Waeland

Help request re Cluebot

My edit (respective undo of delete) in article List of people excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church was reported (false!) positive for "minor change with obscenities". There is word "rape" because it is about of excommunication mother of rape victim. Rape is valid article, therefore I don't understand why term "rape victim" is considered obscene. I tried to report false positive (as I am told in ClueBot message), but neither way is working: page User:ClueBot/FalsePositives is non-editable for me (I am logged in) and link click here is not working. I asked for help on bot page User talk:ClueBot Commons, but it was deleted without any response. Cluebot edit ID that I claim false positive is 664464, diff of changes of edit I was undoing is here [1]. I will be very thankfull for help or at least explanation. Here follows message from ClueBot:

Here are the reasons that you cannot submit your false positive.

When you try to edit the page User:ClueBot/FalsePositives, at the top it says, "Note: This page has been semi-protected so that only established users can edit it." In order for you to be considered an established user, your account must be more than 4 days old and you have must have made at least 10 edits. While your account is old enough, you have currently made only 9 edits. When you make enough edits, your account will automatically be autoconfirmed, and you will be able to edit that page.

At the top of the page User:ClueBot/FalsePositives, there is a notice that the cluebot reporting tool is down. This is why the other link is not working.

Please let me know if there are any more questions. Thanks! --Mysdaao ^talk 19:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your fast reply. Hope I will be able to write to User:ClueBot/FalsePositives now.

(edit conflict)

Hi there!

Yes, it would appear that you've done exactly the right thing, so sorry you've had problems. I will get to the bottom of it.

First - the reason you couldn't edit User:ClueBot/FalsePositives is, your account is not yet autoconfirmed, and the page is semi-protected. Semi protection prevents anonymous and unconfirmed users from editing certain pages; auto confirmation requries 10 edits and 4 days of membership; you have only performed 9 edits so far.

I also note that the link to http://24.40.131.153/cluebot.php doesn't work.

Your comment on User talk:ClueBot Commons was archived automatically after 3 days, by Cluebot III, with this edit - it looks like ClueBot really has it in for you!

I assure you, I will investigate and provide more information soon.

Best regards,  Chzz  ►  19:09, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

(apologies that this is partly a duplicate of info given above; as I was writing it, Mysdaao also responded to the helpme :-)  Chzz  ►  19:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your fast reply. Hope I will be able to write to User:ClueBot/FalsePositives now.

False positive report is shown here

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to List of people excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church, did not appear to be constructive and has been automatically reverted by ClueBot. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you believe there has been a mistake and would like to report a false positive, please report it here and then remove this warning from your talk page. If your edit was not vandalism, please feel free to make your edit again after reporting it. The following is the log entry regarding this warning: List of people excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church was changed by Waeland (u) (t) making a minor change with obscenities on 2009-04-09T08:42:25+00:00 . Thank you. ClueBot (talk) 08:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Welcome

Hi, Waeland. This is NOT some automated message...it's from a real person. You can talk to me right now. Welcome to Wikipedia! I noticed you've just joined, and wanted to give you a few tips to get you started. If you have any questions, please talk to us. The tips below should help you to get started. Best of luck!  Chzz  ►  19:18, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

ようこそ You don't need to read anything - anybody can edit; just go to an article and edit it. Be Bold, but please don't put silly stuff in - it will be removed very quickly, and will annoy people. Ask for help. Talk to us live, or edit this page, put {{helpme}} and describe what help you need. Someone will reply very quickly - usually within a few minutes. Play in your user area. For example, create User:Waeland/test. Edit existing articles, before you make your own. Look at some subjects that you know about, and see if you can make them a bit better. For example, Wikipedia:Cleanup#2009. When you're ready, read about Your first article. It should be about something well-known, and it will need references. Good luck with editing; please drop me a line some time on my own talk page. There's lots of information below. Once again, welcome to the fantastic world of Wikipedia! --  Chzz  ►  19:18, 29 April 2009 (UTC) Getting started A tutorial • Our five pillars • Getting mentored How to: edit a page • upload and use images Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Grade sources • Cite sources What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists • Best articles Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Manual of style Pages needing attention • Peer review The missing manual

May 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to List of people excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church, did not appear to be constructive and has been automatically reverted by ClueBot. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you believe there has been a mistake and would like to report a false positive, please report it here and then remove this warning from your talk page. If your edit was not vandalism, please feel free to make your edit again after reporting it. The following is the log entry regarding this warning: List of people excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church was changed by Waeland (u) (t) making a minor change with obscenities on 2009-05-01T14:39:55+00:00 . Thank you. ClueBot (talk) 14:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Follow-up

Hi,

I was just checking back, to see if you had success. I see there's another warning above - but could you report the false positive this time?  Chzz  ►  00:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern. I reported first false positive, waited two days and repeated edit (as I am told in ClueBot message he left at my page after edit). ClueBot reacted the very same way as before. I honestly don't know what to do now. I know it is not easy task to protect wikipedia from vandalism but current practice seems to me unfortunate. Is there anything more I can do? Contact someone how can decide? There is slim chance that problem thing is already solved, but I am afraid to repeat my edit second time - what if there is other hidden automatic policy and my account get banned?

Please remember to 'sign' your posts by putting ~~~~ at the end.

I assure you that your account will not be blocked over this issue. I tried to contact the owner of ClueBot, but without success so far; I will try again.  Chzz  ►  10:21, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I contacted the owner, cobi (talk · contribs) via online chat. The reason why your repeat edit failed is, the bot only remembers things for a day. I note that the bot was reverted here, so I think we're all sorted now?

Cheers,  Chzz  ►  10:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)