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How can i fix this bodge?

I tried this but it bolds a lot of text in the middle. I see why but i'm sure my fix isn't the best way to prevent it. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 23:39, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

You can use {{'}} for that sort of thing - it's a little neater. Apparently that's what that's for, anyway, I dunno. I just came here to hug WTT. *curls up next to him and falls asleep* -— Isarra ༆ 03:42, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much Isarra! *hug!* ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 08:31, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

It's not working...It leaves the curly brackets there, which looks worse...Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:43, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I expect that's because you copied Isarra's {{'}} directly, whereas you should have copied the {{'}}. {{tl}} (or indeed{{tl}}) is a clever template which tells you what a template does. Worm^TT(talk) 11:05, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Yh, i did use {{tl|'}}. Thanks for fixing it =D

Nice work with Malleus too, there appears to be a bit of cloak and dagger there at the moment and your comments were very helpful. I suspect your support of any topic to instantly influence greatly any outcome just from your reputation and knowledge here. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:13, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

Thank you for your look at this with an open mind and voicing oppose to the main stream! People like you make me stay, to be continued, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

My proposal

Could you answer this edit request. It's been there for three days and no opposition has bee received so I bold edit would be appropriate.—cyberpower _{Limited Access}^{Trick or Treat} 12:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Not really a place for boldness, that's very high profile real estate, and I'd rather see some comments before adding. It's not a place that I work, so I'm not going to dive in feet first. Worm^TT(talk) 12:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm thinking two things. Either my request is being ignored or there don't seem to be any kind of opposition or comments that need to be made. I'm well aware of high profile it is but this is a running RfC that will affect the entire Wikipedia community.—cyberpower _{Limited Access}^{Trick or Treat} 12:44, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Almost every RfC affects the entire community :P, I generally believe that real estate is for fundamental changes such as pending changes or arbitration elections. Centralised discussion is the best place for anything less fundamental. Why not ask and admin who's made changes there in the past? Worm^TT(talk) 12:47, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Or adding a new user group involving the unbundling of admin tools? I've already put it in CD. I'll ask someone else then.—cyberpower _{Limited Access}^{Trick or Treat} 12:49, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Given that unbundling is perennial, and we've even had multiple discussions of unbundling this year... no, I don't agree it's fundamental. Worm^TT(talk) 12:50, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, I believe you owe me a grade on the latest test.—cyberpower _Offline^{Trick or Treat} 13:50, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I expect I do. Last time I looked, you'd missed the last question, but I've been slightly... distracted since then. I'll wander that way now. Worm^TT(talk) 13:55, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Flickr

Hi Dave, i've found some images on Flickr i really want under cc. How exactly do i upload these though? Here's one of them. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:30, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

That's under CC-BY-NC (non-commercial) which means you can't use it, unless it's under fair use. You may want to contact the person who uploaded it and see if they can change it to CC-BY-SA :) Worm^TT(talk) 15:55, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Ahhh...so this one's fine? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:09, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Yep. If you click or hover over the "some rights reserved" bit, and you see CC-BY or CC-BY-SA, you're good to go, but CC-BY-NC isn't allowed Worm^TT(talk) 16:12, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah i got that from your last reply. How exactly do i upload it here though? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

There's two ways. Depending on if you've downloaded them or if you haven't. I'd recommend the first if you are only doing a few. Worm^TT(talk) 16:32, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

You should have just showed me those in the first place lol. I stand more chance of remembering them =P

Thank you very much for those and have a nice evening ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 17:22, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Done correctly ci? Evidence. Thanks for your assistance ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 22:00, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Watchlists on mobile

Hi Dave, just an update on the mobile watchlist feature – we've got some mockups, and the initial prototype should be ready to test on the Beta in a week or two.

And on that note, would you like to join the newly formed Beta testing team so you can continue to receive updates on experimental new mobile features and test them out before anybody else does? :) All the cool kids are doing it... (well, actually, it's just me now, heh). Feel free to sign up and/or spread the word to anyone else who might be interested. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 18:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

GCHQ

GCHQ is recruiting, have a browse if anyone is interested.[1] By the way, I'm moving house this weekend so will be off a few days, don't worry :D --RexRowanTalk 18:57, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Mm, doughnuts... That's the third time I've seen that picture in two days without knowing I was going to. Once just browsing, once in the TV news and once here. Why do you think Worm would be good working there? Rcsprinter (gas) @ 22:33, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Degree in maths, he has? Looks quite interesting actually.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 22:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Teenagers can hack CIA these days without sophisticated computer science subjects on their curriculum, the possibility is endless, that's why they are running the apprenticeship programme for youngsters. As it to Worm, sky is the limit. --RexRowanTalk 07:01, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I'm far too lazy for that sort of job. I chatted with a nice man from GCHQ back when I was trying to decide what I wanted to do with my life, and the work did sound interesting but I just wasn't driven enough for it. Not for me, thanks :) Worm^TT(talk) 07:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

What about MI5 then? They may already be watching =P ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 08:40, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

If they turn up and ask me nicely, I'll consider it. ;) Worm^TT(talk) 08:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I'd be shocked if Gary McKinnon hasn't been offered a job yet...ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 08:59, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

A message for you :D

5065656b61626f6f

A hexadecimal number? Is it supposed to be converted?—cyberpower _{Limited Access}^{Trick or Treat} 17:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Smartie pants you are! Maybe I should have made it harder! :D --RexRowanTalk 18:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I do program too and know how to convert them.—cyberpower _Offline^{Trick or Treat} 18:47, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Same ... python makes this really easy :) --18:50, 24 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gilderien (talk • contribs)

You apply function to it in Python, yes? I just started learning so bear with me, in time, I hope to come up with an evil one impossible to decipher, muhahaha! --RexRowanTalk 19:00, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Logic dictates that if a number can't be deciphered, it's probably not a number.—cyberpower _Offline^{Trick or Treat} 20:50, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I think it could be a string. Sorry, not impossible but difficult to enumerate. Here are some lists of unsolved codes[2] and [3], have fun. :D --RexRowanTalk 07:00, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Copyright

Can you check File:Nargis in Awaara film.jpg and confirm that it is not appropriate for commons? Ryan Vesey 00:35, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

According to the licensing info there, (under chapter 4, section 26)

Term of copyright in cinematograph films.-In the case of a cinematograph film, copyright shall subsist until 60 [sixty] years from the beginning of the calendar year next following the year in which the film is published.

So at least in India it's in the public domain. And due to the Rule of the shorter term... many countries would accept that. However, I don't think that rule applies in USA. After that point, my head hurts... I'm no expert. Worm^TT(talk) 07:40, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

If the file violates the USA law, it can still be kept on Indian Wiki. If this is the only photo of the person, it can be kept on commons by using the fair use rationale and maybe tune it into a low resolution. Would that help? --RexRowanTalk 08:07, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Not exactly. We're trying to decide if it violates USA law, which does need to be counted for commons. Fair use doesn't apply on commons, only on WP. Worm^TT(talk) 08:22, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, better do a revision on my learning material, hehehe --RexRowanTalk 08:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Adoption stealer

Hi Dave, I don't know if we've met, so I'll assume that it's lovely to meet you. :) I just wanted to thank you for your comprehensive adoption program - I've been asked to be an adopter for the first time and I'm so glad I have a resource to steal work from. ;) All the best, Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 07:09, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Keilana! I'm glad to see more people joining the adoption corps, it's a really fulfilling way to help out on the encyclopedia and really good for teaching yourself about problems that you may not have encountered otherwise. You are of course welcome to pilfer my course and replicate it in any form you like. If there's any help I can offer, do let me know. Worm^TT(talk) 07:27, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I really appreciate it. Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 07:31, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Writing competition

Found a writing competition with Writers & Artists, £500 prize, have a look if anyone's interested: [4]. --RexRowanTalk 12:55, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Certificate

I made a certificate for the adoption course, feel free to use it if you like, it's here: User:RexRowan/cert. How do I move the bottom signature to the right? --RexRowanTalk 09:49, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Float it! I've done it for you, have a look. Also, I think I've got too many certificates at the moment, my barnstar's my personal favourite, User:Worm That Turned/Adopt/Barnstar, but it's actually using it that's the problem. Worm^TT(talk) 09:54, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh neat! Thanks a lot! Maybe you can add it to the Adoption HQ for whoever wants to use it if they don't have one. I can shift it to the template space. --RexRowanTalk 10:00, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I'd suggest you move/copy it to Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user/Adopter's_Area/Resources/Certificate, and link it through to Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user/Adopter's_Area/Resources. You may want to change the colours to match WP:ADOPT though. Worm^TT(talk) 10:02, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

No problem! --RexRowanTalk 10:08, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

It's great this way, but now anybody that uses it is called RexRowan and was adopted by Adam mugliston. I'm too lazy to change it into a parameter myself, can someone do it? Rcsprinter (talk to me) @ 17:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I think I did it. Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user/Adopter's_Area/Resources/Certificate_Template, subst it.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 19:05, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Done; check out User:WK-test/sandbox. Params are g for giver's username, r for receiver's username, l for link to results (optional; if not provided, defaults to User:<g>/Adopt/Report/<r>), and ts for timestamp. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:57, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Looks better than the diplomas you give us (which don't even have our names on) =P

Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:10, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I added an android one --RexRowanTalk 10:31, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

It's very nice! I'm almost jealous i don't have one! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:45, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement

By a vote of 9-1, the Arbitration Committee has passed the following motion:

Remedy 4 ("Malleus Fatuorum topic banned") of Civility Enforcement is vacated, and replaced with the following:

Malleus is topic banned from making edits concerning the RFA process anywhere on the English Wikipedia. As an exception, he may ask questions of the candidates and express his own view on a candidate in a specific RFA (in the support, oppose, or neutral sections), but may not engage in any threaded discussions relating to RFA. An uninvolved admin may remove any comments in violation of this remedy, and may enforce it with blocks if necessary.

For the Arbitration Committee, --Lord Roem (talk) 19:25, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Finally answered

I finally answered that test you gave me a couple months back. I'm sorry for taking so long but I've been busy with like school especially now since I'm in the AICE program. Also I just kept on forgetting about it when I had free time. I will try to make sure to answer them in a timely manner from now on.--LoganLopez (talk) 22:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Meh. It took me three months to answer lesson 1. :P On a related note, you owe me a grade as well.—cyberpower _Online^{Trick or Treat} 13:12, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Owe you? Owe?!? Listen here mi-laddo, you only finished an hour or so ago! *angry fist shake* Worm^TT(talk) 13:31, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm hoping that's a humorous response as I was being humorous myself.—cyberpower _Online^{Trick or Treat} 14:38, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Traditionally, I don't use "mi-laddo" in anything but humour. You'd know if I was actually annoyed :) Worm^TT(talk) 14:39, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

That's good to know. It's hard to tell sometimes on the Internet.—cyberpower _Online^{Trick or Treat} 14:51, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Disappearing uploads??

Dave why are my uploads disappearing and leaving only the captions here? It's happened twice and i can't correct it because i can't see the problem. Do you see it? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 22:09, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

It was temporary and fixed itself it appears...ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:47, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Personal Wiki

Hey Worm, I'm interested in setting up a wiki using the media wiki software for some family history, do you have any idea about how I'd do that? I'd prefer not to spend a lot of money, would wikia be a good host or is there a cheap way to use my own site? Ryan Vesey 17:14, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

wikia=advertising, but is free to you. If you can get some webhosting, and I can recommend the company i use, who I think are excellent, the media wiki software is free. depends on how much money you were thinking of spending. Worm^TT(talk) 17:18, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Webhostinghub.com is a great hosting website. There's an initial charge but you get fast Internet.—cyberpower _{Limited Access}^{Trick or Treat} 17:46, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

[5] lets you do it right away - for free. I tried it once, it works. Rcsprinter (speak) @ 17:40, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Test Subst pages

It wouldn't be ANY trouble for me to set up a subst page.... If I knew how. Is is just create a new page, copy the code? or what? Also, I'm using your tests, but I haven't the slightest clue of how to create a template, so I have no way to guide my adoptee on how to fix that.

LibertarianSupport 22:13, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I think what Worm's asking is for you to substitute your pages, as in WP:SUBST, to make your own copy of the tests. It's basically a shortcut for creating a new page and copying and pasting the code over. What you do is create the new page, and on the new page, type in the name of the page you're copying with two curly braces instead of the normal double brackets, along with a "subst:" in the beginning. So, if I want to make a copy of User:Worm That Turned/Adopt/Disputes/Test in my own userspace at "User:Writ Keeper/Test", I would go to User:Writ Keeper/Test and create the page. As the content of the page, I would type in {{subst:User:Worm That Turned/Adopt/Disputes/Test}} (notice the curly braces and the "subst:" in the front). What this'll do is make a copy of the source code from the page you're substituting from, and replace the curly-brace part with it in the page you're substituting to. Once I do this, if I go back to the source of the User:Writ Keeper/Test page, I'll see a direct copy of the source code for User:Worm That Turned/Adopt/Disputes/Test, instead of the stuff within the curly braces. This way, your adoptees will be able to edit that copy, without having to keep editing Worm's version directly. Does that make sense?

As an aside, what happens with the curly braces but without the "subst:" bit in there is a little bit more complicated; it's called transclusion. But that's just extra credit for this question. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:37, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey there Writ, Thank you very much! that sounds alot more simple than I thought, so thanks, again.LibertarianSupport 18:09, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes

Run for ArbCom, if you can make the time. You'd be asset. Not withstanding snide comments about German sports cars on Bish's page. The Ent's Ride ;) Nobody Ent 22:34, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

it's not so much the Z3 but the M5 or the A4 that seem to be the bane of the motorways. But hey, what do I know. As for an asset, you maybe right, that's not where my difficulty lies. Worm^TT(talk) 22:39, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support (edit conflict)You were what, 8 votes off last time? Two arbitors have either already said they will not be seeking re-election or must see they stand a snowballs chance in hell of getting back on after the furore over civility.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 22:41, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
• Would you really enjoy it? It seems like it sucks. Ryan Vesey 22:44, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

  That at least I can answer, yes. I thought about it in depth last year and what it came down to was the idea that I could really make a difference, actually help solve some problems, yes - I think that is something I could do and would enjoy doing. Worm^TT(talk) 22:48, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

• Then I'll be sure to create 1000 sockpuppets to vote for you vote for you once like all good editors should. Ryan Vesey 22:49, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

• You will have my support as well. — ChedZILLA 02:38, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose not voting for you.—cyberpower _Offline^{Trick or Treat} 03:15, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support This election is going to be more heated than the upcoming U.S. Presidential Election, but I think you should run and I would vote for you in a heartbeat. Go Phightins! 03:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support - but you should quit the editing while drunk. One of the funniest occasions on here this year...ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 08:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support - Tell me where to vote and I'm there. --RexRowanTalk 11:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support Based on what I've seen, I'd give you the nod for the best editor in the entire project. Given the way the Malleus War is going, I wouldn't want to put myself in a position to handle that mess, but I think you could do a good job. AutomaticStrikeout 18:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support I was coming here to suggest this exact same thing. You are one of the very few editors that I would see as being a tremendous asset to the community by being on arbcom. Trusilver 16:46, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you all for your comments, and your confidence! Last year I had a few people drop by with some messages of support, but I certainly didn't get people petitioning me to go for it. It's a difficult decision, I had a lot more energy for the project this time last year, but on the other hand I'm no where near burn out and it would be very fulfilling to know I'm actually making a difference out there. I'm still mulling it over, I've got another couple of weeks, but I may well give it a shot :) Worm^TT(talk) 11:31, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Keep adopting at this rate and you'll get in just by the amount of support from your foster kids =P ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:21, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

And grand kids :D --RexRowanTalk 13:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I think it would be great if you stood again. If you can convince Dennis to as well that would be even better. Rich Farmbrough, 05:17, 28 October 2012 (UTC).

• Jumping in to support here. If you have the time, you'd clearly be good at it. Hobit (talk) 18:19, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

When you wake up

Could you take a look at Wikipedia:ANI#User:_Bull-Doser_.28persistent_disruptive_editor.29? It seems you have experience mentoring, and this user appears to at least nominally recognize his mistakes; see his unblock/unban request. Perhaps a combination of topic ban from the area where he was most disruptive and some lite mentoring for the rest would work? Tijfo098 (talk) 03:31, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I've had a look and I really don't have time to take on a project like Bull-Doser right now, I've got 2-3 editors I'm actively mentoring and a couple more that I'm passively mentoring... just don't have the time. Worm^TT(talk) 14:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Want some tea?

You gave me a pie, I'll give you tea. Peace on earth, goodwill to men. Thanks for helping me and I'll try to pay you back with my edits. Smile , TruPepitoMTalk To Me 12:30, 31 October 2012 (UTC) has asked you to join them for a nice cup of tea and sit down here.

Fred Andrews DYK

Thanks for reviewing the nomination. I have just made some additions to address your comments — please take another look. Andrew Davidson (talk) 13:12, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done Worm^TT(talk) 14:50, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

My adoption page

Because I was hit by the hurricane, my access to Wikipedia is severed somewhat and was wondering if you could give me a grade so I can continue with what limited access I have at the moment.—cyberpower _Online^{Trick or Treat} 14:12, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm a little behind on my "helping people" side of wikipedia, simply because I actually wanted to get an article done for a change. However, I managed to get May Byron up last night, so I'll get back to it :D Worm^TT(talk) 14:14, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

You haven't found a picture of her yet? Good to see you back in content creation either way! And away from Cornish food articles too! Welcome back! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:02, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Oddly, I haven't found any picture of her at all. And I'm a bit surprised there's no decent biography of her, I've just found mentions here and there - yet she's a prolific British writer, married to someone from the line of Byrons... Still, at least the articles up. Now I just need to sort out Mr. Rennison. It's been far too long since I've written anything decent on here, I just haven't found the time to do the research needed. Worm^TT(talk) 15:05, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I left a question on the talk page.—cyberpower _{Limited Access}^{Trick or Treat} 15:25, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm writing a response right now. Worm^TT(talk) 15:26, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Mentoring

Hi, the idea of you being a mentor for a specific user was floated at AN and on the user's talk page. I think it would be helpful to hear your thoughts on the matter. I would say that given your history of being a strict but reasonable mentor your willingness to pick this up would probably make some folks (maybe just me :-) ) more receptive to the idea of this user's return. Thanks, Hobit (talk) 18:17, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm in no position to take on any more adoptions/mentorships at the moment, but I'll drop by in any case. Worm^TT(talk) 14:09, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Dave Brown (broadcaster)

I've never heard of the person before, but the article is up for deletion. I haven't read the article and have no idea if it is notable, but I saw that you made a relatively minor edit to it [6]. I just thought I'd let you know it was up for deletion since you edited it. Ryan Vesey 03:22, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah, July 2011. I think that was the last time I was useful... No recollection of it whatsoever. Worm^TT(talk) 09:33, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Edits from the future or DST?

Why am i seeing edits from the future?

• (diff | hist) . . Talk:Android (operating system)‎; 09:28 . . (+681)‎ . . ‎Marc Lacoste (Talk | contribs)‎ (→‎Market Share transformed to Reception: moved from my talk page)

Is this down to Daylight Saving Time? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:21, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Yep. check your settings. The post was made at 8:28 UTC according to my machine. Worm^TT(talk) 09:24, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

My settings were +01:00 but it's fixed now. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:28, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean? All of the edits on Wikipedia come from the future. Ryan Vesey 22:04, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually they're from the past per WP:CRYSTAL =P ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 00:13, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

You just made that edit tomorrow, your argument is invalid. :) Ryan Vesey 00:18, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

It's not our fault you're living in the past... Worm^TT(talk) 08:30, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

During the war...Nice to see you back editing again anyhow Dave ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:30, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

It feels good to be back :D Worm^TT(talk) 09:42, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

So....

I have been for years seeing conversations between newsers and established editors (usually admins) and there are a number of patterns in those that head towards conflict. On in particular is notable:

First the new user doesn't get it - and secondly the established users don't get that the new user doesn't get it. From there things often go rapidly downhill.

Having said this it is not uncommon that the established users are either wrong, or at least being overly harsh.

We really do need a better process to handle these events. Any ideas?

Rich Farmbrough, 21:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC).

(talk page stalker) Forgive me for interjecting, but I think a way that this is improving is via the Teahouse. I've only been helping there for a few weeks, but all the hosts always welcome the users, and in plain English answer their question. I don't dispute that this is definitely an issue, but directing new users to the Teahouse seems to work. Go Phightins! 21:50, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes I'm glad to see you say so, since I also support that initiative whenever I can. And "sending" people to Teahouse might well be a good tool for some of these incidents.

Unblock requests often don't work out too well, going something like "I didn't to it" "Promise not to do it again!" "No, no I really didn't do it!" "Talk page access blocked...." <Carrier dropped>

Rich Farmbrough, 23:25, 1 November 2012 (UTC).

You're right about unblock requests..."please, I promise I'll never ever ever do it again! I'm reallllllllllllllllllllly sorry...please please unblock me!" The Teahouse is a great initiative, in my opinion. Go Phightins! 02:30, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I see very similar patterns regularly and when I do, I step in to help. It's amazing what a simple word or two can do, just to relieve the tension. I'm not keen on a process per se, it's only going to lead to instruction creep and the problem often lies with neither party having read the policies in the first place due to the massive amount of them. On the other hand I'm very keen on the "nip it in the bud" philosophy, so if you see something that looks like it might spiral out of control, lend a hand :) Worm^TT(talk) 11:28, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I'd say that a hefty part of the problem stems from the fact that a lot of new users not only don't get it, but have no intention of getting it. Speaking as someone who spends a lot of time dealing with CSD and AIV, I can state from experience that we get a lot of first-time editors whose sole intent is to get their name (or that of their company, band, WoW guild, pet hamster etc.) into Wikipedia, and they really don't give a monkey's bum about anything else. The problem arises when experienced editors who are involved in NPP so forth start to become jaded and tar all new users who start out like this with the same brush. We have no influence over incoming new editors, but we can suggest to the old hands that they make an effort to distinguish between a dedicated SEO spamgasm and a newbie who's writing an article about his Nan's new microwave because he just doesn't know what he's doing yet.

Personally, I find the Teahouse (and its slightly more brusque older sister, the Help desk) an excellent way of reminding myself that we do have genuine new editors arriving who aren't just here to see their name in print. I've had the pleasure of coaching one or two users I've encountered there to do good work on the encyclopedia, and it's very rewarding. I'd recommend helping out there to any experienced editor who's starting to feel that they spend all their time up to their nuts in vandals and spam. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:46, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

The "jadedness" is certainly a factor. Oh well you can't make people communicate, though you can offer them the chance. It just seems a shame where folk read what they expect to see rather than what is actually said. Rich Farmbrough, 03:29, 3 November 2012 (UTC).

Yep, but I'm usually too late and someone has been blocked, unnecessarily in my opinion. Rich Farmbrough, 03:29, 3 November 2012 (UTC).

DYK for May Byron

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Tip

Here's a little tip Worm That Turned:

You created your Wikipedia account on 13 July 2008. On your userpage, anywhere on your userbox, you might like to write the following source:

{{User Wikipedian For|year=2008|month=7|day=13}}

If you do that, this will appear on your userbox:

This user has been on Wikipedia for 16 years, 4 months and 15 days.

Cheers! :) CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 05:06, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Curtaintoad, but I only add userboxen which I believe define me on the encyclopedia - and the length of time I've been here isn't really one of my defining features. Interesting to know though Worm^TT(talk) 14:39, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thanks for that, you're a hero. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:45, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

No problems, it was a pleasure. Worm^TT(talk) 13:46, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

TruPepitoM

Considering the most recent post on his talk page and understanding that it did occur before your comment, can you make a statement whereas TruPepitoM will be blocked for any usage of automated tools without getting permission first? I feel it would be better to institute this prior to a block than after one. Ryan Vesey 15:45, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

No, I don't think that's the right way to go. I've made it clear TruPepitoM was close to a block and that he needs to turn himself around. I've suggested he doesn't use automated tools, and if I wanted to enforce that I would be ensuring they were taken away from him. I'd rather show him courtesy and trust here, as he'll much more likely become a productive user that way. Worm^TT(talk) 15:51, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

"However, I don't generally sign guestbooks, as I find them distracting from the encyclopedia" ::Is that why you never signed mine?? I consider them both a good tool for editor retention and an easy way to meet new people and tell them how good they're doing. They serve as much a function as userboxes. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Yep, that's exactly why. I don't generally participate in the purely social parts of the encyclopedia - even for my adoptees, unless I believe that the additional confidence they get would be significantly beneficial. I'm not such a stick in the mud that I'll complain, but I just keep out of them. Worm^TT(talk) 17:25, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikifriends lists are another story right?—cyberpower _Offline^{Trick or Treat} 18:20, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I'd say that it fits with my previous statement. Worm^TT(talk) 13:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Is that supposed to favor signing my list or oppose it?—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 01:58, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

It's supposed to be deliberately ambiguous :P Worm^TT(talk) 08:38, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Possible RfA nomination

Hello, Worm That Turned, I was wondering if you would review me to see if I was even close to being ready for adminship. I edit articles that apply to highways, NASCAR, and, mostly, weather. I also revert vandalism and, when necessary, issue warnings (I was recently upgraded to rollbacker). I have been involved in my fair share of disputes and I will often catch myself wanting to get involved in edit wars. However, I have been getting better about this in recent months. Most of the time when I edit disputed content I will leave a note in the edit summary trying to direct people to a talk page, where I usually participate in the discussion as well. I would appreciate your feedback and a possible nomination if you think I am ready. Thanks, United States Man (talk) 04:17, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi there. I'd say you would probably not pass an RfA at the moment, I can't see that you need the tools. You've made a total of about 50 edits to wikipedia space, so I would suggest that you're not really busy in administrative areas. I also can't really suggest that someone who's clearly doing a great job working on editing the encyclopedia should waste their time with admiship! It's a fairly unforgiving area and you are doing a lot more good doing what you're doing. If, however, you are really interested in adminship, have a look at my magic formula which might give you some ideas on what you'll need to do. Worm^TT(talk) 14:03, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I never really looked at it that way. I still would like to become an admin but I might wait I few months on it. United States Man (talk) 20:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

WP:VPP

Would you be willing to close my RfC In about 6 days?—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 17:14, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

If I'm not too busy, I'll see what I can do. I haven't commented on it anywhere, have I? Worm^TT(talk) 08:47, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I believe the only place you commented is at WT:RFA on that supposed extended discussion.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 13:31, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Category help

Hi Dave, i'm still trying to set up a category and thanks to Hotcat i'm a bit closer. However, i'm not sure what i'm supposed to do . Can you take a look? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 13:58, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually it's probably better if you click the Birmingham Gay Village category link at the bottom of this image to see. It asks me to save the page but nothing happens...Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:01, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

You just need to create it like any other page, then add some text like "Birmingham Gay Village is an area in Birmingham, UK" and save it. The text should give a very brief overview of the category. Worm^TT(talk) 14:03, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Well done :) Worm^TT(talk) 14:09, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much =D You're a brilliant teacher Dave! Now have a nice afternoon ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:10, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Morning Dave! I wanted to change the coordinates of Birmingham Gay Village to 52.4735,-1.8960 but it won't let me without giving red error messages everywhere. How do i do that without the errors? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:52, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

It's currently at 52.4741,-1.8967, but converted into degrees, minutes and seconds. If you want to change it, why not used something like this site to calculate the degrees minutes and seconds- though the difference is miniscule ;) Worm^TT(talk) 09:59, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

It is miniscule, but now it's in the middle of the village, rather than the corner. Thanks for the link, it did the trick! Have a nice day! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:07, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I saw it...

... and I've got the diff. Leave £10,000 in used notes in a briefcase on my userpage, and your secret will be safe... Yunshui 雲‍水 09:54, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I can't here hear you... Worm^TT(talk) 09:55, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	Won't tell a soul... Yunshui 雲‍水 10:43, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

It's online now :D

Hi Worm,

It's here, what do you think? The darn thing doesn't have a spell checker at the moment but I just told its developer about it. If you find any more mistakes, feel free to point them out, also I can change anything you want to edit too. --RexRowanTalk 13:41, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

You did it! You're famous! But now Yunshui will want even more money to keep your secret...ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 13:47, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Most popular? I should be so lucky! But otherwise, looks good! Worm^TT(talk) 13:51, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

My service provider said they had experienced unexpected traffic jam that they had to upgrade their server, I viewed my stats and had a big grin :D --RexRowanTalk 15:46, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Deleted edits

I expect Northamerica1000 to come up with an explanation. I checked other users, the only one I found with a somehow strange track record was one with 1,800 deleted out of 18,000. Nobody else had even near 1,000. To compare: I had 108 deleted edits out of about 20,000 total in 6 years. I'm not an admin, ok, but neither is Northamerica1000, yet. So what do you mean with "administartive work"? Reverting vandalism would count as a revert for the vandal, not for the cleaner, or not? Kraxler (talk) 15:49, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I would expect any editor who does a lot of work in WP:XfD, WP:NPP, WP:AFC or even vandalism work (as some sorts of vandalism will create deleted edits). I am willing to email you circumstances if you like - but I would rather not write about them on wiki for fear of people shoving beans up their nose. Effectively, when any page is deleted, every edit any user has made to that page is deleted also. One example of a user who spends a lot of time at these areas would be Armbrust, who has over 12k deleted edits. This doesn't concern me at all. Worm^TT(talk) 15:57, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Check out User:The Blade of the Northern Lights. Anyone who does New Page Patrol and routinely tags articles for CSD will have a stack of deleted edits, as the edit which added the tag is deleted at the same time as the article is deleted. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 16:02, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

6000 deleted, 28k live Worm^TT(talk) 16:04, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the info and explanations. Armbrust is non-anonymous, and Blade is a sysop, ok. On the other side, Northamerica1000 is known to have a pattern of piecemeal editing (I know another user who managed to create a single-sentence stub new article in 36 edits...), and quite a few new articles deleted after AfD, that could possibly account for much of this heap of 5,000 deletes, according to your explanation above... But I expect Northamerica1000 himself to say something about it, for the voters to make up their minds. By the way, I must be off to the market now, buying beans... Kraxler (talk) 16:23, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

The RfA clearly isn't headed anywhere positive, but there's something in your (apparent) logic that really concerns me. What does "Armbrust is non-anonymous" have to do with it? Having a large number of deleted edits is widely acknowledged to be a sign of frequently taking part in administrative-related activities, for example new page patrol. (Another example, nearly 10,000 deleted edits.) Your original question linked that idea with being involved in edit wars, which is clearly ludicrous to anyone who understands how deletion works on mediawiki. Throwing that wildly incorrect implication out there and then "expecting" the candidate to come up with an "explanation" seems unconstructive, to say the very least.

Is it useful for you to be offering opinions on the candidate based on your questions to him, when you seemingly don't understand the answers or indeed the implications of the questions that you're asking? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Review

Hi Worm,

If you remember, you gave me an editor review some months back. I have recieved RfA nomination offers from two editors. I would like to have your opinion on whether I am ready. --Anbu121 (talk me) 18:05, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

In this environment? After that editor review? I think you'd be very lucky to pass. I haven't looked at your past 3 months work, it may be very good, but the comments on the editor review suggested at least 6 months of good work. Worm^TT(talk) 09:16, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Editor Review

Can i also be cheeky and request one when you have time...i'm in third place for the longest waiting review with no responses currently. No pressure...Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 18:28, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I've specifically avoided reviewing you Jenova, a few times - I thought it might be good for you to get a review from someone who isn't your mentor! Worm^TT(talk) 09:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

That's a shame as i value your opinion and can accept your criticism Dave. Plus i trust you not to be biased in any way since you mentored me in the first place when i was a noob and ran into my first edit war. Could you be convinced to reconsider? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:23, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

If that's what you'd like. I assumed that it'd be good for you to get an outside view! Worm^TT(talk) 09:25, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

People appear neutral on me...no one likes me enough or has worked with me enough to review, likewise no one hates me enough to review...Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:28, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Your contributions have been fairly visible to me, Jenova. I can give you a review. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 09:28, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Jethro, that'd be great (from my point of view). Jenova, I'll still do a review in addition to that one. Worm^TT(talk) 09:29, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't think we've ever met Jethrobot so i'd like that very much! Thanks for stalking and thanks for still doing a review Dave ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:31, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

WP:RFC/U

Being an admin do you have much experience in this area? I have an ongoing problem with an editor and am starting to see this as my only option to creating a user-friendly environment on a certain article talk page. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:41, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

I do have experience in the area, but not because I am an admin. I started one and have participated in others and over all I have a very low opinion of the environment. I wouldn't really recommend it - it's meant for long term patterns of issues with an editor, not issues in one place. I assume you've tried the general RfC for the area? Perhaps mediation might help? Worm^TT(talk) 15:57, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

I typed RFC but ended up bandied about all over the place because it's lists of different places to go. RFC/U sounded like the place i needed for a disruptive editor on a talk page making personal attacks over a 5/6 month period. What's your recommendation? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:08, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

I'd have to look into it, dispute resolution can be difficult. I just generally find RfC/U to be a very poor place to get anything positive done. Worm^TT(talk) 16:09, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Well i believe we've gone into this before a few times but i'm annoyed with the personal attacks towards me and others whenever someone else comments on the talk page (by the same watcher). The talk page should be friendly or neutral and it's being used as a battleground in this case. Should i email you? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:22, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Deletion Help

Hi Worm, I wrote an article about a primary school, it is for deletion. Personally I do not see the reason of deleting primary schools, if they exist then no harm to get a mention, right? Can you have a look and see if it can be saved? It's here: Llandeilo Primary School. Go, Swordmaster! --RexRowanTalk 19:32, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

It looks like it will survive to me Rex. You've done some nice work there! Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 20:57, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it'll be fine. Thanks to Rcsprinter for helping out there. Worm^TT(talk) 08:42, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow, it looks great! Thank you Rcsprinter! You rock! Hi Jenova, Hi Worm, I am still unpacking my stuff in the new house, went out for a run in town yesterday, it is a beautiful place :D --RexRowanTalk 09:07, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it has been redirected now anyway. Sorry. Rcsprinter (state) @ 16:33, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

You don't need to accept the redirection. You can just undo the revert and force discussion on the talk page. Alternatively, you could add information on the primary school to Llandeilo. WP:OUTCOMES means nothing. That being said, I haven't found a lot of sources that establish notability. Since the school is 162 years old, there is a very good chance that research of documents that aren't found on the internet can find something that establishes notability. What is the history of this school? Was it always primary? Have there been any fires? Adding substantive information like that can help. Ryan Vesey 17:34, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Big Mac - Creation Controversy

What do you think about my last follow-up to your response?Jc parttime (talk) 23:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Moving a DYK to the prep area?

I'm completely confused at the process for adding an accepted nom to the prep area. I accepted the nomination for Template:Did you know nominations/109 Washington Street and added it to Template:Did you know/Preparation area 4, but I'm not sure if I did it correctly or not. Pretty neat DYK, I must say.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 10:44, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Tokyogirl79. There's a couple of issues with the article, so I've removed it from the prep area for now. One of the things we have to be really hot on is copyright concerns, we don't want any copyright violations on the main page. In this case, I'd like to see some sort of evidence that the report (which the article is almost a word for word copy of) has been released under CC-BY-SA.

More generally, I generally don't put the "good to go" on the article and move it to the prep area. By letting someone else move it, you are getting a second pair of eyes on each hook, to look for problems. (There's also a third pair of eyes, the admin who moves it from prep to queue, but the more people who look at it the better in my opinion).

Having said that, you did the adminny bits absolutely perfectly - closing it properly, putting it in the queue properly. My only quibble is that I think you may have wanted to give Rcsprinter123 some credit as he nominated the article, even though he didn't write it. Worm^TT(talk) 13:10, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry

... about the accidental rollback on your userpage, which WritKeeper spotted instantly and re-reverted. Problems of looking at my watchlist on a slow touchscreen phone with poor signal! One-click rollback is a mixed blessing, probably more of a danger than a benefit. (Is there a way to turn it off, or to get the system to ask for confirmation?) PamD 20:23, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

I hide the link on my watchlist with some CSS after one too many similar misclicks. :) Just put body[class~=page-Special_Watchlist] .mw-rollback-link {display: none;} into your css page if you wnat to get rid of it on the watchlist. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Sounds great, thanks ... remind me how to find/create my css page? I think I once edited it! Perhaps something like this should be a gadget or preference, easily switched on and off in the preferences? PamD 19:38, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I think I've cracked it: Preferences, Appearances, SharedCSS/Custom CSS, then just paste in what you said. Still think it would be good if it was a standard Preference! Thanks. PamD 19:49, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Yep, that'll do it. It's actually a subpage in your userspace, at User:PamD/common.css, but the long preferences route works, too. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:51, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Puerto Rican Statehood

You may or may not have heard, but in a referendum, 54% of Puerto Ricans voted to change their status. 61.13% of voters who answered the second question voted for statehood. Since you seem to like statistics/data, I'm curious as to how you'd analyze the data at Puerto Rican status referendum, 2012#Results. Some say, the two vote system was a poor one because while a majority of Puerto Ricans prefer statehood to any other change, it is possible (but not probable) that all but 6,172 of those who would prefer statehood would actually prefer to continue the normal status. In addition, how do you deal with blank votes? Personally, I would assume all blank votes came from people who voted no, but I'm not sure how I would apply that in determining whether action could be taken on this. Ryan Vesey 01:46, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't know where you got the idea that I like statistics! I've got to say that I don't really know how to handle something like that, it's not really in my expertise. I'm always interested hearing about how people deal with voting - it seems like a black art to me. Worm^TT(talk) 15:47, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I figured you liked that tecnical aspect of hard numbers too Dave. Must be the impression we get from you...ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 18:24, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

My test

Hey Dave! Is it possible for me to give the vandalism-test? Right now, I really don't feel like doing any vandal fighting (I'll resume it soon but not in few days). And how is my new userpage? TheSpecialUser ^TSU 06:31, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Hello, Worm That Turned. Please check your email; you've got mail!
Message added 22:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC). It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Thanks. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 22:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Your ArbCom statement

I just read your statement, where it said that you ran last year and came "9th out of 8" which confused me a bit. I don't know how many people ran and I didn't want to edit your statement so I just wanted to let you know. - a boat that can float! (watch me float!) 05:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

It was a (clearly failed!) attempt at humour, I'll update it :) Worm^TT(talk) 08:28, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Heh, my guess was that it was intended to make people "think a little" while reading your nomination. I did work out what it meant, but perhaps only because I remember the result from last year. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:34, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Whoops, did not get that at all! Sorry :) - a boat that can float! (watch me float!) 10:46, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Bloc my account

Hello,

could you block User:GreatOrangePumpkin to avoid something like this? I logged in to Commons as GreatOrangePumpkin, then logged in with the same account on ruwiki but forgot to resign and log in as Tomcat7. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 12:51, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Certainly. Worm^TT(talk) 13:04, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Help!

MathewTownsend and me and a GA - again:

• Talk:Kerry Bog Pony/GA1
• Talk:Kerry_Bog_Pony#moved_long_distracting_comment_from_GA1_to_here
• User_talk:Dana_boomer#re_your_GAN_Kerry_Bog_Pony

I don't want to see Dana's GA derailed, as she is my friend and I haven't done much with that article, but I really don't know what to do when dealing with this user, who seems convinced that I am the epitome of evil or something. Help! Montanabw^(talk) 22:04, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry Montana, I'm away from computers for the next few days so can't really help. If things still are mixed up when I get back I'll try to mediate Worm^TT(talk) 22:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it got sorted, but I do wish that MT would learn to AGF with me; I don't know why this user thinks I'm so horrible and evil. Montanabw^(talk) 22:09, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Manchester Girl Geek event 25/11/2012

Hi There! I notice that you are planning to attend our Girl Geek training event on 25 November. Great - how did you find out about it? If you are interested in attending future events, perhaps I could interest you in the training programme that we are running? Daria Cybulska (WMUK) (talk) 11:04, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Daria. I generally watch for WMUK events, and I was annoyed I missed the last Girl Geeks event. I'll send you an email to cover the rest. Worm^TT(talk) 08:48, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Notification

Just let you know in case you hadn't seen it, your work was discussed in a certain amount of detail at Malleus' talkpage today. Must be that time of year again :) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:33, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

The stargazy pie? It's one of those things that does get chatted about, partially because people just can't believe it exists. Worm^TT(talk) 08:47, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Nudge nudge!

Hi Worm, you asked for a nudge before the Liverpool meetup on 24 November. Here it is! Hope to see you there, Bazonka (talk) 18:21, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Cheers Bazonka! Should be there, looking forward to it :D Worm^TT(talk) 08:46, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

5 year merge

Hi Dave, would i be able to merge these two pages mentioned since there's little interest and the topic appears the same? Or would that be bad since i support the merge? (Even though it's a 5 year old discussion with little interest). Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:42, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Also this was my first choice for xmas but the cost was a put-off...Hope you enjoy what i sent anyways =P ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 20:30, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I'd recommend that you go ahead an merge them, redirecting one to the other. Be bold, it can always be undone. Worm^TT(talk) 15:25, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Voila =]

I'll be on the lookout for angry tree surgeons vandalising my user page for about the next month now...Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:19, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Nudge

*cough*Editor review*cough*... Completely understandable if you're busy, there's no rush. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:52, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Quick Question

Yes, I remind two cases. Although, I think that "rude" is a bit exagerated, now that I read it. The one that I can remember by now is what happened with Swifty, if you remember, but as I said, "this is only in counted cases when disruptiveness has led the way." It means that you may be rude harsh sometimes when a disruptive user suffocates your patience, which rarely happens. Now that I think of it, the word i was looking for was harsh. — ΛΧΣ21™ 15:57, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I've replied at your voter guide, but I can see myself being harsh, whilst I struggle to see rude! Worm^TT(talk) 16:07, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Haha yes.; you've never been rude, just a bit harsh sometimes. But that's not a big issue: i have been harsh sometimes too :P. I left another reply at the voter guide. — ΛΧΣ21™ 16:28, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Indiscriminate list of information?

A while ago I created List of games that support Wii Balance Board and List of games that support Wii MotionPlus as splits from their articles. My question is, are those articles considered indiscriminate lists of information? If I remember correctly, I had initially removed a large list from Wii MotionPlus that I felt was out of place. I created the article after getting this edit on my talk page. Ryan Vesey 16:08, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't say so, I would have just said it was a list. Adding a bit of a blurb at the top of each article wouldn't do any harm. Of course, that's just my opinion ;) Worm^TT(talk) 16:16, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I would say both those lists are clearly discriminate rather than indiscriminate lists of information.

I recently had to deal with a similar query regarding a much more nebulous list (also split out from an article where the desired material wasn't appropriate). I eventually found my way to WP:LSC and WP:CSC. These are sufficiently vaguely worded that they can't really be interpreted as objections to the contents of your lists, especially since your criteria for inclusion are very specific and every entry is sourced. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 16:37, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Could you oversight this?

Hello Worm. I just realized that in a very early edit to my talk page, I accidentally revealed my IP address. I know you are an oversighter, so could you please oversight this edit? It should be obvious which edit it is from the early history of my talk page (I think it is the third edit or so). StringTheory11 (t • c) 05:55, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Sure, that's done for you. In future it's probably best to email oversight through the links at WP:OVERSIGHT Worm^TT(talk) 08:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Malleus and Demiurge100(0)

Demiurge1000 removed this explanation from his talk page.

David/Worm That Turned,

Malleus explained the distinction between editor and account to Rschen in this RfA. He clarified that users may have administrator accounts and other accounts (e.g. cleared with ArbCom), in the context of urging less speculation by Rschen. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 3:16 pm, Today (UTC+1)

You can see that this is another time where Demiurge1000 baits Malleus about an earlier spelling of the account; a more recent was at yesterday or today's ANI thread. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I saw it, and had clearly embelished the discussion in my head. As for the baiting, I've seen a lot of rubbish from each, regarding the other and I'm hoping an interaction ban would stop that. Worm^TT(talk) 15:07, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

What leads you to believe that I'd agree to an interaction ban, or indeed any other kind of sanction? When have you ever seen me go out of my way to look for editors who for whatever reason have taken a dislike to me? Malleus Fatuorum 18:03, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Because the disagreement between you has been going on for years and you have specifically identified him as one of the editors who are "out to get you". A voluntary interaction ban would stop that - it's hardly a sanction if it's voluntary. Both of you can get on and do what you actually enjoy on Wikipedia. You are both editors I respect and carrying on like this will only end up with either one or both of you no longer editing. Worm^TT(talk) 18:10, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

It seems quite clear to me that Demiurge1000 has neither substantiated nor withdrawn his ludicrous claims made on his talk page and repeated at the AN/I report. There will be no voluntary ban as far as I'm concerned, although Demiurge1000 is quite free to leave me the Hell alone and unambiguously and unconditionally withdraw his allegations of sockpuppetry and abuse of a secret admin account should he choose to do the honest thing. Unless of course he has some proof, in which case he should take it to the appropriate venue. But of course he doesn't have any proof, as it's all a malicious invention. And how you can see his rant as anything other than "out to get me" is quite the mystery. Malleus Fatuorum 18:18, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I still think things would improve if you both forgot each other existed, but since neither of you seem to be keen on the voluntary interaction ban idea and I'm in no mood to take it to AN to request a formal interaction ban, I'll just drop it. As for the rant, I've already made my opinions clear on that, pointing out the actual diffs he was alluding to. Finally, with regards to my "out to get you" comment, I was referring to the fact that you suggested he was generally "out to get you" and the rant was only a recent example of that. Worm^TT(talk) 10:51, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I fully understand that the Wikipedia way is to come down on the side of fault on both sides, therefore both sides have to accept some kind of sanction regardless of who is actually to blame. But that doesn't wash with with me. Demiurge1000 is quite capable of not posting any more personal attacks on his talk page, or anywhere else for that matter. Seems pretty simple to me. Malleus Fatuorum 03:22, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

You brought up fault, not I. I don't consider my proposal a sanction either. I was just suggesting you both leave each other alone, stop talking about each other and forget each other exist. That way we can actually move on without the "but he did this.." rubbish. The encyclopedia would become more a more pleasant environment for both of you and in turn the rest of us. Worm^TT(talk) 08:34, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Demiurge1000 is quite at liberty to refrain from posting any further personal attacks should he choose to do so, without any need for a childish interaction ban. Simple. It's high time you bloody administrators started treating the rest of us as adults, instead of naughty children. Malleus Fatuorum 17:02, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction on The Prestige! I saw Get Carter and I don't understand why it is ranked as a great movie.... Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:16, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

It's that grey and bleak cinematography, coupled with the grey and bleak story. Malleus Fatuorum 03:25, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

It looked positively cheerful after Autumn Sonata. ;) Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:20, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Adoption

Ready to resume.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 23:48, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Bump, in case you didn't see this.—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 13:51, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Check your adoption page :P Worm^TT(talk) 13:52, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Funny how I bumped you just as you were ginning me the test.—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 13:53, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

You forgot to substitute the templates lesson. I have done that for you. :D I am also ready for the test.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 15:17, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

So I see. Irony means more than "sort of like iron". Worm^TT(talk) 15:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

My section!

An excellent photograph by Team Wormova

This is my section =) Woohoo.. Now stop sending me rubbish! Staceydolxx (talk) 12:58, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Like Worm^TT(talk) 09:42, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

This is a long shot...but is this Stacey Stacey from Wikipedia takes Coventry, or a coincidence? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:42, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I am The Stacey. It appears I have been dragged around the country to Wikipedia stuff and now I finally have an account. Not that I really know what to do with it.. Other than click the random article button.. :) Staceydolxx (talk) 10:57, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

That's cool. It's nice to see you here! And at least now you can have credit for your uploads too.

There's a lot of images with car door mirrors in them and someone has to take the blame for it =P. Have a nice day! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:06, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Stop whinging. Team Wormova won, remember? Do you want me to start talking about our many blue/black/green plaques? Hmmm? Worm^TT(talk) 11:10, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh, i'm not whinging. Just a bit of friendly banter =P

And i believe the plaques were worth a decent amount of points. I didn't even mind standing on BlueStars83's back to get photos of them ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:38, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Plaques were worth 2 points. Not 2 points each, just 2 points ;) Worm^TT(talk) 11:39, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

That's a bit of a con then...On a separate note, did "the package" arrive through the post yet? The Colombians are interested =P

Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 13:24, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Indeed it has - though I'm not allowed to open it until it has been thoroughly reviewed. I believe it should be ready in approximately 1 month, if I'm lucky... perhaps a day earlier ;) Worm^TT(talk) 13:26, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Well i hope you enjoy it! It's for training/mentoring me for so long and all the aggro that brings! Enjoy it ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 13:47, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Not sure if either of you have noticed but this is 'My Section' and you are both invading it. >:) (p.s. notice the indentation! I'm getting the hang of this now..) Staceydolxx (talk) 14:13, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Very impressed with the indentation. Unfortunately, despite the declaration of it being your section... you don't have any control over anything... it's the way of the wiki. This is an open conversation (as are all conversations on-wiki) and commenting is not only allowed, but encouraged. Worm^TT(talk) 14:18, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry Stacey, i'll drop you a present to apologise for the invasion ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:33, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Told you I couldn't cope with Wikipedia.. Its mineeee! >:P I don't like to share! Staceydolxx (talk) 15:21, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Inquiry

Well, I don't know if you remember, but a month or so ago I asked if you'd be willing to adopt me, but you were busy, so I instead was adopted by Rcsprinter123. I have finished my adoption course and have started one of my own. Do you mind that I'm borrowing/modifying/copying some material from Rcsprinter123's course which came from yours? I figured I should ask before I got too far with my first adoptee. Thanks--Go Phightins! 02:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Of course you may Go Phightins! Go forth and teach the world! Worm^TT(talk) 09:42, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Great. Thanks. Go Phightins! 11:54, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Email

• [[7]]

Per your comments in the link. Arbcom has apparently known about this for nearly 2 weeks, from that, can it be presumed that you received this information prior to that? - jc37 09:35, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

• They were prior to that, yes. There were no direct quotes, it was just mention of the subject matter. Worm^TT(talk) 09:38, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

  Thank you for the clarification. - jc37 09:42, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

98.204.145.138‎

Hey Worm, hope you had a good Turkey Day...even if you are on the other side of the pond. Anywho, got an issue with an anon user and since my last attempt at dealing with an anon blew up like a nuclear bomb in my face, I was wondering if you could take a look. The user is 98.204.145.138 and has been "editing radio station pages in a poor manner" (trying to avoid the "V" word) for awhile. I posted a message to his/her talk page but haven't recieved a response. He/She previously edited under User:Zimmermanh1997 and two admins posted to that talk page about what they were doing wrong, but to no avail or response. I am unsure how to proceed (again due to my last attempt) so I was wondering if you could help. Thanks...Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:52, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I think the first thing you need to do is improve that logo - which doesn't match the one on the website. Then perhaps assuming a little more good faith? Certainly no where near the V word. Worm^TT(talk) 10:10, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

On the WLTF page there is confusion. They do still use the "Lite 97-5" branding on air along with the "97-5 WLTF" branding (that I can confirm with my ears, though not with a source) and the "Lite 97.5" logo is still used on the site, so there is confusing on which logo and branding to use. As for good faith, see the anon's other edits. I have given benefit of the doubt since the user is new, but I would hope (after all this time) they would understand that a direct link to an image off a website won't work on Wikipedia, but alas they haven't. :( - Neutralhomer • Talk • 10:15, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Indeed - and it may be that they need to be blocked for a refusal to communicate - but the edits are clearly trying to improve the encyclopedia, even if they're doing it in a completely incorrect manner, and editing against consensus. If they're still using the lite branding, then that's just ruddy annoying , perhaps the caption could suggest that it is "one of the logos" they use. I'm not going to be able to help any more than you can if the editor doesn't reply to messages, just carry on leaving messages on his talk page. Worm^TT(talk) 10:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, makes figuring out which is the official branding (will the real branding, please stand up?) very difficult when they use both. Plus, right now, I can't bring myself to listen to the station since they are playing non-stop Christmas music waaaaay before Christmas. They have been since November 15th. Christmas music is well and good, but should be played in the week before Christmas (and the week after for the traditionalists). </rant> Anywho, I will keep posting messages, but I honestly don't expect any response. I know, AGF. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 10:27, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Good luck. I'd suggest dropping a note on WP:WikiProject Radio stations, if you haven't already, asking them for a third opinion too. Worm^TT(talk) 10:28, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Richard Rennison

Hello! Your submission of Richard Rennison at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Odie5533 (talk) 17:29, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Editor review/Jenova20

Hey Worm-- my apologies if I held you up in posting your review. I had some trouble with a unforseen lack of internet over the holiday break here when I was hoping to get around to it. I saw your note at the beginning of your review.) I have also just posted my comments there today. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 18:10, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the review Jethro, i'm about to read it ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 20:08, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

the revolution is only a t-shirt away

I thought that you deserved something a bit extra for all of the amazing work you've done for the project. I've nominated you for a gift from the Wikimedia Foundation!

Beeblebrox (talk) 23:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Cheers Beeblebrox! Did you ever consider running for Arbcom seriously? I do think you'd make a terrific arb, even though we've disagreed a few times! Worm^TT(talk) 23:07, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I am kind of sort of pondering it... Beeblebrox (talk) 02:00, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

precious

Support, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:18, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Arbcom? What's Arbcom? Is there such a thing? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:51, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

There's something... what it may be in the future remains to be seen. Worm^TT(talk) 15:55, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Know any Scots?

Do you know any active Scottish editors? I need a picture of St. John's Methodist Church, Arbroath. Ryan Vesey 16:47, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Try Category:Scottish Wikipedians Ryan. Hope that's of use ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:58, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I was looking in there, but those categories are usually fairly useless because there is no distinction made between active and inactive editors. I'll certainly wade through it if nobody knows any. Ryan Vesey 17:03, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Have you checked the talk pages of the Austin Powers movies? =P Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 17:31, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

How about trying Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scotland? PamD 18:52, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

None at all I'm afraid, and my esteemed staplers have already come up with all the ideas that I might have. Worm^TT(talk) 09:25, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

User:HJ Mitchell/Don't be scared of FAC

Hey Dave, after our chat at the weekend, I finally got round to writing down my thoughts on FAC (I'd been meaning to write something like that for a while). I guess that makes you my guinea pig, or, er, worm, so before I start linking to it, have a look and see if you think it's any good. Oh, and good luck in the arbitrary elections. ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:59, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Cheers Harry. I've had a quick read through, and a lot of the thoughts are similar to ones I've read elsewhere. I'll keep playing around with Doom Bar during the elections and then nominate it afterwards, whether or not I get in. It'll give me something to distract me from the whole scrutiny of the elections, which is always fun. Worm^TT(talk) 09:27, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Rennison

The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Happy December!

The Holidays are coming up... enjoy this lovely brownie as your first treat! Statυs (talk) 02:25, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Worm^TT(talk) 08:50, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

User:TreasuryTag

Treasury Tag has asked for an unblock on his talk page. Pursuant to your previous mentorship offer, I think you might want to have a word with him regarding this.N419BH 19:05, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I did see this at the time, but didn't see it worth doing anything about, I have neither the time nor inclination to mentor TreasuryTag any more - and if he can't be bothered to even write an unblock request then I doubt he's ready to come back. Worm^TT(talk) 08:47, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Merge

Dave, i need more people involved in a merge discussion, which is stalemating. Which noticeboard do i take it to and is that allowed? I posted at the relevant wikiproject but i believe i need someone higher up to close it with a decision, or preferably just add more voices. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I currently have 3 in support of a merge into 1 article, who made reasonable arguments, versus 1 who tried to merge into the other article (with only his/her own support) and is still fighting back. I don't want to cause a controversy and so i need more eyes or a closer. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:48, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, there's always Wikipedia:Proposed mergers, or more importantly, a few tags on the articles {{merge from}} and {{merge to}} for instance. Unfortunately, mergers of articles that people don't read much take quite a while, unless you can come up with a bold solution that everyone is happy with. Worm^TT(talk) 10:53, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I've already used the merge to and from tags and posted on the wikiproject related to it. I'll try Wikipedia:Proposed mergers. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:06, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

PS 3 Games

Hi gang, just got my PS3, what games would you recommend? :D --RexRowanTalk 12:19, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

LittleBigPlanet ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Journey was one of the coolest games I've ever played (though it's very short). Hopefully there are people still playing it; it's amazing solo but doubly amazing with others. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:05, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Get your thoughts on a Wikipedia Service Academy to coordinate admin prep. Worm: I was just told that you may have already begun some effort along these lines. Please tell me. Guðsþegn (talk) 20:09, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Barnstars

I have a problem of putting the Barnstar of Dilligence next to Tireless Contributor one on my userpage. Can you help me please?--Mishae (talk) 21:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I believe I fixed it, does everything seem right? Ryan Vesey 21:28, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. In case if I will get more, how should I post them, I mean, so they wont be on top of each other...--Mishae (talk) 21:41, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

When I find myself worrying about how "messy" they look, I usually react by not "updating" things until I get over it. This always works! Sometimes it takes a year or two... --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:57, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Use |icon_nr=. The next should be 2, followed by 3, 4, 5, etc. Ryan Vesey 22:00, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks to all. Question, what do you mean "I usually react by not "updating" things until I get over it." and "Sometimes it takes a year or two..."? Is it really that long? I don't have a whole life for it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mishae (talk • contribs)

I'm pretty sure Demiurge was joking it sometimes take much longer than a year or two.... Worm^TT(talk) 08:52, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Message about Mishae

Hello WTT,

I read your post on Mishae's Talkpage, and I think this edit from him should be taken into account:

"Sigh, to you as well, I read your talkpage now... I think it should be me who should tell what to follow and what not, considering your previous experience... And I personaly got sick of people who critisize me and revert stuff without mentioning it to the user first! And who are we? I and user Stemonitis are in the same dispute, he says its O.K. to do it with another edit. Have a problem with that? Talk to him, not me! Again go to User talk:Ryan Vesey and complain there about it! O' and another thing, the content is justified even without it, since the species name from the bottom is also visible on the top. Any questions? Sorry if I might got a bit personal in a discussion, just rough day overall. You know, having two disputes at the same time, is very stressful... Forgot to mention, doing reverts if there is no vandalism is pointless, I thought you knew that, if not, can I help you to understand that?"

That was posted on my Talkpage, following a revert I made to her for removing a name in a infobox, and after a day or two of discussion. The main reason I am speaking to you is because I am wondering if Mishae should be kept on the project. In my mind, when you explicitly used the terms "you're on thin ice" and "i'm giving you one last chance" stood out in my mind, and I think Mishae should be blocked for any period of time you choose. Please respond on my Talkpage.

by Kevin12cd Talk to me This was posted at 00:28, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Kevin, please see my email response to you. If Mishae had done anything worthy of a block, please be assured that he would already have been blocked, by me. He hasn't - he responded a bit aggressively to your officious messages, but he apologised (it's right there on your talkpage) and he hasn't, as far as I can tell, issued you "one last chance" or suggested that you're "on thin ice" (in fact his last communication with you, on his own talkpage, was a model of politeness). Bear in mind also that Mishae speaks Russian, not English, as his first language, and so may find it harder to express his position than other editors; cut the guy some slack! I see no likelhiood of a block - of any length - heading his way in the near future, and I would strongly suggest you drop that stick you're carrying... Yunshui 雲‍水 08:17, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Just a quick note to say I fully endorse Yunshui's comments. My gut instinct when I read your note was that you were likely to be the one who would be blocked. Looking into the situation, I think Yunshui's explained things very well. I would suggest you listen to him before you end up removed from this site. Worm^TT(talk) 08:59, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi WTT, I would like to apologize for any mess I caused, I really don't get along with some people, but I am trying my best. At least I tried not to personally attack anyone. As far as my name goes, Misha is actually he not she, I don't feel bad about it though since a lot of Americans (or English speaking community in general), gets confused it with being short for Michelle. In reality, my name is short for Michael, or Mikhail as people prefer call me by my passport sometimes (see Mikhail Gorbachev for an example). So, in other words Misha = Mike. O' by the way, the name Kevin we will pronounce it same way, only we will type in cerylic. If there will be any questions please ask, but don't scare me on my talkpage! Sure, I understand that your job is to keep Wikipedia free of vandals, and I am glad that you have it! However, if you want to you can apply for a checkuser position in Wikipedia that way you can stop any vandalism from anonymous users, which is more common then with registered. Please, live registered users alone! We don't gather here to cause harm, we gather here to help a project, just like you with the anti-vandalism tool Twinkle!--Mishae (talk) 19:01, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

The checkuser right is not, for the most part, used to stop vandalism from anonymous (unregistered) users. Thus, I think you have misunderstood what it is about. I am sure Worm would be happy to explain more about Wikipedia if you want to ask him. He's very friendly! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:12, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I will wait for Worm... But checkusers do watch out for any user who brakes a parole after being blocked, am I correct?--Mishae (talk) 00:51, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Mishae, I'm really struggling to respond to this comment, because it seems to have no basis in what's happened and is factually incorrect in a number of places. I don't really keep Wikipedia free of vandals, rarely use Twinkle. I deal much more with problematic editing from registered users (including yourself back in June, see your talk page). Checkuser right isn't used for catching anonymous users, but rather for viewing technical private information to confirm whether two accounts are the same. I never referred to you as female, and I'm not American... I think that's everything! I'm glad you an Kevin have reached an agreement (per your talk page). Worm^TT(talk) 10:32, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for pointless comment. The female and American thing was refered to Kevin (I forgot to put a devider). Thanks for explanation regarding checkuser part, and yes, me and Kevin are getting along just fine!:)--Mishae (talk) 01:24, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Scrolly bar

Where has the scroll bar gone? :)

Anyone know how to add a scrolly bar to this table to stop it from stretching the page. I've checked around but can't find an example. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:15, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I added a scroll bar; hoewever, I know for certain that vertical scroll bars should not be used in articles and I actively remove them. When a scrollbar exists, all of the information doesn't get printed. Since the page was being extended making reading difficult, I decided a horizontal scrollbar was better since adding it improved readability and printing a scrollbar that extends off of the page is annoying anyways. I'd suggest doing a workaround where you create production figures from 1949-1970 then production figures from 1971-present in two separate tables. Ryan Vesey 15:23, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

And I undid your edit Ryan - because mine has the pictures moved and is slightly prettier. Now stop being so excellent. :P Worm^TT(talk) 15:24, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Also, Jenova, Ryan's advice is very good, would be worth taking on board. Worm^TT(talk) 15:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

"When a scrollbar exists, all of the information doesn't get printed" - what does that mean?

And this looked like one of those situations where ignoring all the rules and including the scrolling bar would look better than 2 or 3 different tables of huge length following on from one another. I did toy with the idea of making it a column table, but it's way too big, and collapsing it didn't work as it's a monstrous size when uncollapsed. This is a car which sold for 40+ years, there won't be too many situations where breaking the rules like this is possible or likely. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:35, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of collapsed things in text either because I think it has the same effect. Basically, when there's a scrollbar, your computer only prints the visible portion of the scrollbar. Ryan Vesey 15:37, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

If we stick with the scroll bar, your version is in fact a lot better than mine. Ryan Vesey 15:38, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Are we talking printing printing, with a proper printer and paper and ink? ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:40, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Yep. Ryan Vesey 02:26, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

That can't always be helped, just like hidden tables - they look better when they don't cover a huge portion of the article and detract from the text accompanying them. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:36, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Scroll bars don't always appear, though (specifically on newer Macs)--and as they don't, how would one know to "keep on scrolling"? See picture in upper right. —Theopolisme 12:17, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Buy a proper computer =P

Seriously though i'm not sure the best way around that. Without the scrolly bar the tables will be massive. Suggestions anyone? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:26, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Mobile Beta testing

Hi Dave,

Thank you for signing up to test the experimental features we're building on the Wikimedia mobile Beta site! We just released a few new prototypes you might be interested in trying out. Please keep in mind that since the Beta is a testing ground for early stages of feature development and design, you'll definitely encounter bugs and unpolished software – your feedback will help us understand what areas we should focus on as we build these out into real features :)

To explore the Beta, visit any Wikimedia project on one of the supported devices/browsers and opt into Beta (tap on top left navigation menu > Settings > Opt in to Beta). From there, you can:

• Log in (via the link in top left navigation menu)
• Browse some articles and watchlist/unwatchlist them
• Check your watchlist (via the link in top left navigation menu)
• Edit
• Add images to articles without any images in the lead

(Again, keep in mind that everything on Beta is highly experimental, so check to make sure that your edits/uploads went through successfully!)

Please leave any feedback you have for the mobile team on the mobile Beta talk page on Meta. Let us know if anything is especially confusing or strange, and feel free to give suggestions for improvement.

Thanks again! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 22:33, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

AutomaticStrikeout's Hall of Fame Barnstar

Worm That Turned, it is my pleasure to inform you that I am inducting you into my Hall of Fame. I have developed a very good impression of you and consider you possibly the best editor on the English Wikipedia. I hope you will find this to be encouraging and I give you my best wishes that you will continue to be a fabulous editor and admin here for years to come! AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 18:29, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Automatic Strikeout. I don't intend on going anywhere and though I doubt I'm the best editor ;) I appreciate the sentiment. Worm^TT(talk) 08:50, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 18:17, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

you may not be the "best" (however that's measured) by you're one of the most uplifting, most reasonable and fairest) and the one that serves as my model (though I'm not good at following models, unfortunately for me - wish I could be like you). Have my fingers crossed that you end up on ArbCom. Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 12:44, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh good, I'm not in the hall of shame. Hi Worm, I have moved my website it's here now[8], can I have a handsome photo of you? Or I can leave it like it is if you would like to remain mysterious :D --RexRowanTalk 14:26, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Photos exist but I'm never too keen on them :) Would rather remain mysterious on that point! Worm^TT(talk) 14:28, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

No problem! Congratulations on all the awards you received! I should make one myself really, considering I'm a direct descendent :D --RexRowanTalk 15:05, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Tell you what, I get awards all the time, largely because I'm well noticed. What I'd like you to do (and anyone else who spots this message and fancies it) - go and find someone who's been here a while and never had an award. Give them one, make them feel appreciated. I'd like that :) Worm^TT(talk) 15:12, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Is that really what you want? Or should we just give you stranger awards in future? The ones you haven't got loads of already in the cupboard =P ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:33, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

You are such a good person Worm, no wonder everyone hangs around here all the time! My broadband still haven't got relocated yet, the signal in the mountains is bad here. Hopefully it will get sorted within 10 days if the BT dude shows up. --RexRowanTalk 18:09, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Btw Worm, would you be interested in joining my Hall of Fame committee? All the committee members need to do is nominate about 3-4 users (you can do so via email if you like) to give me some option to choose from for each month. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 18:17, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh, me me, I am practising my award speech in front of the mirror! Can I have a star with my hand and foot prints? --RexRowanTalk 18:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm going to have to decline, but thanks for the offer. Worm^TT(talk) 08:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Please let me know if you change your mind. v/r -- AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 02:58, 8 December 2012 (UTC)