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who call us turkish? english man. do we call us as turkish? no we re turks and we always introduce ourselves as turks. who cares if english call us turkish? we are turks we know and remember our roots. english man trying to seperate us by calling us turkish like we are something diffrent. WE MAY LOOK DIFFRENT IN APPEARENCE(I AM SLANT EYED for instance) BUT IN ESSENCE IN CORE, WE ARE THE SAME.

− and now we are not different we are anatolian turks and descendads of ancient central asia turks. i am a tatar turk living in turkey and calling us such bullcrap shows how you ignorant regarding turks of anatolia.

− − from the central asia turks>oghuz turks> seljuk turks> ottoman turks> turks of turkey. we are this we are turks of anatolia, your bullcrap doesnt change the fact!

− − and to add this we do not call mongolians as turks we call them brothers or cousins. i think you are and mongolian, such people like you is shame for all of us, i dont call you brother because you are defile. i dont know where do you get this information(mongolians being turks) but this is just bullshit. no educated turk! claims that but 15 years old children.

− − ps: modu shanyu is a turk.

− − yes there is diffrence between turkish and turkic. turkic is a family and turkish(i prefer turks of anatolia) is the only one part of it

− − without knowing any crap about history of a race i cant imagine how they let you to write something in wiki pedia.

− − FOR THE LAST DO NOT CALL TURKS OF ANATOLIA AS TURKISH ITS ANNOYING!!!!!!!!!

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Well, Turkish refers to the people in the country of Turkey (as you say, Turkiye). Kazakh, Uzbek, Uighur, etc. are not Turkish. I know in Turkey you say "Turk", but I have only had one semester of Turkish at school, so I use english to type, and in English, the word for people from Turkey (Turkiye) is "Turkish".

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I am glad that you acknowledge that others like Mongolians (Manchus, etc.) are not Turks, but related groups... the really extremist nationalists who say they are Turks are just ignorant and annoying--and probably are not older than teenagers. It is hard to even have a discussion about the history of Turanian peoples, languages, history, culture, etc. without those kind of people butting in and spewing nonsense.

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Xiongnu... were they Turks, Mongols, a mixture, or their own group who dominated the others? That's the question, and I'd say they are Turk before I will believe the "Finno-Ugrian" theory about Magyars (whose language has a lot of basic Turkic aspects you would not expect to be simply borrowed through contact). In this sense, perhaps Xiongnu are Proto-Turk, or even Proto-Mongol, but the time of their empire was much earlier than the Gokturk Empire, Uighur Empire, Kirgiz, Mongol, etc. so I think it's possible they are their own group since their empire is much older and they came earlier in history, but could have had Turkic and Mongol elements that were subjugated by the Xiongnu since they (Turks, Mongols, etc.) had no big empire of their own at the time.

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To simply say they were a mixture of tribes I think is ridiculous because they would need a common language, and why would Turks and Mongols come together to form a nation when there were so many power struggled within their own groups already? The word "Turk" did not come about until later, although I acknowledge it is definitely not to say they didn't exist earlier, which they obviously did. The same goes for "Magyar", which wasn't mentioned until about the 7th or 8th centuries, though they obviously existed much earlier as a group as well.

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By the way, please sign yourself next time, so I might know whom I'm addressing --Xiaogoudelaohu (talk) 03:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)