for example. Oh did you notice my revert on Mike Lee's "nickname" inside the bold article name? I added a link to the policy page explaining why we don't do this. That's the second time I've had to do it, so it's something to keep a watch for. If it happens again and you see it, you can use the same edit summary that I did, only I meant the policy link to be live. Thanks! dawnleelynn^(talk) 19:49, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Canadian Professional Rodeo Association

I see the Canadian Professional Rodeo Association draft was deleted because the deadline came and went without any activity to finish it. This one is my bad; I told you I would work on it. But I missed putting it on my todo list it seems. However, there is an opportunity to restore it in the deletion notice. Would you like me to restore it and work on it? We still should have the article and represent Canadian rodeo. Let me know. I'll make sure it doesn't fall off again. It shouldn't take that long to at least make the minimum requirement for an article. Sorry about that. dawnleelynn^(talk) 20:18, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Dawn. I can imagine you have been busy with other things, so don’t feel bad about the Canadian Professional Rodeo Association article. I’m sure it can be made in the future. Uricarrillo94 (talk) 23:50, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

You've probably seen that this article has been changed several times in your Watchlist? Feel free to make some contributions anytime. There's lot of source so you don't have to worry about that. In the Media Guide, there are more champions and such to be added. And, a section could be added for the hall of fame inductees. We can pretty much follow a table structure the same as the PRCA. Anyway, I will add to it here and there, the important part to get the article approved has been added. I said I would do it, so I did... It wasn't a problem since the sources were good. And I added the logo. I won't be offended if you change anything I wrote, quite the opposite. Okay, talk to you later. Happy Trails! dawnleelynn^(talk) 22:16, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Past Bull Riding Tours

Hello, Dawn. I recently added a section to the Bull Riding Page in its North America section. It involves prestigious bull riding tours from the past: Bull Riders Only (BRO) and Championship Bull Riding (CBR). I added brief historical summaries to both of them. Since CBR already has its own Wikipedia page, I feel BRO deserves its own as well. The thing is, BRO’s history is more hard to come by. I know some of its history, but not much. Also, I think we can say that CBR is indeed defunct. I figured that the actual name of the bull team challenge is the “Million Dollar Bull Team Challenge” as it says on its website. I would say that it deserves its own Wikipedia Page, entitled “Bull Team Challenge” since it may change its name in the future. I hope you can accept these additions. Uricarrillo94 (talk) 23:46, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Uricarillo, I will be getting back to you tomorrow, but suffice it to say I am glad to see you being bold in the bull riding pages. If you need some help with sources, I am happy to do so. The only thing I wanted to add tonight is this example of how a defunct entity was treated in Wikipedia. It's a good example of how we need to treat the CBR article. The Spectrum (arena) in Philadelphia was demolished and yet it still has a detailed and long article on it. Yes, it's the one where the Rocky statue was located in front of it when it wasn't in front of the Philadelphia Museum of Art. So, basically we need to turn the CBR page into the past tense obviously, but it's more than that. We'll have to point links to the Wayback Machine and probably remove some links too. Even its link to the official website in the infobox can be pointed to a link in the Wayback Machine. I just thought I would give this example and not always have it be my word that Wikipedia keeps the history of entities. The article even keeps track of all the name changes of the arena. Good stuff... dawnleelynn^(talk) 03:46, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I added some sources to the section on CBR in the Cheyenne Frontier Days article. We still need a source on how the CBR ended for it and also for the CBR article. Hopefully, something will be published by the powers that be soon. In the meantime, I will work on converted existing sources for CBR over to the archive links in the Wayback Machine as previously discussed. Also, I just gathered a number of sources for your BRO article. Take a look through these and see if we can support an article. I may also have some source in a rodeo book from the library here. See the Fried Twinkies... link. I have that book available to me from the library. I actually have it checked out right now, so I'll peruse it based on the Google preview. Remember that you need third party sources when you create an article. We can move these sources to the article talk page when you create it.

Sources:

• Professional Bull Riders - Heroes & Legends: David Fournier
• Bull Riders, Inc: BRI Share Holder Blake Burns
• Mid-South Horse Review
• That Ain’t No Bull…That’s Bodacious!
• Fried Twinkies, Buckle Bunnies, & Bull Riders: A Year Inside the ... - Josh Peter - Google Books
• RICHARD RULE Obituary - Loveland, CO | Oklahoman
• Cowboy Christians - Marie W. Dallam - Google Books
• 5-time World Champion Bull Rider Terry Don West Recounts His Career - Okmulgee News Network
• American Cowboy - Google Books
• American Cowboy - Google Books
• Rodeo_Brochure.pdf
• Professional Bull Riders - Heroes and Legends: Michael Gaffney
• History of Professional Bull Riders Inc. – FundingUniverse
• THE BUCK DOESN'T STOP HERE - Chicago Tribune
• PRCA rodeo plays to a packed house | Local Sports | rapidcityjournal.com

Ok, wasn't paying attention and I put these bookmarks in backwards. The URL should come first. I will fix it later...dawnleelynn^(talk) 22:07, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Dawn. I just created the Bull Riders Only (BRO) Wikipedia page, but I could really use some help. The page is has not been accepted as official, and I struggle with citations. I hope you can help me with that. The first paragraph just talks about how the organization was founded and the citation for that should be the FundingUniverse article. The second paragraph talks about top PRCA bull riders competing in BRO events, and also what channels BRO events were televised in. On YouTube, there a number of BRO videos. One is titled, “Bull Riders Only-Bucking Bulls” that shows a BRO event televised on ESPN. Another YouTube video titled “NFR & Bull Riders Only” Shows the 1996 BRO world finals on Fox. The first half is of the 1993 NFR bull riding, but the second half is of the BRO event. I hope these videos can be used as citations. The entire third paragraph is about where each annnual BRO world finals took place. There is a YouTube video titled “Wrangler Bull Riders Only-Best of Final Rounds”. It is an old VHS tape highlighting the 1991-1994 BRO world finals short rounds. I hope it can be used to cite the world finals paragraph. The fourth paragraph is about what caused top bull riders to form the PBR, and for that I hope the “Fried Twinkies” book section can be used. The final paragraph talks about BRO’s demise and I hope somehow the FundingUniverse article can be used to cite it. Where it talks about the 1996 world finals being a factor in BRO going out of business is something I learned from an old PBR documentary called “This Is Not A Rodeo”. I hope you can help me out when you have a chance. I felt the BRO Wikipedia page needed to be made because, a number of people think the PBR was the beginning of stand-alone bull riding when that is not the case. If it was not for BRO, and previously before that with unsanctioned bull riding events, the PBR would probably have never existed.

Hi Uricarillo!

Nice research on this. Of course I will help you with it. I can start sometime later today. I am happy to see some of those links I found can be useful for this. I will also tell you how to start a userdraft in your own userspace later so you don't have to have an editor keep moving your articles out of mainspace into drafts. That way, they will not be under expiration dates, and you can move them into mainspace yourself when they are ready. Of course, they will still be reviewed by an editor to ensure they meet certain policies like notability, citations, etc. Also, I knew about BRO from mentions in Bodacious articles, but I did not know about their history prior to the PBR. So, I agree, it's important. Using videos as citations is not optimal, but has been done. I will look at it. Hopefully they are not copyright violations. dawnleelynn^(talk) 21:37, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Dawn. I really appreciate your help. It means a lot. I would also appreciate it if you could add BRO’s logo as well. I went to google and could only find two copies of the Bull Riders Only logo. Neither of which is completely unaltered. The BRO logo is of a horned bull with the front legs in the air and “BULL RIDERS ONLY” emboldened on the bottom. One has the logo, but with visibly faded lettering in the middle, and the other is the logo, but with dots spread around. I was hoping you could add the second version of the altered logo, since it’s the closest to the original. Also, I have no idea where BRO was headquartered, so I just skipped that part. I very much appreciate your help, Dawn. Also, I don’t know if BRO had a finals event for 1997. Maybe the organization was so broke, that they did not have one, but I can’t definitively say that. I do what I can and it means a lot for you to help with what I struggle with here on Wikipedia. Uricarrillo94 (talk) 23:04, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I didn't have as much time tonight as I thought. But I'll have some tomorrow for sure. I did add some of the citations. I didn't get to look up the correct pages in the Fried Twinkies book, it just says pages 104-105 because I copied that in from the American Bucking Bull article. I will change it tomorrow. I added a references section for the citations. I need more time than what I had tonight to look at the videos but the other citations are added. Regarding your question about the logo, we are not allowed to have non-free content in draft articles or in our userspace at all. No copyrighted graphics, categories, or wikiprojects are allowed in userdrafts or userspace. If you put it in, an editor will come and remove it. A logo is non-free content. We are only allowed to use a logo as fair use on the company's article. I'll do the logo and put it in Wikipedia so it's ready; we just can't add it to the article yet. Talk some more tomorrow, thanks. dawnleelynn^(talk) 03:48, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Dawn. Thanks from the information. I recently edited the Bull Riding page again. I shortened the part that talks about BRO and CBR. Since the main bull riding Page is just a summary and not detailed about organizations, riders, bulls, etc., I just put that BRO and CBR were organizations that top bull riders also competed in. Since BRO is indeed defunct, I put the years it lasted, and with CBR, I just put the years on which the organization put on events. I went back and re-read the article that talked about the PBR producing the 2018 CBR World Finals, and saw that it said it had read a multi-year agreement with CBR. If an organization is defunct, how can it reach a deal with another organization? So, I just rewrote it the way I did. Like I said before, I can’t definitively say that CBR is indeed defunct. The Bull Team Challenge website says the headquarters is still called “Championship Bull Riding”. If anyone wants to read about those organizations in detail, they can just click on their Wikipedia articles. Also, I wanted to thank you for your work on the Canadian Professional Rodeo Association article. It looks great. I fixed a few typos, if you don’t mind. Also, I was wondering if you could somehow put the logos of the Australian Professional Rodeo Association and Federacion Mexicana de Rodeo (Mexican Rodeo Federation) in their respected articles. Thank You Very Much and hope to hear from you soon.

Hi Uricarillo. I am glad you are happy with the CPRA article. As I mentioned in that section, it can still use a little work. As time permits, addition of more champions from previous years and the hall of fame inductees. But more urgently, the event section needs the remaining events to have their sections filled in. There are two citations where events are described in great detail. As I have time, I will write up original summaries from them like the existing two events that are filled in. If you can help, great. If not, that's fine too. I will get to it as I can. At some point, I will also look at trying to add citations to those new sections in the Bull riding article as well. As for the BRO article, I will look at those videos for the citations tomorrow. It will still need work after that for it to become ready to be a mainspace article. Right now, it's the size of a stub article and may need some more third-party citations. Sorry I have not been able to work on Wikipedia with my usual vigor lately, but I will get to these things. Also tomorrow I can add those logos for you. I will also look at other assorted items mentioned. Thanks for your patience. dawnleelynn^(talk) 03:22, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

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Bodacious Page

Hello, Dawn. I recently made a few changes to the Bodacious Page. I put that the BRO event in Long Beach, California between Bodacious and Tuff Hedeman was the 1993 BRO World Finals. The ride is included on the YouTube video of the BRO World Finals Championship round highlights of 1991 to 1994, as well as separately of that one ride on YouTube. If it had not been for that old highlight VHS tape being uploaded to YouTube, I would have never known it was the World Finals and not a regular season event. Also, I put that Bodacious bucked off Brent Thurman at the 1994 BRO World Finals in Denver, Colorado, during the Championship round. That ride is also included on the 1991-1994 BRO World Finals tape on YouTube, as well as separately. I’ve noticed that you have cited many matchups against Bodacious, and the ride with Brent Thurman is also available separately on YouTube. Just type Brent Thurman vs. Bodacious. I just made these changes to add what was missing that I knew about. Thank You Very Much! Uricarrillo94 (talk) 04:24, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Also, Dawn. I also made changes to the section that talks about the match-ups between Clint Branger and Jerome Davis in Guthrie, Oklahoma. From 1994 to 1998, the PBR Premier Series had two events in Guthrie, one in the winter and one in the summer. The 1995 ride with Clint Branger was the one in January. I know this because, Clint himself as well as the riders behind the chutes and also the chute workers are all wearing felt hats. That ride is available on YouTube. Unfortunately, the Jerome Davis buck-off by itself is not available on YouTube, but I know this was the Guthrie event in September because, I saw the ride myself, but in a small sampling of an old PBR documentary. The ride itself is available on a YouTube video entitled, “bodacious bull riding” with all lowercased letters. The thumbnail is of Tuff Hedeman on a hospital bed with a swollen face. Some rides of the September 1995 PBR event in Guthrie is available on YouTube, but not the Jerome Davis one. I know this was the September one because, Jerome Davis was wearing a straw hat, and the videos of the other rides has the riders as well as the majority of the riders behind the chutes and also the chute workers wearing straw hats. Back then, it was hard for the records of rides to be kept, and I can see it was easy to confuse two different events that took place in the same city.

Hi Uricarillo, some great stuff to be added for sure, I appreciate your knowledge in these matters, which surely outstrips mine. Frustrating to find sources on these I know. I have been working on it in between other things I have to do in my real life. It has also been made more complicated because your edits seem to have emboldened another editor of old who is knowledgeable but refuses to use sources. And all of these edits are done in spurts of 3-4 rather than in one edit which is all that should be required for the size of the edits that are being made. I know some editors that do this to increase their edit count for prestige. But rather doubt that is the case here. Anyway, this editor I speak of made changes in Unleash the Beast Series and I had a couple questions for you on it in the talk page if you would. I'll be getting back to looking for sources in a bit. I have things to do. Oh there goes that Bodacious page again. I'm never going to be able to track it if he constantly keeps making edits. ... I haven't even gotten to all yours. Also, I wrote a message on [[Tuff Hedeman]'s talk page to you. Thanks! dawnleelynn^(talk) 21:09, 26 October 2018 (UTC) p.s. I need some time to catch up with Bodacious from you too, sorry!

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Hi Uricarillo94, I had this draft article on my Watchlist. Sorry to see this got declined. I will see if anything can be done to rescue it. Like I did for the CPRA article. I know there are not a lot of resources for it. But I think I saw some more info on it last time I had the "Fried Twinkies..." book checked out from the library. Also, I have free accounts through Wikipedia (otherwise expensive) with newspapers.com and newspaper archive.com and might be able to find sources there. I also know some editors who have been around a long time I can ask. dawnleelynn^(talk) 00:13, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Uricarrillo94 I took a look today. I started by doing a search through my bookmarks (I have thousands). I found a folder called "BRO". I must have done this months ago. I have around 20 bookmarks or so on BRO. Did I tell you I would add to this draft for you? I can't recall. I have so many things that I didn't get to because of that issue with copyright. Sorry! I have these bookmarks now so I will work on it this week and I should be able to get a small article together for you. You should really ping me about things like this if I drop the ball. I really don't mind. So, I also need to update Bruiser's article with all the PBR Finals results, since he just made history. Talk to you soon, I hope. And you can add that BRO redlink back to Bull riding. Happy Trails! dawnleelynn^(talk) 22:29, 8 December 2018 (UTC)