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Zaporozhye

So that you and User:Taivo don't edit war over the article on Zaporozhye, I have made a compromise edit incorporating elements of what both of you want. I have also created redirects so that links are not in red.

Please note that in England:

• Earth = name of the planet = Earth
• earth = substance on the ground = Soil

So making wood-earth fortifications makes perfect sense in English.--Toddy1 (talk) 17:04, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

• Possibly you are right, but most of the people of Earth planet use now days US English

--Zas2000 (talk) 18:26, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Since you are not a native speaker of English, please do not try to correct the English editing of those who are. In US English, "wood-earth" is perfectly acceptable and is, indeed, the preferred way to state this. Also your continued reversions are not welcome. If you make a change and one of us corrects your English, do NOT revert that change. --Taivo (talk) 22:13, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for your suggestions, but first I need to make sure that you are a native speaker, now I'm not sure about that yet

I'll edit all that is wrong with my point of view

--Zas2000 (talk) 22:20, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Zaporozhye edit war

We need to resolve the edit war over the article on on Zaporozhye between Taivo and Zas2000. I have gone through your differences sentence by sentence, and created a structure where you can explain them in a way that a mediator can understand. Please can you add comments, citations, etc. to Talk:Zaporizhia#Please_can_we_stop_this_edit_warring_and_make_a_compromise.--Toddy1 (talk) 06:58, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

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18 September 1943

What is the source for the claim that Hitler visited HQ Army Group South on 18 September 1943? It is not mentioned by von Manstein in his book Lost Victories. On the contrary, that book says the von Manstein had a meeting with Hitler on 15 September, and then returned to his headquarters (i.e. the meeting was not at HQ Army Group South.

Note that HQ Army Group South moved from Zaporozhe in mid-September 1943.--Toddy1 (talk) 12:49, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Zaporizhia - October 1943

What are the sources for the following statements?

• The Soviet Southwestern Front, commanded by Army General Rodion Malinovsky, attacked in mid-October
• and managed to surprise a large German force in Zaporizhia
• and captured it.

read this for beginning and study references in there http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodion_Malinovsky --zas2000 (talk) 13:57, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Rodion_Malinovsky#Stalingrad_and_Ukrainian_Front has no citations at all.--Toddy1 (talk) 14:02, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

• The first Red Army tank to enter the city was commanded by Lieutenant Yatsenko;
• he and his crew were killed in the battle for the city;
• the grateful dwellers still keep the memory of these soldiers.

Read this and references in there:

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AF%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE,_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B9_%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

• The retreating Germans blew up, looted all in the city (DnieproGES, plants, people)

--Toddy1 (talk) 13:25, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Read this http://misto.zp.ua/article/articles553.html,

Nuremberg Manstein case and his book Lost Victories. Manstein got 15 years in prison for what he did on the occupied Ukraine

http://www.zabor.zp.ua/zaporozhye/istoria/voina_v_zaporozhye.htm --zas2000 (talk) 13:57, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - this is a useful source.--Toddy1 (talk) 14:06, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Award

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Linking to Russian wikipedia articles

I have remembered how to do wikilinks to Russian language wikipedia. For example: Lieutenant Yatsenko.--Toddy1 (talk) 17:17, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

• http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AF%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE,_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B9_%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

--zas2000 (talk) 17:23, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

• http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Яценко,_Николай_Лаврентьевич

The recipe is simple: firstly copy the Latin part of the address -> paste it. secondly do the same with the Cyrillic part.--zas2000 (talk) 18:04, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

You bad understand. [[:ru:Яценко, Николай Лаврентьевич]] = ru:Яценко, Николай Лаврентьевич

To make it work, need type :ru: before Russian wikipedia article name.

No need for http://....--Toddy1 (talk) 18:19, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

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Dnieper Hydroelectric Station

If you think that Wikipedia should call the hydro-electric dam at Zaporozhye: DneproGES instead of DniproHES, the place to make the change is the article on the Dnieper Hydroelectric Station. If you can make the change, and have it stick, then it will be fine to use that spelling in the article on Zaporozhye.

Having the article on Zaporozhye call it DneproGES and the article on the on the dam call it DniproHES is confusing for English speaking readers of Wikipedia.

Incidentally, in normal English these things are called "hydro-electric dams", though the term "hydroelectric power station" is also acceptable. "Hydroelectric station" is not normal English. Whether you write "hydro-electric" or "hydroelectric" is a matter of choice; both are acceptable; I believe "hydro-electric" is more normal.

A quick search reveals the following frequency on Google for things written in English:

• Dnipro HES - 283,000 (however there were very many false positives with this)
• DneproGES - 7,160
• DniproGES - 422
• DniproHES - 340
• DneproHES - 58

(In each case, I went to the last item found - as the Google algorithms give a more accurate count if you do this.)

--Toddy1 (talk) 06:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Something should be chosen. Dam has to be called "The DneproGES". The DneproGES has birth certificate named in it as "Днепровская Гидро-Электрическая Станция "(ДнепроГЭС)- DneproGES, see [1] and [2]

Yandex.ru says :

• DneproGES - 4119
• DniproGES - 1147
• DniproHES - 1256
• DneproHES - 23
• Dnipro HES - 1655

--zas2000 (talk) 12:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

The answer is that you need to persuade people on Talk:Dnieper Hydroelectric Station, and then change that article.--Toddy1 (talk) 13:00, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

These two towers set a straight line of the central street of the district

What do you mean by this statement?--Toddy1 (talk) 06:12, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

• This is the figure of speech, bird's language that is used some journalists in their articles about art - To many nice and pleasant sounds and almost no meaning. In this particular sentence, it means that the central avenue of very straight, and two tall towers just point to it. Nothing more.

--zas2000 (talk) 13:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Dnieper Hydroelectric Station

The article used to say that it "is the largest hydroelectric power station in Ukraine and was the largest in Europe at the time of its construction. It is situated on the Dnieper River in Zaporizhzhia."

Those are two claims to notability:

• largest hydroelectric power station in Ukraine
• was the largest in Europe at the time of its construction

The article now says that it "is the largest hydroelectric power station on the Dnieper River in Zaporizhia".

Are there other hydroelectric power stations on the Dnieper in Zaporizhia?

Are you saying that it is not true that it is the largest hydroelectric power station in Ukraine?

Are you saying that it is not true that it was the largest in Europe at the time of its construction? --Toddy1 (talk) 21:27, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

• Now the article abstract says: "The Dnieper Hydroelectric Station is the largest hydroelectric power station on the Dnieper River, placed in Zaporizhia, Ukraine".

On your Are you saying that it is not true that it was the largest in Europe at the time of its construction? This information should be placed in the body of the article. In there one might give some additional information - how long it was the largest power station, which station beat it, what was the winner power and who build and so on.

Again: The abstract is not the best place for this kind of information. For me, much better to add in the abstract, that the station was built on desert land in the countryside to aggravate Ukrainian industrialization --zas2000 (talk) 22:05, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

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" Ferry+ Kichkas bridge"

To Toddy1: В результате вашего редактирования пропала интересная и полезная информация о Кичкаской переправе:

• Мост назван по имени древнейшей переправы, существовавшей со скифских времен
• Мост построили сразу после последнего из порогов
• Кичкаский мост был первым железнодорожным мостом в нижнем течении Днепра и находился в 10-14 км от города, т.е находился вне городской черты
• Причем здесь коммунистическая революция? Революция была через десять лет после окончания строительства моста, с какой целью вы о ней пишите?
• Мост связал Никопольское железно-никилевое местрождение с Донецким углем. --zas2000 (talk) 03:08, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

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You made an edit after you clearly failed to reach consensus at the talk page of the article. I had to revert it. Please next time wait until consensus is reached. In the meanwhile, you may want to read WP:CONSENSUS. If you continue to ignore this policy, your account may be blocked from editing. Thank you for understanding.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:16, 21 April 2013 (UT

I've made request to my opponent, he keeps silence, which understand as we got consensus. What is wrong with it?--zas2000 (talk) 13:25, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

No, it is not consensus. Please read the policy. In addition, he is absent on weekends.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:36, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I would like to remind you our last "consensus" on the Branch of Lebedev Instute. You also kept silence and till now I don't know did we get consensus or not?--zas2000 (talk) 13:43, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, I explicitly said I do not object; concerning the notability, this is a secondary point, and I am unwilling to invest any time in it as it is not going to result in any change. Note that I was employed in Troitsk for five years, and it is unlikely that this research would yield anything interesting for me.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:46, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I am employed in Troitsk for 40 years--zas2000 (talk) 13:51, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Then how comes that you do not know that the Lebedev Institute is located in Moscow?--Ymblanter (talk) 13:55, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

"this research would yield anything interesting for me."

We are discussing how long should wait the response of my opponents?--zas2000 (talk) 14:00, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I am not quite sure what we are discussing. I gave you a warning that the next time you might be blocked, or at least reported to ANI. Apparently, you wanted to discuss smth else, but I am generally not so much interested in an unstructured discussion. May be I should quit now.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:03, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Sure--zas2000 (talk) 14:07, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

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