Victoriana2022

Sanford and Lyons

Hi! You've prepared a really well-written and decently sourced draft - but, the problem is that they seem not to be sufficiently notable for an article. I have several books on music hall and related topics that I have used in preparing articles (here) - but, sadly, Sanford and Lyons don't seem to be mentioned in any of them. Good luck with finding sources! Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:05, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Ghmyrtle!! Thanks for getting back, it is appreciated. I've actually just tweaked the declined draft and I'm hoping for publication. I read about them in Charlie Chaplin's semi-memoir 'A Comedian Sees The World' and started researching myself. They pioneered what became the blueprint for song and dance comedians in British music hall and were huge in their day. While they may not be mentioned in any of your books on music hall, they are mentioned in others, and I feel I'm only partially way through my research:

Working the Halls — Peter Honri and Spike Milligan

A Comedian Sees the World — Charlie Chaplin

The Vaudevillians —Bill Smith

The Melodies Linger On: The Story of Music Hall—Walter Macqueen Pope

Recollections of Vesta Tilley — Lady De Frece

Book and magazine sources https://archive.org/search.php?query=%22sanford%20and%20lyons%22&sin=TXT

Thousands of press articles, listings and reviews https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?basicsearch=%22sanford%20and%20lyons%22&exactsearch=false&retrievecountrycounts=false

I see lesser known/accomplished artists (Joe Elvin, for example) have been considered sufficiently notable for a Wiki article, so hopefully my research will support the publication of one for Sanford and Lyons.

Would you let me know which Music hall titles you have in your library, so I can eliminate them on my list for my research? Victoriana2022 (talk) 17:55, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

The main ones I've used are British Music Hall by Richard Anthony Baker; The Early Doors by Harold Scott; British Music Hall by Mander and Mitcherson; and a complete set of Music Hall Studies magazine. I'm not an expert by any means - around the start of the first lockdown I noticed that there was a need for more articles on the subject so tried to start filling some gaps while I had nothing better to do! Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:41, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks. Would also highly recommend "Marie Lloyd and the Story of British Music Hall" by Dan Farson, "My Old Man" by John Major, and "Victorian Delights" by Robert Wood. Victoriana2022 (talk) 03:43, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Links to draft articles

Please do not introduce links in actual articles to draft articles, as you did to Jeannie Bradbury, George Roper and Cullen and Carthy. Since a draft is not yet ready for the main article space, it is not in shape for ordinary readers, and links from articles should not go to a draft. Such links are contrary to the Manual of Style. These links have been removed. Thank you. - Arjayay (talk) 21:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me. Newbie here, learning slowly... Victoriana2022 (talk) 23:36, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Sanford and Lyons (March 25)

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