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• SNP L147.1+ is a lineage that is the majority of the Semitic subclade J1-P58 of [[Haplogroup J1]]) and was spread by the Arab conquest of 7th century that spread it to North Africa.
• have YCAII=22-22 are inside L-147.1+ meaning they are L147.1+ positive ie they have this mutation).

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I've reverted your edits on DNA because anything to do with DNA has to come from peer-reviewed scientific sources (which your sources are not) and must mention the Ishmaelites directly (see WP:VERIFY. As you are new no one would expect you to know about our guidelines and policies in this area. WP:RSN is also useful in identifying sources. Dougweller (talk) 06:52, 22 June 2013 (UTC) I am a medical doctor and I see these references quite scientific.

The Coffman article is the most cited article in all genetic geneology research. her work as an attorney requires her to understand the subject for legal matters such as if two are brothers or not etc.

Semino et al 2004 is not peer reviewed?? these are the top notch! after all genetic geneology is simple 10 years old boy understanding. I really don't have time to edit warring, so i added the studies that coffman refered to in her article.Valentino2013 (talk) 09:19, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Valentino your edits go beyond anything published as far as I can see. For example where can we find any published article which insists on calling a 22-22 result in YCAII (looked at in isolation) as a marker of a clade of J1? Using STRs to try to find clades has to be done by looking at many STRs at once, and preferably also at SNP test results. And to be honest I do not think 10 year old boys all typically get this.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 15:14, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

22-22 is just a one str marker, However it is very slow to change 1 in 5000 births or 1 in 5000 sons of a one man or once in 5000 generation. WELL! DID YOU NOT SEE THE REFERENCE Semino et al study? do you think you know more than the people of that study? almost 95% of the Arab clade L147 is 22-22 by testing. can you explain that ?Valentino2013 (talk) 02:18, 24 June 2013 (UTC) So if Ishmael who lived 4000 years ago (ie just 110 generations) most of his current descendents will be 22-22. It is only the 22-22 inside of Haplogroup J1 that makes it a subclade. because it is unlikely that J1-peoples of different YCAII numbers to decide among themselves that just the ones who are 22-22 should immigrate to the desert and become arabs! The fact that J1 have subclade J-p58 it is 99.9999% of J1 , only three people are found in every other subclade. that does not even constitute a subclade. P58 contains the L147 subclade which is again 99.99% of J1 now in L147 there are the assyrians the caldeans the ethiopians who were existant before abraham was born have all kinds of varieties, but Abraham (and Aaron) had one swtatic haplotype that all decendents of them should cluster around it.

what ever ycaII FOR ABRAHAM it will stay the same with minute cluster around it like 22-21 but 22-19 is too much because 19 to 22 is 3 mutations the peobability for first mutation is 1 in 500 the second mutation probability is astronomical 1 in millions.. The article of Semino mentions that 22-22 is a monophyletic clade.

In wikipedia they have article Y-chromosomal Aaron. they decided it must be in J1 just because Arabs have high J1 (without making anystudies) if you go to Family tree DNA the results are 95% J1 and Family tree test J1 more than all the other lqabs and research in the world combined. Coffman article is valid because it is a compilation of all previous studies before 2005 and so it is cited as reference in almost all studies after 2005. So if the researchers reference it why can't wiki? The Arab DNA website do MRCA between two arabs and it is always below 3700 years (before present). there is a simple calculator on the web that can give MRCA between 2 haplotypes and the same calculator can tell you the Haplogroup probabilities for 6 str haplotype input.

STR is used in forensic and intelligence for 50 years or more. they could tell if the dna is male or female , native american or white or black or arabic etc. the research of Semino is no joke because it is used for for forensics, not like other studies that are paid for in advance ...Valentino2013 (talk) 01:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Semino et al did not mention L147 or Ishmael etc etc. Please see WP:OR. You are also misunderstanding how researchers use individual STRs. They are used to help identify clades, along with other results, and our article currently tries to express this. But they do not define clades in the way you are saying. If you just look for a single result of YCAII=22-22 it is very common for example amongst British men who are in haplogroup R1b. --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 05:18, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Another nuance you seem to be missing. There is a big difference between saying that a particular haplogroup was probably spread by a known historical dispersal of people, (in the way that published sources talk about J1 and the Islamic expansion as a probable link), and saying or implying that true Arabs are J1.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 08:20, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

There are lots of articles about the Most recent common ancestor of R1b and R1a1 5000 years ago. why do you mind here> and this article about Ishmaelites who claim they decend from Abraham, so DNA geneology is warranted. L147 is the same as Cohan modal haplotype it is in the reference (euwikia genetics I provided. the YCAII inside of J1 only is a monophyletic not YCAII anywhere else. and this referenced by Semino et al (i refere3nced, all you need is to read it pdf), and the calculations for the most recent common ancestor for jews and arabs is in the study of Kosylov where he mentions Abraham. Nebet et al says that documented history like in Ephal 1984 book where he mentions the assyrians mentions the arabs are ishmaelites is referenced in his study whic I referenced. semino " Considering the distribution of this YCAII sin- gle-banded pattern—which, besides the usual stepwise mutational mechanism, could be due to a stable mu- tational event (one locus deletion or a single-nucleotide mutation in the primer sequence)—we suggest that the motif YCAIIa22-YCAIIb22 potentially characterizes a monophyletic clade of J-M267. A comparable situation isobservedwithinHgI-M170,inwhichthesingle-banded haplotype YCAIIa21-YCAIIb21 parallels a biallelic marker" nebel et al "Documented historical events, references 10 books (ephal 1984 mention of Arabs as Ishmaelites in the Assyrian records from the 9th century B.C., and the ancient claim of the Bible and Arabs they are descendents of Ishmael and Abraham and speak their own language ), together with the finding of a particular J1 haplotype in Yemenis, Palestinians, and NW Africans as a result of the 7th century Arab conquest, are suggestive of a recent common origin of these chromosomes." recent means less than 4000 years in DNA geneology! and common origin means one male person. Koslyov: ""Origin of peoples in a context of DNA genealogy is an assignment of each of them to a particular tribe or its branch (lineage) initiated in a genealogical sense by a particular ancestor who had a base (“ancestral”) haplotype. This also includes an estimation of a time span between the common ancestor and its current descendants.

If information obtained this way can be presented in a historical context and supported, even arguably, by other independent archeological, linguistic, historical, ethnographic, anthropological and other related considerations, this can be called a success." and he calculated the Most recent common ancestor of jews and arabs as he did for several peoples in the article "the most recent common ancestor of Jews and Arabs of haplogroup J1 (subclade J1e) lived 4300 500 years ago, and he had the "J1 Abraham Modal Haplotype", former "Cohen Modal Haplotype" signature. From him a split occurred between the Jewish and the Arabic lineages in haplogroup J1 (J1e*)" I did not add anything from my self. see here Kolsyov web page and he is a landmark of genetic geneology and math and chemistry http://aklyosov.home.comcast.net/~aklyosov/ he even got a gold medqal from cohanim jews. do you want me to put these large statements instead?Valentino2013 (talk) 15:50, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

• Semino et al does not mention L147. It was not even discovered then.
• The YCAII=22-22 cluster is already mentioned in the article. (You even tried to delete it.) So no one is denying it exists.
• Your own research should be published elsewhere before you try to get it on Wikipedia.
• euwikia and most wikis do not count as sources we should use on Wikipedia.
• Klyosov is also known to me and he is a smart guy (though not a geneticist). I have used him before on Wikipedia and been criticized for it. Problem is that he does not get published in the strongest journals, and he tends to make striking pronouncements. This automatically makes it difficult to cite him according to the WP:REDFLAG rule.

Your problem relates not only to sourcing but the way you edit. You report your sources in a way which does not show good understanding of them, and you do not edit well or carefully. For example equating one STR result to a clade definition, or writing as if you can equate a people with a Y haplogroup. I would suggest taking your time to right drafts of what you want to say on article Talk Pages. There is no WP:Deadline so do not rush.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 20:00, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

THE reference to L147.1 was in my ref Eupedia.com http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J1_Y-DNA.shtml which was deleted, you delete my ref and then ask where is the ref?? eupedia says L147.1 include 22-22 and CMH information they got from FTDNA. eupedia.com is a valid ref according to wikipedia.Valentino2013 (talk) 21:02, 30 June 2013 (UTC) Nebel et al refered to several books that mention documented history namely the Assyrian records which mention 8 kings of Qedarites on span of 200 years, some time King Ubate is called king of the Arabs, few years later he is called king of Ishmael, and so on for several kings ARABS=Ishmael=Qedar (the son of Ishmael) Nebel says because of this and other facts such as the 7th century arabic conquest of north africa, and then by DNA genealogy finding the Haplotype of The Arab palestinians in Yemen and in Morocco, he says the arabs have a claim of a recent ancestor (less than 4000 years) and the dna eidence that this haplotype have a recent common ancestor, then arabs story about being from Ishmael is true. It is based on this study that Nebel and Hammaer saved face when the world discovered their deception about CMH which was found in two deep haplotypes J1 and J2 and even Q, so they wanted to preserve the CMH in J1 by comparing it to the arabs who were by then knwon to be high in j1.21:13, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

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Concerning eupedia, no I do not think it is acceptable according to Wikipedia. You can post a question about it at WP:RSN, but I think the rules are pretty clear. This is an online user-generated source with no clear professional editorial team. See WP:SPS. Concerning the Nebel source, what you are describing means that you have no single source which connects J1 with Ishmael. Just because one source cites another source does not mean we can combine them ourselves. Consider WP:SYNTH.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 07:08, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

And there is absolutely no way Wikipedia can state that Ishmael, Adam, Aaron or Abraham actually existed. Thus we can only say that according to tradition Ishmael is an ancestor of some Arab tribes or something like that. Dougweller (talk) 14:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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See WP:RSN#Can these sources be used to genetically trace Arabs (or rather 'Ishmaelite Arabs') to Abraham? and please respond there. Dougweller (talk) 16:40, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

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I did put semino 2004Valentino2013 (talk) 20:58, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

haplogroup P209 is Haplogroup J started 40,000 years a go and branched into J2 20,000 years ago (making the Greek, The Roman, The Celts, The Kurds, the Afgan , The Iranians, The Hindu, each one with a different branch from J2.

J1 should be used instead of JM267, actually M267 is an old SNP is replaced by many snps to define j1 is easy to remember, and will easily differentiate from J2 ( instead of saying J-P209 etc)

the subclades are arranged as if parallel each other instead of being subclades of other subclades. The previous editors misunderstood the studies they refer to and add their own interpretation and mix. this J1 haplogroup page should be tagged as more attention by specialists.20:58, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

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what is the copyright material I added to wikipedia?Valentino2013 (talk) 16:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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I think you would be much better off adding an ISOGG section to the genetic genealogy article. ISOGG is after all more of a club than anything else. --RebekahThorn (talk) 12:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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Hello Valentino2013,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged J1-P58 for deletion, because it doesn't appear to contain any encyclopedic content. Take a look at our suggestions for essential content in short articles to learn what should be included.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. 069952497a^{Comments and complaints}_{Stuff I've done} 14:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC) I did not fill it with encyclopedic content , you should give me few days and I will make 100 pages usefull for people who come to wikipedia for help. I refer to the Wiki order not to delete well references material and the well made citations which I was being attacked by deletion every where I edit.Valentino2013 (talk) 15:14, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of J-P58

Hello Valentino2013,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged J-P58 for deletion, because it doesn't appear to contain any encyclopedic content. Take a look at our suggestions for essential content in short articles to learn what should be included.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. 069952497a^{Comments and complaints}_{Stuff I've done} 14:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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Your recent editing history at Ishmaelites shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. Dougweller (talk) 16:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I never deleted any of your edits or any other's you are deleting my edits and I am returning them back because they conform to wikipedia guidelines, even if the subject matter is disliked by some.

I would prefer to collect the differentials where you and lankaster deleted my edits so many times. this will take less time then reworking my edits. and why do you delete the whole section instead of deleting the part that you don't approve or you think it is OR or not referenced, you should put template citation needed and give me a grace time of 10 days as required by wiki. The Current Arabs claim they are sins of Ishmael and this was proved by the assyrian records who alternately called the king of Qedar as the king of Ishmael and some times as king of arabs, and this was repeated many times for centuries in those records, they are plenty of such records. The material I provided in genetic genealogy is pure science, I have nothing to affect scientific studies. I report what the reference says onlyValentino2013 (talk) 16:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Persistent copyright violations

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Dougweller (talk) 16:30, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for edit warring, copyright violations, disruptive editing, improper use of sources, and general lack of competence as an editor. In reviewing the disputes you have become embroiled in it is apparent that you do not understand copyright issues; that you have a specific agenda that you are attempting to edit into articles relating to the literal truth of religious traditions related to the Quran; that you do not possess sufficient competence with English to understand policies and guidelines relevant to your editing; and that you do not possess sufficient competence in English to persuade other editors. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

—Kww(talk) 18:17, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Valentino2013 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I was doing good job editing in the field of genetic genealogy ( I am a MD with MPH degrees and professional epidemiologist), however Dougweller and Lankester delete the complete section I made in Ishmaelites, I had a reference for the alleged copyright violations but it was deleted without my knowledge because of the repeated deletions see here the differentials [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] and see the reference that I had for the alleged copyright violation here [8] ellen levy-coffman- citation for the copyvio was deleted by the complainer herself Dougweller!) Also, Can you see incompetence or no knowledge of the subject in my deleted edits shown in the differentials I supplied above?and here in genetic section of ismaelites page==> [9] Actually according to wiki guidelines well made citations should not be deleted (see my citations to research articles journal etc) as for the claim I added the word Ishmael not mmentioned specifically in Nebel study, I did provide the quotations from the studies showing he was indeed mentioned to the non reliable notice board they directed me to!!see quotation again here--"162 mutations on 25 markers, which gives 4,125±525 years to a common ancestor, slightly older that age of the branch without those three haplotypes. This time period is close to that of the legendary Biblical split into the Jewish and the Arab lineages of the Abrahamic tribes,"..."the most recent common ancestor of Jews and Arabs of haplogroup J1 (subclade J1e) lived 4300+-500 years ago, and he had the "J1 Abraham Modal Haplotype", former "Cohen Modal Haplotype" signature. From him a split occurred between the Jewish and the Arabic lineages in haplogroup J1 (J1e*)They .... The split was, judging from the sharpness of parting of their DNA genealogical lineages, quite a decisive one. The story of Abraham and his siblings, Ishmael, and Isaac and Jacob, the patriarchs of the Arabs and the Jews, respectively"<=this quotation is from the study not on the wikipage, and there is more like that. As for the complain on my edit on Haplogroup J-267, please see diff [10], you see I deleted a good chunk that has three erronous mistakes that makes wiki a laughing stock, first the word Cluster, then DYS388=13 is typical, third UCAII as a cluster. the study said YCAii=22-22 motif meaning only 22-22, please consult with an expert about this edit. it was warranted and my edit had citations to Semino et al which mentioned 22-22 as a motif ,which was restated by the study (chiaroni et al) Lankaster claim it reference all erronus 3-mistakes-block, the study he cited did not say any of that but said this--" It is noted that the J1* chromosomes frequently appear in combination with the 12 or 13 repeat pattern at DYS388, whereas the J1e chromosomes almost always display 15 or more repeats! (Now lankaster knows from the page J1e is 99% of J1 while J1* is the remainder! this is repeated almost in all J1 studies and in the wikipage itself!!), Plus the page title is J-m267 I added it is also known as J1, he deleted that so I redirected J1 to J-m267. Now the title is J-m267 but few lines down you see diagrams and tables about J1 and J2! .Now people think J1 and J2 are part of J-m267! and people who are J2 think they got the semitic clade P58 because it is 99% of J-m267 as mentioned in the page misleading them., and he belittled me in their correspondance on my talk page and notice board as he can't understand , he is not knowledgable etc. when Dougweller requested concensus I said it is more time saving if i made the differentials of her deleting my edits repeatedly and complain, and in the same hour I was blocked !, even though I requested time to get the diffs because I had to go to work. and finally please check this discrepency of J-m267 page here-- "J-P58: J1-P58 (AKA J-PAGE8) is found in a low frequency in the Levant and the Arabian Peninsula (Janzen 2013). The P58 marker which defines subgroup J-P58 was announced in (Karafet 2008), but had been announced earlier under the name Page08 in (Repping 2006 and called that again in Chiaroni 2011). It is very prevalent in many areas where J-M267" that i was not allowed to fix J-page8 is P58+ same as J-P58 same as J1-P58!!??. In the mean time I suggested cooperation with Dougweller and waiting for response Valentino2013 (talk) 23:42, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Some of the reasons for blocking you have not addressed at all (e.g. edit warring). Others, far from answering, you have amply confirmed in your unblock request. For example,you have directly demonstrated your lack of competence in English, you have confirmed your failure to understand copyright, by indicating that you think that providing "references" somehow deals with copyright infringements, and you have directly demonstrated your "specific agenda ... to edit into articles relating to the literal truth of religious traditions", and so on. As for your claim that you were "doing good job editing" before the Ishmaelite issue came up, I have looked at your early editing, and found various problems, including hopelessly incoherent attempts to write English. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:43, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

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The CCSA statement above is a bit late, even if it had been properly attributed. [11] is clearly from [12] and was added both by your IP and your account. If anyone wants more details about the other problems that led to this block I can provide them, but there is a general competence issue here at the basis of all of this. Dougweller (talk) 05:17, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I had to remove this this statement -DYS388 having unusual repeat values of 15 or higher, instead of more typical 13. most 388 are 16 and 15 it is the 13 that is rare (very very rare, found only in J* which not J1e (P58), now J1e is 99.99% of J1, so stating that DYS388=13 is typical is very disgraceful (if read by people who know this stuff). I also tried to fix P58. it is still now on the page , it saysJ-P58 is the most of J1 (true) but in the next line it says (J1-P58 is very rare) now I put the J so that people understand it is in J. P58 is only found in J1 and it is again (remember P58=J1e) then P58 is 99.99% (so how could it be rare??) so I fix ed that too and created a new page to explain that J1e is non other than P58 non other than J1c3,J1c3 was its famous name untill recently all the buzz on the internet about semitic J1e (J1e=J1c3=P58) and so by no means P58 is rare anywhere ( only in Caucasus where J1 is very rare anyway). The page right now P-M267 is a farce because of these two statements: J-P58 is most of J1 , and J1-P58 is very rare ( there is only P58 and it is in J1 only, If it was on J then all J1 will be P58 because J1 branched from J. The second statement is: Dys388=13 is typical which is very stupid because Dys388=16 is the most prevalent every where even in the caucasus where Dys388=13 some times (15 and 16 are typical). Oh and third mistake I tried to fix (Ycaii=22-22 and Dys388>15 cluster) he said it is in the refernce of Chiaroni, but that guy never said any thing like this. It should be written Ycaii=22-22 and Dys388>15 motif (motif not cluster) because cluster of anything is the numbers next to it so for 16 the cluster is 15 and 17, even 18, 19.., and the cluster of YCaii=22-22 is =22-19, or 23-19 etc. but there are only two Ycaii in P58 or its clade L147.1 70% of it Ycaii=22-22 and the rest 30% =22-19 that is it no more, so saying cluster of 22-22 is specific to P58 or 147.1 is quite stupid, and make people laugh at the page. so I corrected all three of these mistakes, and he deleted that.(as they say in arabic "good you do, bad you get". Finally it is you who deleted my citation for coffman, and when i asked you to tell me what violation you would not tell me for two days, so i WENT TO DELETE iSOGG CITATIONS AND SEVERAL CITATIONS NOT KNOWING WHICH ONE IT MIGHT BE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.. iF on the other had like concensus I could present my new edits and you can delete them and rematriculate in better English if that is the problem.My english is bad on the talk pages because I don't have time searching for refs, revercing my deltes and arguing on the talk pages. These is not enough time in life you know to spend that much on para activitiesValentino2013 (talk) 12:31, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of International Society of Genetic Genealogy for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article International Society of Genetic Genealogy is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Society of Genetic Genealogy until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Crusoe8181 (talk) 11:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Tathlith

Hello, Valentino2013,

I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Tathlith should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tathlith .

If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

Thanks, scope_creep 17:14, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Teman (Saudi Arabia)

Hello, Valentino2013,

I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Teman (Saudi Arabia) should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Teman (Saudi Arabia) .

If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

Thanks, Vanjagenije (talk) 21:48, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

"Nizar ancestor of Arabs" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Nizar ancestor of Arabs. Since you had some involvement with the Nizar ancestor of Arabs redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Constantine ✍ 11:31, 14 December 2019 (UTC)