Utunga
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I was only reverting stuff that I felt was vandalism; I wasn't adding any content at all. The page had been vandalised and I felt a version was needed before the warring started. Your comments are completely out of context, and I demand I am not implicated in this mess anymore. I was simply reverting, and I have three points stated against me that imply I have anything but a possibly mistaken reversion to do with the article. The Evil Clown my contributions 01:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
- It's ok. I was a bit surprised at first, because I didn't recollect even editing that page. By the way, did you feel I was "biting" (being too harsh) you at all? The Evil Clown my contributions 20:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
The macron debate
editJust a note that you comments are appreciated. There are certainly some entrenched views in this debate, some of them long-time editors citing Wikipedia policies to support their preconceptions. For what it's worth, we may eventually get out of this some criterion for deciding when to switch an article title to show a macron; it's going to be a hard sell to convince people that macrons should be used 100% of the time, even in cases where almost no current reliable sources use macrons, but that's up for discussion. Certainly most of the arguments being produced against macrons are bogus, as well as the criteria for deciding whether they're in "common use" or not. I think a) those of us in favour of macrons need to regroup and come up with a clear policy-supported justification, b) propose a policy change the legit way with the help of a sympathetic experienced editor, and c) do some real-world activism to get more use of macrons! Let's chat about this when I'm based down in Wellington if you like. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 05:46, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- I bumped up against this issue (and backed away slowly, keeping my hands visible at all times) recently when working with some regional articles that were affected by the 2014 settlement name changes (see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_New_Zealand/Māori_task_force#Tōtaranui_uses). WP being WP, I suspect a very simple ruleset is going to be required (probably "whatever LINZ says") to make any kind of sweeping changes. I do worry about the amount of editor time such debates consume that could otherwise be spent on content. I also suspect, even while it enshrines neutrality, WP has a significant cultural impact in perpetuating the status quo. I bet you'd start seeing macrons more often in news coverage if the Wikipedia article titles contained 'em!
- Time may take care of some of it for us. Take Stewart Island, for example... that talk page has a good many discussions over the years about moving back and forth from
Stewart Island / Rakiura
. Nowadays, a casual search reveals plenty of hits for Rakiura on the first page, so WP:COMMONNAME becomes more of a friend. - At the very least, I'd like to see the new official names consistently appear in the bolded portion of ledes, as at Queen Charlotte Sound (New Zealand). I think you'll find there are other like-minded editors out there, who probably don't spend much time tracking WikiProject discussions. Basie (talk) 22:31, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
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