WikiOriginal-9

No way

I swore NFL.com was removed and we're now with pfr for height and weight. Calais Campbell's page just came over. We can't argue without a link in the infobox. Am I dreaming this? Dozens are being changed to NFL.com. I admire the salmon! John. Bringingthewood (talk) 22:42, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured this would happen when NFL.com was removed. I think it should be changed back to what PFR has. Right now, it is completely unsourced. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:45, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Either we should go with what PFR has or NFL.com should be added back to the infobox. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:48, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Not sure if you like the guy, but I'll revert them all. Also, the pfr links are being added with a slash. I thought I saw you remove that in the past ... even though they link the same page. Any thought on the next step here? It won't end. Besides, it will help me decide the size of the next bottle I open, lol. Bringingthewood (talk) 22:52, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

You can go ahead and revert them if you like. Maybe a discussion should be had at WT:NFL. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

This discussion shit is getting stupid. People do what they want to do. This God damn link isn't even on the page. We need another person coming by and saying he's over 300 ****** pounds now? I'll check each page and see if there's a link. If the only weight is NFL.com, I'll leave it. I don't like going round in circles. I'll leave you alone now before I start to get upset with this. Catch you later on. John Bringingthewood (talk) 23:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I know what you mean 100%. Getting consistency around here is near impossible sometimes. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I was just in the process of deleting this all from your messages. Edit conflict, lol. He came back on Campbell's page. There may be a dislike with pfr. Seems like everything is being used but that link. I believe an admin. proposed NFL.com being removed, and I agreed, the conversation should have escalated then I guess. I'm done with it, let it stay there. Try to enjoy your Sunday. :) John Bringingthewood (talk) 23:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Sunday? Lol :) ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

HA! I did mean because it was coming soon, lol!! Yeah, I still have grasp of today ... not for long though. Bringingthewood (talk) 23:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

And enjoy the rest of today if you really want to. ;) Bringingthewood (talk) 23:25, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

lol ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Not familiar with Wikidata. Also not sure why that wasn't an option earlier. My computer is old, but I can view NBA.com on those pages. I always thought the broken NFL.com links were my fault. Bringingthewood (talk) 01:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

On the left side of the screen, each article has a "Wikidata item" link. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I see Wikidata item. I just checked the Cap Boso page and they have the pfr link as B/ -- shame on them. No wonder we can never win a damn argument! Bringingthewood (talk) 02:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I think it works with the slash too. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:15, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

It does, but I did see you remove the B/ before, so I did it also. Hee. You must know by now it's not worth me living if I can't find a future argument with someone out there. P.S. I can let the B/ stay from now on, just say the word, lol. Bringingthewood (talk) 02:27, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Word. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

LOL! Enjoy the rest of your Friday, I mean Tues ... whatever. Until the next time. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 02:36, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood I don't patrol NFL pages that much, but I also assumed it was me that those NFL.com profiles showed almost nothing. LOL. You know what they say about ASS-U-ME.—Bagumba (talk) 06:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bagumba LOL! YEP, NEVER ASSUME! God bless the 'The Odd Couple' for trying to show me the light many moons ago! John. Bringingthewood (talk) 03:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

It's not just you. NFL.com sucks nowadays. Historical players still have profiles for some reason but all their stats are gone. NFL.com even used to show people who were are on the active roster but didn't play (which was a plus over PFR). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I am going to chime in here because I feel like I can have a good conversation with two great and respected editors in my book. The bracket on PFR links is needed at least in my history on here because I have noticed broken links if left out. [1] vs [2]. 1 has the bracket and works. The same goes if a PFR link is used in a table in my history. I do not know where NFL.com or PFR get their information in regard to player weights and heights, but I assume NFL.com has the more accurate data. I could be wrong as it is an assumption. I would also assume PFR pulls from official NFL sources as well and some information just has not been posted yet as we are still in the preseason. As always, if I need to change anything in regard to my edits, just give me a shout. Red Director (talk) 13:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment Red. There's a topic at WT:NFL with more details if you care to read that as well. Thanks. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Regarding SS, I agree with you and I do respect his stay firm attitude when upset with someone. But, another BIG BUT, if not diplomatic here or any other place, you get blocked. Not sure if you were stalking me, lol, when I asked him about telling Admin B. to go ---- himself in so many words. I was pissed when I saw that, being that I got along with both. Bottom line, he won't change, and in some strange way, people really shouldn't. (SS's response to me when asking how he escaped a block here: (What's up man! I actually was retired but decided to come back to stay. Answering your question, I did nothing specific, just expressed myself how I wanted, and to be honest I thought I'd get banned for life, but it didn't happen surprisingly and fortunately. So... just do it, just express your thoughts.) John. Bringingthewood (talk) 00:09, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Lol, I know. It's like he was trying to get blocked. He pretty much dug his own "grave". ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:13, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, looks that way. If he returns, it's all on Wikipedia, lol. I won't throw dirt on him ... like I wouldn't throw dirt on you. So, you better %^%!!~$%R^^VHGVYXZ$%^%&^##%$E&^YGVCDTD%^R^Y^%WTR

... not throw dirt on me either. Hee, only kidding, lololol. Bringingthewood (talk) 00:21, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

How did that box get there? HA! I'll leave you alone now. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 00:24, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

loll lol. I think you had an extra space at the beginning of your paragraph or something. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:28, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Normally I would not have returned, but whatever you did to remove the box sent me an alert that you mentioned me on your talk page. You didn't. Double-HA! This place is getting creepy. Enjoy your night! John. Bringingthewood (talk) 00:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Huh, that's a new one. I guess converting your box to plain text pinged you since your name was there. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Or maybe it's just the Curse of Windows Vista!! We'll try it out again one day ... when I grasp that extra space thing. :/ Bringingthewood (talk) 00:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

It definitely was. Sorry. Thank God you saw that. It's that damn curse up there, I know I added a capital "P" to a practice squad somewhere. I even put (caps) in the edit summary. What THAT WAS I do not know. I know I can't preview my edits, but that was ******* ridiculous. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 22:13, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Besides, (-345) bytes is a lot of cap fixing, lol! Bringingthewood (talk) 22:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

OK sounds good lol. Maybe you looking at an old version of the page and just forgot? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:18, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

That sounds like something I would do. Past previews helped me with that. The squash is getting softer ... I can't lose many more perks here. Glad it was you that saw this first, otherwise it's usually a good way to get into an argument, lol. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 22:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Quick question. Can the common slob amend something on Commons? I ask because I wanted to fix T. J. Watt's middle name over there. I thought I could just edit like over here. My name is in red and it says 'user page doesn't exist'. Just wondering .. no rush to respond. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 05:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Looks like it's just grabbing from WikiData. General rule of thumb is that if you see a "save" button, nobody is (immediately) stopping you. —Bagumba (talk) 06:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I fixed it on WikiData. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Funny thing is that when I did get to one part of the page I could edit it, but it was correct, Trent Jordan Watt. I was trying to edit this page under the photo. John is his father. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:T.J._Watt Bringingthewood (talk) 23:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I just edited his commons page and saved it without changing anything, so now the page has been "refreshed" and it has the correct middle name. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, you're amazing. Speaking of amazing skills .. I left Jeff Faulkner's nationality for you. I didn't know what to put exactly. John Bringingthewood (talk) 00:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

It looks like he might be both according to United States Virgin Islander citizenship and nationality. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:13, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree. I'm also glad I left it for you, I wouldn't have done that, lol. Also, you don't use a dash. I can stop with Jamaican-born etc. if you want. Bringingthewood (talk) 00:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I usually put a dash for dual nationality but I wasn't sure how to do Virgin Islanders? I saw "American Virgin Islander" on some other articles so I just copied that. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Besides, these rose-colored glasses seem to work just fine. Thanks for everything! John Bringingthewood (talk) 00:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Wording

Probably just forgetting, but where was it decided that this was the way NFL player leads were to be worded? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League/Archive_24#Proposal. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11: While I agree the old lead was perfectly fine, here is my thought process for the new lead:

1. If you look at Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, or Wayne Gretzky, they all say "American former professional xxxxx player".

2. We don't want to have redundant leads like "is an American professional American football" or "is a Canadian professional Canadian football quarterback in the Canadian Football League".

3. Nationality actually matters in the CFL, and before there were tons of American players that said "is a Canadian football". Now, it's easier to tell if they're American or Canadian (or "Global").

4. Most of the people going to NFL player articles already know what type of football it is. "Football" is wiki-linked for the few who might be confused. (And if they're not American or Canadian, I've been putting "Nigerian professional American football") Templates like "Use American English" exist for a reason. We may as well use it.

5. Dirtlawyer1 used to do it the "new way" and he had good judgement about stuff.

6. That discussion was months ago and no one has said anything about Bagumba changing a bunch of leads on former players. No one said anything at Tom Brady.

7. It also lets us add "professional", which I think looks good in the leads of players. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:22, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Just wondering

Hi there. Just wanted to know if you were sending out some invitations or if it was in error. Lirim Hajrullahu the Kosovo guy got one with nine edits. I thought it was kind of strange. Sorry if I missed something here. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 01:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I invited him. It's not everyday a real player shows up lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm taking that as you're kidding, lol. No joke if they join. Do you have blocking powers down the road? Just saying, lol. That guy with the long name, (WiTSH), surprised me the other day, and I think he was surprised also that he received an invite. Well, football is coming. :) Bringingthewood (talk) 01:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

"WiTSH" edits NFL articles so I invited him. There aren't any requirements for joining WikiProjects. Anyone can join anything. Thanks, ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I know and I hear you, that's what scares me, lol. I was thinking .. maybe someone can pretend to play quarterback for the Steelers. I guess I'm back to rooting for sacks! Have a good end to your weekend. (I do know it's Saturday.) @@ Bringingthewood (talk) 02:26, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks. I thought I strayed too far there. Not to be misunderstood, YOU didn't scare me .. it's the people that join on their own (at times). Should be invite only. I was honored to be asked, I never would have thought of it. The Steelers project doesn't count .. nobody seems to really want that, lol. Trust me, the day I invite someone .. they will remove U.S. from all the infoboxes. Bringingthewood (talk) 03:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

No problem, I knew that's what you meant, lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank God. :) Bringingthewood (talk) 03:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

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Strength and conditioning coaches

I've run into a few like Cedric Scott that have the some of the most redundant lead sentences. How many people actually know of them as coaches as opposed to former players? Is it wishful thinking to customize these cases on this cookie-cutter, crowd-sourced platform? —Bagumba (talk) 10:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bagumba: I know, I've seen some bad ones. It annoys me when people instantly change someone's whole lead to being a coach just because they're an assistant somewhere. Andrew Luck's infobox used to say his "current_team" was some high school and his position in the infobox was literally "part-time coach", not even a quarterback anymore. Drive-by editors always do that with high schools. Until a few days ago, Pro Football HOFer Jason Taylor was using infobox college coach, and his lead started with "is an American football coach" just because he's an assistant in college. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:05, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh yeah, the blanket college infobox practice beecause Joe Blow from the 1900s was a football, basketball and baseball coach as well as an AD, all in one, so the modern day college coach needs to use that same ibx, becuase the readers will otherwise be confused. —Bagumba (talk) 12:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bagumba: In regards to Cedric Scott, he only played 13 games in the NFL and has been a coach for the Jaguars for 12 years, so I'd probably leave that one how it is for now, starting with "American professional football coach and former player". We can change it to "former player and coach" when he retires later maybe. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:09, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Haha. I was mostly ranting. I'm doing my own cookie-cutter "professional"/"former American" edits, so improving lower-tier coach leads takes a back seat. —Bagumba (talk) 12:19, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I know, if you do a lot of the high level articles first, people will start changing the low levels to that eventually. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:24, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

It's taken 5 years or so, and arguments like "it's more typing", "but everyone knows the NFL is professional", "the Euros will be confused", "Spanish-speakers don't call that fútbol", etc. —Bagumba (talk) 12:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean Bagumba, don't you just love leads like "is a Canadian professional Canadian football quarterback for the Montreal Alouettes of the Canadian Football League". ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:52, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Right up there with "is an America football coach who is the head football coach of the University of Michigan Wolverines football team." —Bagumba (talk) 13:22, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

lol lol. How should we write that one? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm thinking "American college football coach who is the head coach of the Michigan Wolverines"? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

No "currently"? LOL. —Bagumba (talk) 04:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

I forgot "it's just a guideline that says should", and I'm sure we'll revivisit "It's just a recommendation" soon. —Bagumba (talk) 06:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

I wonder what the WP:MOS people think about it, lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

There's already thousands of "English professional footballer"s. —Bagumba (talk) 06:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bagumba: Did you know that this guy's main claim to fame was not being a football coach, but being a "former American football coach". I think I saw a NYT article about how he was the greatest former coach ever. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:06, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

"was a former" for apparent emphasis[3] —Bagumba (talk) 01:46, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Wow lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Non-American

Something like "is a German former professional American football defensive end" is just too many adjectives for one noun. I changed to "is a German former professional player of American football who was a defensive end" (hat tip to Dirtlawyer).[4] —Bagumba (talk) 09:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Sergio Skol SPI

I indeffed that sockpuppet before seeing that you originally opened up an SPI report last week with the exact same suspicions. Good work identifying that sock! Sorry that the SPI sat there for too long and you withdrew the case, sometimes it takes longer for admins/CheckUsers to act if they aren't immediately familiar with the sockpuppeteer and their edits. If you have any strong suspicions about other accounts being socks, feel free to drop me a line on my talk page for (hopefully) quicker results. Thanks! Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Eagles247: Yeah, it looked like he was going to get unblocked at his talk page so I didn't really wanna stand in the way. He didn't necessarily get blocked for bad edits, mainly civility. Thanks for the note. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you 28x!!! Haven't had a full watchlist in weeks, lol. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 21:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks BTW, but I'm not sure what you mean by full watchlist? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot to mention that, just another perk. I can only view the last 50 on my watchlist. That option also went bye-bye on 4/6/23. That's fine with me, I knocked my list watchlist pages down last week .... but you get a pat on the back for finding what I have left, lol. Good to see a familiar name! Bringingthewood (talk) 21:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh ok, I see, lol. You can click preferences at the top right and then watchlist on the next screen, if you want. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

I did just about everything, changed it to 30 days and saved it ... still no good. But thanks for telling about the preference tab, I only had one box left unchecked. Now I can see changes in bold since I was last here. That gives me a new look at least. Little things excite me. Bringingthewood (talk) 22:11, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks for the thanks. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome, and thank you. Maybe one day when I get a new computer I won't have to copy and paste every x and pipe each time. That symbol drop box was awesome. Enjoy your NFL weekend if you're watching. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 22:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Review

Hi.WikiOriginal-9,Nice to meet you again, can you please mark Govind Mohan as reviewed and if you see any grammatical error in my article, please rectify them. Happy editing!--- ᗩvírαm7 • (@píng mє-tαlk mє) 13:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Props

I do not know how you and other editors can keep up with watchlists during NFL Sundays lol. There are some good eggs out there trying to be helpful but the vandalism can be rampant. I try to stay away from current players' articles during those periods to make life a little easier. Red Director (talk) 13:21, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Who says I'm keeping up with it? lol ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Haha I understand. I try to sometimes and it is best to let the storm calm down over a few days. Red Director (talk) 18:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I have over 18K pages on my watchlist. I just skip over a lot of stuff unless it looks suspicious, especially on days like yesterday. Also, not all those 18K pages are articles of course. That is for all namespaces. Thanks Red. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Your revert at List of family relations in American football

Thank you! I believe I reverted that on mobile, believing it to have been an edit to List of NFL nicknames instead. In my head I was saying, no way we include everybody being called by their name on there! Anyways, good catch, and I just wanted to explain that weird edit of mine lol. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for the explanation. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Barnstar

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		For all of your edits. You are a pillar to the community Red Director (talk) 18:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

@Red Director: Wow, that means a lot. Thanks! (also, that's my first barnstart from you somehow, lol) ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)