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June 2023

Hello, I'm Mako001. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Stockholm Arlanda Airport, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 18:12, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, According to SAS's website and flightconnection.com, these routes start earlier than planned. I don't have any concrete sources that start on the routes have been changed, but you can go to SAS website to check this up. Vikingcow (talk) 18:18, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Psst.. to get their attention, go {{ping|*insert username here*}}. This pings them and they get a notification for it :) Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 03:08, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see!! Thank you again:) @Fakescientist8000: Vikingcow (talk) 05:58, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I don't know if you saw my message so I'll try again. According to SAS website and flightconnection.com, these routes start earlier than planned. I don't have any concrete sources that start on the routes have been changed, but you can go to SAS website to check this up@Mako001: Vikingcow (talk) 06:02, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok, so if that is where you can find it, put that as the source. Is that what you were wanting to know? Ping me again if you have any other queries. (And check out WP:CITE if you haven't already) 🙂 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:04, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

I can't refer to a source that says they have changed routes start dates? If so, do I have to refer to SAS's website.@Mako001: Vikingcow (talk) 17:51, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not totally sure that I understand what you mean, but I'm hoping that this answer is useful: If you can verify it from SAS's website, then cite that as your reference. I think https://aeroroutes.com might be useful too, so that is worth a check if you haven't already. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 04:07, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

That's the problem, I can't just refer to SAS's source as it doesn't show that they have changed the start-up on certain routes. Besides, I wouldn't change things that aren't true. If people really want to check this, just go to SAS's website Vikingcow (talk) 09:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I see you removed Bahrain as a destination for Gulf Air at the Nice Airport page. Please read WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT point #7 on the difference between nonstop vs. direct flights eventhough GF doesn't fly nonstop from NCE to BAH. It is still bookable on their website with a stop at MXP. If you have any issues, please discuss at the project talk page. Thanks. 97.82.30.107 (talk) 06:36, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, they had a direct route last year, but this year it goes via Milan Malpensa. Then it will be correct that it says Milan and not Bahrain? @97.82.30.107: Vikingcow (talk) 07:59, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

The same aircraft and flight number goes from Nice to Milan and then on to Bahrain. 97.82.30.107 (talk) 13:05, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Then you have to change Kuwait Airways as well, as they have a route to Paris Charles De Gaulle Vikingcow (talk) 17:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

True but Kuwait Airways doesn't have traffic rights from Nice to Paris. However, Gulf Air has traffic rights from Nice to Milan. 97.82.30.107 (talk) 00:07, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

yes, they have Vikingcow (talk) 05:04, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

try booking a flight from Nice to Paris on Kuwait Airways website. No 5th freedom rights 97.82.30.107 (talk) 07:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Done trying to explain with you….good night sir! 97.82.30.107 (talk) 07:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Trying to explain with you but it just seems a little weird? Vikingcow (talk) 09:40, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

September 2023

Hello, and thank you for your edits!

However, try to avoid using Bare URLs as references. For the best examples on how to include references with more details, please see WP:IC.

Thank you! (VenFlyer98 (talk) 18:22, 22 September 2023 (UTC))

Hello VenFlyer98,

Thank you for your message and for reviewing my edits. I appreciate your feedback and guidance.

I understand your point about avoiding Bare URLs as references, and I'll definitely take a look at WP:IC to get a better understanding of how to include more detailed references. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia editing, so I'm still learning the ropes.

If you have any specific tips or examples you'd like to share, I would greatly appreciate it. I'm always open to learning and improving my editing skills.

Thank you once again for your help and for your contributions to Wikipedia.

Best regards, Vikingcow (talk) 07:52, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Düsseldorf Airport

What I noticed on Düsseldorf Airport was an unsourced edit, with possible WP:OR. That is not correct. Please add sources. The Banner talk 22:41, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Adding flights

Good morning,
two things that I would like to share with you.

1. If it is clear that an airline will add a route, for example Norwegian yesterday, and it is clear that there will be sources for it inwith hours or maybe a day, then please just wait until the sources are there and then add the flights to the pages. It is way easier this way.

2. And second, please use the format that is needed by WP:Airports. And that is:
Destination airport (begins DD.MM.YYYY),reference

For example: [[Alicante–Elche Miguel Hernández Airport|Alicante]] (begins 1 April 2024),<ref>{{Cite web|title=Norwegian NS24 Network Additions – 14NOV23|url=https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/231114-d8dyns24|website=AeroRoutes|language=en-CA}}</ref>

I already changed it for your edits in Munich and Billund. Would be great if you could stick to the guidelines in future edits.

Best regards Der HON (talk) 12:33, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello Der HON,

Thank you for your message and the valuable tips. I am relatively new to Wikipedia editing, so I appreciate the guidance.

I apologize if my previous changes did not adhere to the correct format. I will definitely take into account the guidelines of WP:Airports in the future and use the proper format for destination and date.

Regarding your second observation, I wonder if there is a specific reason you are monitoring the changes I make to the airlines at the airports? I appreciate constructive feedback and guidance, but it made me curious if there is something specific you would like to discuss or if there's anything I should be aware of.

Thanks again for your help, and I look forward to improving my editing skills in line with the guidelines. Vikingcow (talk) 13:20, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

I am looking forward to your improved editing skills. That will make the encyclopedia better (and most likely will save you time).

a lot of people have watchlist where they can follow edits on articles (not editors). Due to a cluster of IP-vandals on airports, as a secondary catch I see your edits. So it has nothing to do with you, just with the airports you edits. Hope that clears things up from my side.

Happy editing! The Banner talk 13:48, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

Thank you for the clarification. I appreciate your guidance on Wikipedia formatting. It's helpful to know about the watchlist system and your advice for future edits.

I also received a message from The Banner, who explained the monitoring of airport edits due to IP-vandalism concerns. Just to confirm, are you and The Banner the same person, or are these separate individuals?

Looking forward to your response. Vikingcow (talk) 18:59, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Der Hon and me are different people. When you look at our user pages, you can see that Der Hon is from Germany while I am from Ireland. The Banner talk 19:28, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

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Zurich Airport

Much to my surprise, you have added some info to Zurich Airport without any sources but with source request. Why did you do that? If you do not have sources, you should not add the info. It is not up to others to provide sources. The Banner talk 14:26, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Today you did it again, and I reverted it. If you do not have a source for a destination, do not add it please. The Banner talk 10:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

not my fault that I'm faster than the media at seeing route news. So calm down. Vikingcow (talk) 13:02, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

No, that is not how it works on Wikipedia. The Banner talk 13:33, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

That’s why i wrote citation needed. Vikingcow (talk) 13:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

If you do not have a source, do not add it. Simple as that. The Banner talk 13:42, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Do you need glasses? It’s not even a big deal. Vikingcow (talk) 14:00, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

It IS a big deal as it breaches the policy Wikipedia:Verifiability. The Banner talk 15:15, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Nah you take this too seriously. It’s really not a big deal. Just let me keep editing, because i wont stop. Just leave me alone. Vikingcow (talk) 18:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Persistent adding of unsourced text can lead to loss of your editing rights (block). I want to prevent that, as you do good work. The Banner talk 20:56, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, ok. I dont know how to do it then. As i said, it’s not my fault that im faster than media at seeing route news. I just don’t get it. Vikingcow (talk) 05:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Then just wait until the media has published articles that can be used as reliable sources. It is as simple as that. Now I had to search for sources regarding the new ZRH flights by myself, because you did not comply with editing standards. That is definitely not the point.

Have a look at the opening paragraph of the airline and destinations table:

DO NOT ADD OR REMOVE ROUTES WITHOUT GIVING A VALID SOURCE. [...]

Should be easy to understand, no?
Der HON (talk) 08:36, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Why are you meddling in this matter, when I am already writing to others who say exactly the same thing? And why should I bother to answer you when you didn't answer me last time? You obviously have very little to do since you go around acting wikipedia police. Also, I do editing for fun as I find new routes and airlines exciting. Vikingcow (talk) 12:51, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Good Morning,

I wrote to you because your unsourced edits constantly popped up on my watchlist (I've got almost 150 european airports there) and it is strictly against WP:V and WP:Airports and the hidden message of every airlines and destination paragraph to add a route w/o a source and then set a by oneself.

I also love new routes and airlines and my aim on Wikipedia is to keep the european airports as up-to-date and reliable as possible. Therefore, just like you, I daily notice new routes that just do not seem to have a source already.

But it shouldn't be of any deal to just wait for a small period of time until when e.g. aeroroutes, the airline itself or another portal publishes a detailed source about the route.

E.g. your edits at ZRH. You added the new Harstad route without any source. Later the same day I saw it and was directly able to add one.

That is what I meant by saying "Just wait a few hours or in the worst case one day until a proper source arises."
Brgds,
Der HON (talk) 09:45, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Good evening,

I understand. Didn't know you had control over 150 European airports. Seems exciting. When it comes to editing, I must honestly admit that I don't quite understand how to do it. It can seem a bit confusing. And since I do this mostly for fun, as I think airlines and routes are very fun and exciting, I haven't gotten too into it. I must apologize for that. Vikingcow (talk) 18:51, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

For your information: the watchlist is to watch or follow articles so you can see what happens there. It is not to control them. The Banner talk 19:06, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

I am fully aware of that Vikingcow (talk) 19:08, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

You may have misunderstood the Wikipedia watchlist. The watchlist itself is something of an edit summary of all the last changes that were performed to articles that you have selected beforehand. You can choose those by clicking on the little star in the upper right hand corner of an article, which then turns blue. You could try it e.g. with Bergen Airport, if you want :).

Of course, editing can be confusing. Therefore, I advise you to look at WP:Airports, the wikipedia-wide standards for all airport pages. You can find valuable tips regarding editing and proper sourcing there.

We strongly embrace editors like you that edit for fun and most of your edits are in compliance with the Wikipedia standards, but if some are not and get reverted, please don't get angry and best case get in touch with the person that reverted it or look into the edit summary.
Brgds
Der HON (talk) 22:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Good evening,

thanks for the tips. I will try to improve my skills. Vikingcow (talk) 19:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

If you know changes in destinations earlier then the marketing department can publish them, are you editing based on inside information? Are you working in the field? The Banner talk 10:01, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Nice Côte d'Azur Airport

Why do you keep adding things without adding an independent source? That should be something you know by now. The Banner talk 11:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I thought the source said the route would last from December to March, but I found a new source that cleared things up. But now it turns out that the route will be a year-round route from April to October. Vikingcow (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Then please provide the source for that in the article. The Banner talk 19:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Helsinki Airport

I think you really do not get the idea of sourcing edits. The IP did not source its edits, so I reverted. Then you reinstated the unsourced additions, so I reverted. And now you reinstated again the unsourced additions?? Are you kidding? The Banner talk 18:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Are you kidding? Norwegian has operated these routes for several years, so why can't you refer to a source that says Norwegian does not operate these routes as of today? You can't just remove routes that they operate with today. Search Norwegiasn.com and you will see that you can book between Helsinki and Gran Canaria. Vikingcow (talk) 18:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

So you really do not understand the necessity of sourcing new additions to the article. The new and unsourced additions. Please revert your incorrect edit.The Banner talk 18:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

No, because this has been a route for many years. How can one find a fresh source for a route that has been operated for many years? Whoever added it has probably seen that these routes have been MISSING. Vikingcow (talk) 20:37, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

And still it needs independent sourcing. No booking machines, the company website or the airport website. Something like newspaper articles will do. The Banner talk 21:49, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

January 2024

Hello, I'm The Banner. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Helsinki Airport, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Plus editwarring The Banner talk 18:53, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

You have talked to me several time before. I have added your source, so you should be happy now:) Vikingcow (talk) 18:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

It is still an unsourced addition that is in need of independent sources. The Banner talk 19:35, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Ow, you are taking about the Stockholm article. The Banner talk 20:13, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I added a source to Transavias route to Paris-Orly from Stockholm-Arlanda. In addition, i added sources to Norwegians route to both Gran Canaria and Kittilä- from Helsinki. Vikingcow (talk) 09:43, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay, but we need independent sources. The Banner talk 10:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Málaga Airport

Please note that Wikipedia is based on sources, not comments. So please, back up your additions with sources, as you failed to do here again. The Banner talk 19:01, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I will find a source, but this route has been served by Norwegian for several years. Vikingcow (talk) 16:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)