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Foo

Since you worked a bit on the list of Foo Fighters songs, wonder if you could take a look and help with [[ Foo Fighters live performances. Thanks. igordebraga ≠ 04:14, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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I came here too when I noticed that you had introduced the excessive capitals in the Landscape (album) article. Please clean up the article and any others where you have made similar changes. Thanks. PamD 11:54, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Per User:PamD, please go through all your articles and conform to WP:CAPS, thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:17, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

cc AngusWOOF. I'm not sure the message on top of Are We Not Men? We Are Devo! is a model. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:08, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

In octu oculi, I was thinking of an altered version of that type of message on the articles, or something like with say, Artpop, with "Stylized as" messages on the opening of the article for the album titles and on top of the track listing.Wunkt2 (talk) 18:42, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

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Also just seen Shun (band) which you created. Can you please fix it to follow WP:CAPS. We don't USE CAPS in the middle of sentences for album names or band names. Thanks. 日本語で返事しても大丈夫です。 In ictu oculi (talk) 10:27, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

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Elaboration on the Hirasawa edits

Hi Wunkt. I'm just as grateful for all the work you've done in bringing information to Wikipedia and the Hirasawa Wiki (especially the lyrics!), I've referenced it many times.

About the articles, I felt I needed to do the work that I did, but no more, for a few reasons:

• It feels like there isn't enough information for the later albums readily available from what I've found. It would feel unnecessary to create a separate section for album information, for instance, if there are only two or three sentences to write about it. All of it could be fit into the introduction to avoid clutter. Same goes for the track information sections (bullet points as opposed to bolded names... also helps if two songs are part of the same information point, to avoid mentioning the same thing twice).
• If it is not referenced somewhere, I am reluctant to write it. I don't want to give away misinformation. Everything left in as seen in the final edits from me comes from either Hirasawa Lyrics or Hirasawa's websites.
• If I look at the articles for the first four albums, they contain lots of information for me, a big fan of Hirasawa, but not for anybody else. Taking AURORA, someone looking at the page for the first time seeking basic information is thrust right into very specific details after being told that it's the fourth Hirasawa album. I do feel like there needs to be an introduction that is accessible to everyone at the very least (the third paragraph in particular seems like something that could be used).
• I'm obsessive about trimming redundancy and getting writing down perfectly. Again, going to the first four albums, the wording in places is awkward, things are repeated, and capitalization for different works is inconsistent (is this not a result of having giant articles to manage on one's own)? Also, the details themselves. Who is to say what content belongs and what doesn't? I settled on relaying what I deemed to be the most important and interesting information in a concise manner, taking into account everything I covered in the other points. Truthfully, I actually omitted some information if I didn't know how to work it into the article for it to flow with the other parts. But if it was truly worth mentioning in my eyes, I would have figured out a way.
• All of this being said, the deletions came about as a result of constant researching on Wikipedia's policies, and shifting back and forth on deciding on what I wanted the articles to represent.

I've done what I feel is best. Other editors can take over if they feel the need to, now that there is at least a base for the albums. I would just ask that what I covered above would be taken into consideration before anything is changed.

Also, I wanted to get in touch with you to talk about Hirasawa just as an aside. Is there any way for us to communicate outside of this platform?

Myonmiya (talk) 22:58, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Ah yes, I do have an account. I've sent you a message.

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Hello again. I read over the new edits. Here are some notes and other things.

• On the topic of accessibility, if a user were to read an article and come across terms like Tubular Hertz, SP-2, ASOK, and the like, they would most likely not understand what those things are, as they are not explained and do not have their own page on Wikipedia.
• The line about Hirasawa in futuristic goggles... it seems very random and out of place within the paragraph. If you wrote this, I would think that you would continue writing out what Hirasawa did for the entire show in detail.
• Is there a point to writing about which songs were featured on Archetype, when the Archetype page itself already has the information on which albums the songs come from? The article is elongated with repeating information that does not concern Sim City directly. How many readers would be interested in knowing which specific songs appeared on a compilation album, not overseen by Hirasawa to boot? The infobox could include a section for Remix albums and Compilation albums, so if someone were interested in those things, they could go there. Also, for linking to Archetype, shouldn't the entire name be a hyperlink? Otherwise, it looks like the subtitle is part of something else, confusing.
• Will the Recorded fields be consistent later on? It feels off if one has only names of studios, and another only has names of cities.
• About all caps, I was wondering whether or not you also scan for song names in the same manner. Because most of the Japanese names translated to English have proper capitalization, but looking at Electric Light Bathing for instance, this is not the case.
• As for information coveting, I do not find that Wikipedia favors more than less necessarily. Information is derived from references, but kept concise and relevant to the immediate topic. It's not like taking everything that is known and dumping it into an article. From Handling trivia:

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, so some degree of selectivity should always be used, but the criteria for inclusion are complex, because the "importance" of a fact is subjective. It is not reasonable to disallow all information that some editors feel is unimportant, because that information could be important to some readers. That said, an ideal Wikipedia article would present its subject in a straightforward but well-organized way, and refer the reader to other articles or outside resources where more details can be found. The overinclusion of an exhaustive list of unnecessary details detracts from this goal. Trivia sections should not simply be wiped away, however, because some items may be useful for integration.

Do you agree with this? How much miscellaneous information is enough? Each album in existence has its own stories behind them that could write books, yet a line is drawn somewhere, at differing points. By the way, if you are styling the articles after other album pages, aren't you forgetting a critical reception section? I would say those are beyond pointless, but they seem to be pretty important to some people! I wonder...

• As a totally personal point of view, the mystique of Hirasawa-sensei fades as more information is openly available. Reality fills in imagination blocks. ~_^

Myonmiya (talk) 08:12, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Ah, that is all quite fascinating, thanks for the info! To think of all the stuff that goes unreleased... Myonmiya (talk) 16:18, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey there. I go easy on edits since you put so much work into creating these articles so I feel like I shouldn't be touching them much. It's understandable, right? But I am able to get over this complex if need be. The articles have come a long way. I don't have many ideas to offer right now to be honest. Lack of inspiration? But I can reword awkward-sounding parts here and there since I believe myself to have a good command of structure and what sounds right in this language. If something else comes to me I'll let you know for sure. But um, yeah, thanks again for putting all this together. English fans would surely be left in the dark otherwise. Myonmiya (talk) 08:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Okay, one thing that comes to mind now is a continuation of what we discussed all those months ago. I would really want to make the articles seem more like the other articles on Wikipedia. At the same time, there is a lot of information that would be lost otherwise. It's a difficult situation. My rule would be to cut out things that are not significant; that word in this instance meaning information that just seems to be information for the sake of having information. For example, the bit on the Planet Roll Call page about PHONON2553. You notice too that this particular sentence would not serve a common reader, neither a Hirasawa fan because it would be assumed automatically that songs performed at a concert that took place not too long after the album's release would most definitely include a lot of the songs from that particular album. Things like that. I wish to be of more practical help but I can't force myself to work on something if I'm not feeling up to it. Myonmiya (talk) 08:55, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

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Greetings to high-minded hone Wunkt2. I just noticed that this imgur page on Hirasawa's tweets on August 5th 2015 is referred to. I noticed that in Wikipedia it mentioned his father as "Hōseki (平沢 峰石)," which reads a bit weird to me, because Hōseki is not the real name of the person. His father is named "平沢 清" which probably is romanized as Hirasawa Kiyoshi. The source is his earlier tweets, such as these on Jan 31st 2015:

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Hōseki is like a pen-name, because it is in Onyomi in traditional artist name style. When someone does some traditional arts he/she might have an artist name. I'm not sure if his father just nicknamed himself as Hōseki, but I guess so.

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Hi Wunkt. I think I took on too much with this project. Editing Wikipedia to Wikipedia's standards takes some level of experience. That is besides mastery of the language in which the article is in. What makes it even more challenging is if there is emotional investment, which more often than not clouds objective judgement. If the articles are the first thing people look to when they search for the information online and they don't look their best then I feel like I'm carrying the burden. What I mean is that the people who would be able to make the Hirasawa pages become seamless with the rest of the site are the ones who have been editors for a while and who don't have as much of an attachment to the man, even if they don't know nearly as much about his music.

The trilogy comments don't seem to belong at all. I'm not sure if it has even been made official through Twitter or something, but it doesn't look like this is ever emphasized in other official sources. For the first three albums, there was a line in each of the pages saying essentially the exact same thing and that's what I wanted to correct. I don't think it looks good as a whole to repeat the exact same thing across multiple articles. It also confused me because there was only a deliberation on what the third album was about and so I didn't get what the sentence was trying to say since I assumed that all three would get some kind of descriptor about their themes but after re-reading a few times I understood. What is written should be clearly understood by everyone so I don't think it's worth including it if it doesn't flow well.

The Paprika bit is bordering on trivia. A lot of people in the west discovered Hirasawa through the soundtrack work that he did on different anime so it makes sense for that basic connection to be pointed out. I really don't think anything else is necessary for that article though. And I'm aware that Polysics are somewhat popular but I don't know how important information on covers is.

Personal bias and other things. I tried to gauge what kind of information would be the most important, really. I think that the return of a P-MODEL member 30 years later is something that should be there. But a blurb about how a small part of a song is a sample of another older song is too minor. I know, once again, that if you look at pages of popular bands a lot of stuff is permitted, but that's all up to the culture. That is what determines notability and in turn what should and shouldn't be on Wikipedia. Everyone is following the rules to create consistency. Another thing is that those articles are well-written and easy to understand even for a newcomer. The Hirasawa ones in comparison don't have that quality to them, probably because there are only two of us instead of twenty of us. But yeah, I don't have the skillset to fix it. I just have a clear idea of what it should look like more or less despite not being able to make it so myself.

Kayo Dot seems well-known enough and Hirasawa's influence is pronounced so it could probably be worked in somehow. Don't ask me how though. And the article, what did you see in it?

Myonmiya (talk) 06:06, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi again. I made some edits on a bunch of pages. All of them I feel like I had a good reason for. The answer to pretty much any decision was that it was not relevant enough (especially not for the opening line/paragraph) or didn't sound right. For the former let's take Technique of Relief. By this time, the strong Thai influence was fading away going by the music. The only thing that's left is the place it was recorded in, which is really not intro paragraph material. There could be a new section in the body, but if it's going to be one line then there's no real point, and searching for even less relevant facts just to justify putting that in isn't the way to go either. So, every edit is kind of like this. I know we're destined to disagree 4 life but that's fine with me. From my point of view by cutting out the inessential I'm making the articles waste less of the user's time (90% aren't hardcore Hirasawa fans), which is what I assume Wikipedia's guidelines are there for in the first place.

This situation would be much clearer with more than two opinions though.

Myonmiya (talk) 01:28, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good.

Yeah, a big problem is just how weird a lot of the things sound. I notice that with some articles the sentences are way too long. Or that mistakenly there are two different ideas in one sentence and a comma is used as a period. What I mean is that ideas are meant to be connected to each other in a sentence. If you write about something that is different from what is introduced in a sentence after a comma, my friend was mean to me. (Reader will be confused. A list of things is different because it connects to something, but it has to made clear that it's a list beforehand. I don't know if that makes sense, I'm not the best at explaining.)

Anyway, I'm going to do a few more pages. I just want to clean up if anything.

Myonmiya (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:47, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Yo, I've cleaned up the main page a bit, or at least the start of it. You can also see that there are now links to explain what an ILS is on every page. However, I still believe that the articles could do without them barring Hirasawa's page where it tells the reader about their existence. It's jarring to have a section a whole section called "Interactive Live Show" in the table of contents and have to need an explanation before you know what it is. Again, through the eyes of someone who knows nothing.

If you're concerned with losing the information you've invested a lot of time into acquiring, I think you should put it on the Wikia site. Also did the P-Model page ever have extended information on it? I'm guessing you split it up for each album. It sort of doesn't work because if someone wants to know about a P-Model album they won't be interested in the band's history and line-up changes. It should jump right to information about the album imo.

Myonmiya (talk) 11:55, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I'm done editing for now. The articles aren't perfect by any means, but it's closer to what I had in mind than what they looked like before. I was actually browsing other pages with strong fandoms recently and noticed that some of them had a similar history, where at first there was a large information dump and over time it was cut down to the basics. But eh, if whatever I have done needs to be reverted then I don't have much of a problem with it. It's just something I did to show a possible alternative to what was in place.

Yeah, the Scuba article... I don't know the exact details but it's clearly an important album. I mean, compare it to the significance of ICE-9... I'm not really sure why I thought that article was necessary for Wikipedia. Anyway, I just thought that it would eventually be filled with information by someone else. I'm not really sure how the deletion process works on here, maybe it's the right thing to do for some of these pages.

Oh and for the Kayo Dot thing, I think it would be best if the bit about Hirasawa was included on the album's page instead of Hirasawa's (when/if someone makes it).

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Hirasawa Siren sources

Hi Wunkt2, I am currently writing a paper on Susumu Hirasawa's Mermaid Song for an electronic music class. Your article was the most complete source I could find on the album, and I wanted to ask if you still had access to the sources used in it, as I could not find the Rockin' On Japan article, and the P-MODEL book was unobtainable for my institution. If possible I'd like to discuss these sources, as this is proving to be a difficult topic to research. Vallytine (talk) 23:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)