Zelkia1101

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November 2020

Hello, I'm Elizium23. I noticed that you recently removed content from Mitt Romney without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 14:28, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Retracted due to my mistake. Elizium23 (talk) 14:38, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

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Vital people

I’d be curious to know why you picked Beethoven over other composers like Bach or Mozart for level 1. It seems odd that there is only 1 composer at this level. Interstellarity (talk) 19:23, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: There is also only one visual artist on that list, Leonardo da Vinci. Two writers, Homer and William Shakespeare, were added because of the relative importance of literature in human life compared to the visual arts and music. As for why Beethoven, both Mozart and Beethoven are relatively equal in terms of English-language page views, while Bach lags behind significantly. Mozart and Beethoven are also neck and neck on Google trends. I chose Beethoven over Mozart because the spread of Beethoven's work is significantly larger than Mozart's. Beethoven's works are more diverse than Mozart's, and Beethoven has usually edged out Mozart on Google ngram. The two are more or less equal, but I think Beethoven edges him out, especially because he straddles both Baroque and Classical genres. Zelkia1101 (talk) 20:06, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I would also recommend sorting the articles chronologically for level 2 rather than alphabetically. I think it is helpful to see which people were around during a certain period. Interstellarity (talk) 15:58, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: I chose alphabetical order because it was easier on me and presumably easier to find people, but I may switch to chronological in the near future.

I have another suggestion on how to improve the list. On the Level 2 page, I think the people at level 1 should be bold italics while the people on level 1.5 should be in bold. I think this will help readers have a better idea of what people you consider vital or not. Interstellarity (talk) 20:48, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: Level 1.5 is an informal designation that doesn't count for anything really. I just thought it would be cool to have an informal separation between the top 200 and top 500 most important biographies. All Level 1.5 articles are actually Level 2 articles, unless they are bolded, in which case they are Level 1. I feel like having all of the Level 1.5's bolded on the Level 2 list would just be too much, since 2/5ths of the list would be in bold and I think that kind of looks jarring. Zelkia1101 (talk) 21:56, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

I counted all the articles in your level 1 vital people list and found that you are one under quota. The Science, mathematics and invention (10 articles) section has nine articles and not ten. If you could fix that, that would be great. Interstellarity (talk) 22:44, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

This section has 9 articles, not 8. Also, I counted all the articles and found that there are 506 articles on the list. You might want to consider removing 6 articles that are not that particularly important. Interstellarity (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: As you can probably tell, numbers are not my strong suit. I was actually short 3 on the Level 1 list and up 5 on the level 2 list. You can see the changes I made on each page's talk page, where the change log is.

I was wondering what you think of adding Emperor Meiji to the list of 500 alongside Hirohito on the list since Hirohito is the only modern Japanese leader on the list. Interstellarity (talk) 22:47, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Both Hirohito and Meiji were actually supposed to be on this list, but I realized that I was missing Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and swapped Meiji with him, as I judged Meiji to be less important or relevant than Hirohito and Kemal. Meiji's influence as a historical figure is tightly confined to Japan, unlike Hirohito, who is associated with a world war, while Kemal is much more popular with our users and is a key figure in Middle East secularism/democracy/etc. I'm not opposed to adding Meiji per se, but I cannot do it cold, so you would have to convince me to swap one of the 50 modern leaders with him. Zelkia1101 (talk) 03:15, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

I'd be interested to know why you haven't included many popes on this list. It seems you list only two or three. I would also be interested in knowing if you could consider including Elizabeth II or the 14th Dalai Lama on the list. I understand that these people are still alive, but I would like to know if you would include them. Interstellarity (talk) 19:51, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: There are four popes on the list (Saint Peter, Pope Urban II, Pope Alexander VI, and Pope John Paul II). I originally had Pope Innocent III as well, but I had him swapped out early. What suggestions do you have? The current Dali Lama is just not famous or influential enough. As for Queen Elizabeth, I did strongly consider adding her, but this list already has too many living people. Maybe a swap with Valentina Tereshkova, or when she dies? Zelkia1101 (talk) 16:09, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

That’s fair. We can talk about that when the time comes. Interstellarity (talk) 16:42, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I was wondering if you would replace Andrew Jackson with Harry S. Truman. Truman was a much more influential president than Jackson and would make for a better addition. Interstellarity (talk) 18:21, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Harry Truman is an underrated president in terms of both quality and importance. I'd argue that any day of the week. He did more than probably any other world leader to organize Western foreign policy from WW2 until the collapse of the Soviet Union. But internally, Jackson is far more important for U.S. history, and his reach in pop culture goes much further. For that reason, I chose Jackson over Truman. I think the spread of U.S. presidents is fine as it is. We have two from the early republic, one from the pre-civil war, one from the civil war, one from the progressive era, one for ww2 and the great depression, and one for contemporary, monetarist America. That pretty much covers all of the periods. Adding Truman, who comes right after FDR and kind of lives in his predecessor's shadow, means the list is a bit crowded.

Holiday greetings (2021)

Zelkia,
I sincerely hope your holiday season goes well this year especially with what we went through last year. I'm optimistic that 2022 will be a better year for all of us: both in real life and on Wikipedia. Wishing you the best from, Interstellarity (talk) 13:11, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

that’s incredibly kind of you, @Interstellarity:! Here’s to a 2022 filled with success and happiness! Zelkia1101 (talk) 19:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Adding Elizabeth II to the list

Hi Zelkia, because Elizabeth II has died, I was wondering if you would reconsider adding her to the list. I asked you about this before and you said it was too soon so I am wondering what your thoughts are on adding her to the list. Interstellarity (talk) 18:49, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Zelkia, I noticed it's been a while since you responded to me. I do think that Elizabeth II is an article that is worthy of this level and would be interested to know if you would add her to the list. Interstellarity (talk) 15:41, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Suggested additions

Hi Zelkia, I've done some research on good people to add to the list. Here are some additions you might want to consider: Mimar Sinan, Diego Velazquez, Abu Nuwas, Jorge Luis Borges, Anton Chekhov, Hafez, Kalidasa, Naguib Mahfouz, Marcel Proust, Alexander Pushkin, Antonin Dvorak, Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina, Giacomo Puccini, Franz Schubert, Giuseppe Verdi, Ingmar Bergman, Marlene Dietrich, Sergei Eisenstein, Federico Fellini, Satyajit Ray, Tim Berners-Lee, Euclid, Galen, James Prescott Joule, Chanakya, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, Martin Heidegger, Jean-Paul Sartre, Sima Qian, Zhu Xi, Rosa Luxemburg, Kwame Nkrumah, Umar, Abraham, Al-Ghazali, Moses. I hope this list gives you a good idea on which people to list. I would be interested in seeing who you swap. Interstellarity (talk) 00:04, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

It appears that you haven't responded to my message in quite some time. Are you still interested in maintaining your list of vital people or have you moved on to other things? Interstellarity (talk) 11:32, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Charles III requested move discussion

There is a new requested move discussion in progress for the Charles III article. Since you participated in the previous discussion, I thought you might like to know about this one. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 05:40, 24 July 2023 (UTC)