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thanks. are you the admin here? -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasiq 9320 (talk • contribs)

No, I am just a user that watches out for new users and helps them whenever he can. Please see WP:TPHELP for help on how to indent talk page posts and sign them. All the best! - Kautilya3 (talk) 23:33, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

thanks bro. Wasiq. Wasiq 9320 (talk) 11:22, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Please do NOT add Urdu or any other Indic script to lead sections!

There is a consensus that lead sections should NOT contain any Indic script. See WP:INDICSRIPTS. So, thank you to refrain from adding Urdu script to article leads. kashmiri ^TALK 13:59, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

However, this is only a local policy of the WP:WikiProject India. WP:WikiProject Pakistan allows Indic scripts. It is a bit of confusing situation, but I am sure Wasiq can figure out which is which. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 09:43, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

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Dardic languages

Hi Wasiq 9320, I hope you are settling fine. What do you think of this massive edit [1] to the Dardic languages page? I see no sources being used. I would have reverted it normally, but I thought I would ask you first. Regards, Kautilya3 (talk) 20:47, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I am doing fine and first message you posted was helpful in understanding some basics, Thanks. I went through the edit and though there are a few valid points added, e.g some minor languages that have been included, the edit as a whole messes up the article with unsourced and seemingly incorrect information in addition to some valid information being removed. Regards Wasiq 9320 (talk) 01:42, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I have reverted it. Most of it seems to be edit-warring anyway. I have asked for "Pending changes" protection for this page. If it is granted, all edits by new users (including unregistered users) will be reviewed by an experienced user before getting accepted. You can revert any edits that seem questionable, even before they are reviewed by one of us. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 09:40, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Bohipora article

DO NOT MESS WITH BOHIPORA ARTICLE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aamir 121 (talk • contribs) 12:48, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

The current state of the article to which you have reinstated it warrants deletion of the page and it had all the tags for it before i initiated the process. Plus there is no point in creating an article for every single village out there. Most of these articles are not in line with the WP Notability guideline and are very poorly written with little or no references. Wasiq 9320 (talk) 13:40, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

do not be oversmart man! What do you mean by every single village? I dont know about other villages! Ty — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aamir 121 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Wasiq, as per WP:GEOLAND, all villages are considered notable. However, all content should be reliably sources as far as possible. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:10, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

LanguageXpert

Hi Wasiq, it is a good idea to watchlist this sockpuppet page and the corresponding archive. It documents LanguageXpert (LX for short), a blocked user and a notorious sockpuppeteer going back a long time. It looks like two of his sockpuppets Gerua18 and Haroonkhayjahan have been active recently. It will be a good idea to look through their edits and see what can be retained and what is to be deleted. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 22:14, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

It looks like most of the incorrect edits have already been reverted by other users. Wasiq 9320 (talk) 07:11, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

OK, thanks! - Kautilya3 (talk) 09:09, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Category:Kashmiri people

Hi Wasiq, the Category:Kashmiri people says that it lists all people from the former princely state, not necessarily Kashmiris. What do you think we should do about this? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:57, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

You might see this DRN case for some of the politics. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 15:55, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Kautilya3, thanks for bring this up. I am not a very active on WP owing to my busy schedule in real life, or else i would do a lot more editing here. But, i do my best to keep an eye on Kashmir related pages. In J&K, Kashmiris are strictly taken as only the ethnic Kashmiris not other ethnic and socio-cultural groups or tribes. No Ladakhi, Dogra, Gujjar or other non-kashmiri self ascribes as Kashmiri. Pakistani Administed regions of Kashmir has very few Kashmiris. However, people from Azad Kashmir sometimes do self ascribe as Kashmiri, which at best can only be seen as only a territorial term, unless we are talking of some genuine Kashmiris in Muzaffarabad, or few others scattered here and there, in that region. It is important to note that ethnic Kashmiris do not view the people of Azad Kashmir as Kashmiris. Also, books covering the Kashmir dispute use the term Kashmiri only for ethnic Kashmiris, and never as a territorial term. As such, i am for using the proper labeling rather than using misnomers. So, IMO, this category should include ethnic Kashmiris only. Misnomers can be very misleading for the commoner who surf WP. Regards. Wasiq 9320 (talk) 17:35, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Great, that is what I thought. I will copy this response to the category talk, and get rid of the old scope. -- 18:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Demographics Section oof Kashmir Valley: Please check my references before reverting my edits

I am not satisfied with your recent edits on page Kashmir Valley. You reverted my edits two times despite the fact I provided a good enough source. I want to tell you that exact percentages of religion in Kashmir valley is not available on any page. You have to calculate them by finding specific religions' populations of individual districts. Kashmir Valley has ten districts. I added the populations of each religious group for each district of Kashmir Valley and then calculated the overall percentages of different religious groups in Kashmir Valley. I found the population of each religious group in the division from the link I gave. My link or source takes you to official site of census of India (at the page: Population by Religious Community). After you click on your desired state, a Microsoft excel document get downloaded. After you open the document, the population by religious community is displayed on State, District, Sub District and municipality level and you can calculate the religious populations of a particular division of your state (here: Kashmir Valley) by adding the specific religious populations of the districts present in that division and then find the percentage. Isn't a source from the official govt. site of census is reliable enough ?

The current reference (which acc. to you is desirable source) is outdated and is about census 2001. That source also involves calculations of religious populations but is outdated. Please do check this. And the source provided by me gives religious populations not only on State level but also on District and sub district level. You must check the source fully before labeling it undesirable. For good cause, I am reverting your edits. Please do give me a reason before reverting my edit. I think I have given you a sound reason. Thank You. Vibhss (talk) 16:51, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Alright then, assuming good faith, i accept those figures to be accurate. And i reverted your edit only once :) Wasiq 9320 (talk) 05:55, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Amanullah Khan

Hi Wasiq, I noticed that you stay away from political topics. But I wonder if I can trouble you to review the Amanullah Khan (JKLF) page? The sources are sketchy and contradictory. I did my best to find a clean narrative. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 10:36, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

I generally avoid political topics because i don't have much time to take part in long debates and discussions. I will try to improve this article in future. Wasiq 9320 (talk) 10:45, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

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Re: your message: I'm not too surprised. I did soft block the original account and gave them the opportunity to create a different account. I left them a warning about spamming. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:34, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Banday page

Hi Wasiq 9320,

I see that you have changed the page Banday into a redirect and also proposed it for deletion with a PROD tag. However, the prod tag cannot be used on redirects, so you can't both change a page into a redirect and use a prod tag on it. If you think the page should exist as a redirect, then please remove the prod tag. If you think the page should be deleted outright, then please restore the article content but leave the prod tag in place. Calathan (talk) 21:26, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

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I do understand the rules to revert and i am performing reverts on the article after reading the WP guidelines. 3RR exemptions states: "Reverting obvious vandalism—edits that any well-intentioned user would agree constitute vandalism, such as page blanking and adding offensive language." The other user have been removing maintenance tags and restoring to versions with unreliable/unverified sources. I have been reverting those edits. I genuinely feel that your warning in misplaced. Thanks, Wasiq 9320 (talk) 15:14, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Alright, i have missed a point there at the end. I will only reinstate the tags without reverting the content, if needed. Would that still lead to a block?, Wasiq 9320 (talk) 15:26, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Kashmiri Muslims

Hi Wasiq, I don't understand why we need a separate page for Kashmiri Muslims. Can't it all be covered on the Kashmiris page? Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 21:45, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Kautiltya3. We have an article on Kashmiri Pandit, so i think the article on Kashmiri Muslims should stay as well, since they are the two sub-communities of Kashmiris. If we did not have a separate Pandit article, then it would be a good idea to give coverage to both the subgroups under a "Religion/Religious demographics" section on the Kashmiris page. If you think we can do that by shrinking the content on the Pandit article, then i am for it., Wasiq 9320 (talk) 10:05, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

I have not gone through thoroughly, but i guess there is quiet a bit of overlapping content on History of Kashmir and Kashmiri Pandit articles. We could leave out that content from the Pandit page. There is also scope for #REDIRECT [[2]] to be on the Kashmir Conflict page (if it is not there already), and this [[3]] on the Culture of Kashmir page. With some revamping, we could do this. Wasiq 9320 (talk) 10:19, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, the Pandits make up only 3% of the population or less. So it is conceivable that there are aspects of their culture that are not covered on the main Kashmiris article and separate space is needed for them. But that is not the case for Kashmiri Muslims.

To draw a parallel, we have a Hyderabadi Muslims article, but that doesn't entail the need for a Hyderabadi Telugus or Hyderabadi Hindus article.

We should try to be sensitive to minorities. But the majority shouldn't have to compete with them. Do you get my drift? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:34, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

• There are many aspects of Kashmiri Muslim society, our culture and political trajectories which are distinct to Pandits and their culture/history. We also deserve a separate article for ourselves. Thank you.Towns_Hill 04:03, 17 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Towns Hill (talk • contribs)

@Towns Hill: Please note the ethnicity claim restriction in place for all India and Pakistan articles.

• do get that, but we could include those aspects of Pandit culture on the main Kashmiris page under the "Culture section". It would also make the "Kashmiris" Page look better with more info in there. Also, if we only remove "Kashmiri Muslims" page, then we will have to include its history on the main Kashmiris article, and without including aspects of the Pandits, it would not be a fairly weighted article. Furthermore, my main point is that we already have articles such as History of Kashmir, Kashmir Conflict and Culture of Kashmir which can cover the more detailed and specific aspects entailing both Pandits and Muslims, with the general and broad overview on the Kashmiris page. I guess there are some detailed aspects that have been already been covered over and over again in those articles already. So this will also help us in removing unnecessary repetition of information on different articles. We could link these sub articles to the main Kashmiris page. Wasiq 9320 (talk) 08:39, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

The proliferation of pages on Kashmir is indeed a serious problem. This article, which I never noticed till now, is in an especially terrible shape. Frankly, it feels like a WP:POVFORK, and it can be AfD'ed on those grounds. Perhaps the two of you can make a list of topics that this article should cover and gather reliable sources that discuss them? Personally, I think something like Islam in Kashmir would be a better subject to focus on. "Kashmiri Muslims" doesn't seem like an ethnic grouping separate from Kashmiris. (I will think about the Kashmiri Pandits issue. Don't know enough about it yet.) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:07, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Its good that you pointed out the "Islam in Kashmir" article, i had not seen this until now. "Kashmiri msulims" are a religious group within the Kashmiri ethnicity, of whom a large majority are from those that converted from Kashmiri brahmins, the remaining being from other castes such as Rajputs, Merchants/traders, Sayyids, etc. Kashmiri Pandits are a caste ethnicity. I would agree to cover "Kashmiri muslims" topic on the Islam in Kashmir page which in itself is in bad shape and does not deal with the subject of the topic. The content on "Kashmiri Muslims" article is more suitable for that page than its current content. If "Kashmiri muslims" is well covered there, then we can certainly do away with "Kashmiri muslims" page without changing "Kashmiri Pandits" or the "Kashmiris" page. Wasiq 9320 (talk) 10:21, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

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