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Τροπαια Παναθηναικου

Ωραια, αφου το θελετε ετσι θα γραψουμε μονο τα τροπαια που αναφερουν οι επισημες ιστοσελιδες του ΠΑΟ. Προσεξε ομως: Θα διαγραφει το βαλκανικο κυπελλο στο ποδοσφαιρο, το πρωταθλημα του 1970 στο βολλευ γυναικων και ενα καρο αλλα τροπαια που δεν υπαρχουν στο www.pao.gr και στο www.panathinaikos1908.gr. Αφου το θελετε ετσι, θα το κανουμε ετσι! -- Picker78 (talk) 15:20, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Φιλε τα εχεις μπερδεψει λιγο. Το πρωταθλημα του ΣΕΓΑΣ ηταν Πανελληνιο! Ακριβως ο λογος που συμμετειχαν μονο ομαδες της Αθηνας ειναι οτι τοτε η Θεσσαλονικη ανηκε στην Οθωμανικη Αυτοκρατορια. Ο Παναθηναικος πηρε το πρωταθλημα του 1911 μονο, κανενα αλλο. Τα υπολοιπα που ειδες ειναι εφευρεσεις καποιων. Αλλωστε απο το 1913 και μετα δεν εγινε κανενα πρωταθλημα γιατι η χωρα ηταν διαρκως σε πολεμο. Αλλα σου το ξαναλεω: To θεμα ειναι τι θα κανουμε με τα υπολοιπα πρωταθληματα, οχι στη σελιδα Panathinaikos FC αλλα στη σελιδα Panathinaikos AO που εχει ολα τα τροπαια. Αν ειναι να συμπεριλαβουμε μονο αυτα που αναφερει το επισημο site www.panathinaikos1908.gr, τοτε πρεπει να αφαιρεσουμε τελειως απο εκει το βαλκανικο κυπελλο στο ποδοσφαιρο (προφανως δεν το αναφερει επειδη ειναι ατυπο κυπελλο), το πρωταθλημα βολει γυναικων του 1970 (του οποιου η υπαρξη και επισημοτητα επισης αμφισβητειται) και καποια αλλα επισης τροπαια. Αν θελεις να αφαιρεσουμε το τροπαιο του 1911 απο τη σελιδα Panathinaikos AΟ, τοτε θα πρεπει να αφαιρεσουμε και αυτα τα τροπαια που σου ειπα για να ακολουθησουμε πιστα τα επισημα sites. -- Picker78 (talk) 21:37, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Παρε και ενα λινκ απο ενα ανεξαρτητο σαιτ που αναφερει τα 500 τροπαια του Παναθηναικου ακριβως τοτε που συμπληρωθηκαν (σημερα εχουν προστεθει ακομα 9) και τα κοριτσια του βολει φορεσαν τις εορταστικες φανελες για τα 500 τροπαια του συλλογου: http://www.sportaction.gr/document.php?category_id=146&document_id=124391. Θα δεις οτι το πρωταθλημα του ΣΕΓΑΣ ειναι μεσα στα Πρωταθληματα Ελλαδος του ποδοσφαιρου (αν και εχει κανει λαθος τη χρονολογια γραφοντας 1919). Γενικα μη στηριζεσαι απολυτα στα επισημα σαιτ, εχουν ανακριβειες και παραλειψεις. Παντως το πρωταθλημα του ΣΕΓΑΣ ηταν 100% Πανελληνιο στην εποχη του! Παρε και αυτο το λινκ για να καταλαβεις οτι εχεις αδικο (δες τι λεει για το Γουδι, τον Πειραικο και τον Εθνικο Αθηνων): http://www.gazzetta.gr/lola-koutsompola/item/35502-%CE%9Co%CE%B9%CE%AC%CE%B6%CE%B5%CE%B9-%CE%BC%CE%B5-%CF%80%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%BC%CF%8D%CE%B8%CE%B9-%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%AC%CE%B6%CE%B5%CE%B9-%CE%BC%CE%B5-%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1. -- Picker78 (talk) 22:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Σε πολλα σαιτ των οπαδων του Παναθηναικου θα δεις οτι μετρανε στα Πρωταθληματα Ελλαδος και το πανελληνιο πρωταθλημα του 1911 (το 1916 που αναφερεις ειναι ραδιο αρβυλα). Απλα εχει περασει η γραμμη της ΕΠΟ και αναγνωριζει μονο τα πρωταθληματα που εκεινη εχει διοργανωσει. Αυτο μπορει να αλλαξει, αλλα οχι αν οι ιδιοι οι οπαδοι του Παναθηναικου εχουν αυτοκαταστροφικες τασεις οπως εσυ. Τελος παντων, εγω βαρεθηκα, καντε ο,τι γουσταρετε. -- Picker78 (talk) 22:43, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

To ξερω αυτο που μου εγραψες, ειναι λιγο ακυρος ομως ο τυπος. Το μονο σιγουρο πρωταθλημα τοτε ειναι αυτο του 1911. Τελος παντων, ας γραψουμε μονο τα πρωταθληματα που εχει το www.panathinaikos1908.gr για να συμβαδιζουμε και με το επισημο site. -- Picker78 (talk) 21:13, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

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Panathinaikos Seasons

Καλησπέρα, βλέπω ότι διαγράφεις από το άρθρο το κομμάτι που αφορά τις σεζόν του Παναθηναϊκού. Σε αυτή τη λίστα αναγράφεται λεπτομερώς και με εύχρηστο τρόπο όλη η ιστορία του συλλόγου. Ο πίνακας αυτός δεν υπάρχει πουθενά αλλού και μεγάλο μέρος προέρχεται από αρχειακό υλικό που είναι δύσκολο να συγκεντρωθεί. Παρέχει χρησιμότατα στοιχεία για να εμπλουτιστεί η ιστορία της ομάδας και θεωρώ ότι είναι αναγκαία η παραμονή του στο κυρίως άρθρο. Επικαλείσαι το θέμα της έκτασης, όμως την ίδια στιγμή παρατηρώ ότι στο άρθρο υπάρχουν κομμάτια που είναι μικρότερης σημασίας. Αν θες να ελατώσεις τους τομείς του άρθρου (πράγμα που δεν υπάρχει λόγος να γίνει) θα μπορούσες να ξεκινήσεις από αυτά. Το κομμάτι Notable players δεν έχει καμία τεκμηρίωση και αξία καθώς οι αθλητές που αναγράφονται βασίζονται σε προσωπικές εκτιμήσεις του κάθε χρήστη. Το κομμάτι International record περιλαμβάνεται ήδη στο seasons, όσο για το The road to the six Euroleague victories τα στοιχεία μπορούν να βρεθούν ακολουθώντας τα links από το seasons, πράγμα που συμβαίνει και για το Less significant European successes. Οπότε αν θεωρείς ότι υπάρχει πρόβλημα με το μέγεθος του άρθρου θα ήταν σωστότερο να ξεκινήσεις σβήνοντας ή μεταφέροντας τα παραπάνω άρθρα και όχι το seasons που τα περιλαμβάνει όλα αυτά με σωστότερο τρόπο. Επίσης δεν υπάρχει κανένας λόγος να φτιάξεις ξαχωριστό άρθρο panathinaikos seasons.Sportin (talk) 12:40, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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List of unrelegated association football clubs

You removed a team from the abovementioned list and stated the Superleague is just a name change of the previous Greek League. What are your sources to claim the Superleague is just a name change and nothing more? Tridek Sep (talk) 22:26, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

What are the sources that it is sth different?

http://www.rsssf.com/tablesg/grkchamp.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superleague_Greece#Seasons_in_Alpha_Ethniki_and_Superleague_Greece

it's the same league with the same system since 1959-60 with a different name from 2006

it has nothing to do with other countries like Soviet Union-Russia ,Yugoslavia etc Zaravakos (talk) 22:40, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on Greek football. Therefore, I can only rely on sources that are readily available. The RSSSF.com database does indeed list all football seasons since 1959 as part of the National League. This website is however not very consistent in giving names to different Greek football seasons on their specific pages. For example, the 2009-10 season is called A Ethniki Kategoria on this page. The Wikipedia article about the Greek Superleague states 1927 as its founding date. Which is of course the year when football was first organised on a national level in Greece, but certainly not the birth date of the Superleague. Interesting, the website of the Superleague itself does not have information on competition prior to 2006. Like on this page for example.

If I understood Greek, I could search for more relevant information. Unfortunately, I do not. Tridek Sep (talk) 23:46, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

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