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Thanks very much - I appreciate this information, and have reworked the text so it is 'freshly written' rather than copied from my work website biography. Thank you for processing the changes. Alan ZigGibson (talk) 13:13, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Alan (Zig) St Clair Gibson (October 27)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by S0091 were:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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S0091 (talk) 18:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ZigGibson! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! S0091 (talk) 18:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, appreciated - I put in references to evidence that I have done the jobs I describe as per Facebook page of the University of Waikato, and the Wordpress page was simply a link to the place where the blogs have been published. However, as per your request, I have removed these, put in more esteem details and removed the personal information section. I am a world leader in the field of system control mechanisms in physiology, and the links to my publhsed theories are via PubMed and are incontrovertible, and highly cited. Whether I or somenoe else write this it would make no difference to the facts evident in what has been written. Thanks however for your time and effort in reviewing the submission so quickly and hope it is much improved now and meets the criteria for acceptance. Best wishes Professor Alan St Clair GIbson MBChB PhD MD. ZigGibson (talk) 22:43, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

October 2024

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions; however, it appears you may have written a Wikipedia article, or a draft for a Wikipedia article, about yourself, at Draft:Alan (Zig) St Clair Gibson. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – please see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Notable people who have edited Wikipedia). If you wish to add to or change an existing article about yourself, you are welcome to propose the changes by visiting the article's talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was the page I created deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss this with the deleting administrator. Thank you. S0091 (talk) 18:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this reply, but it nowhere says its not allowed to put in a page about yourself - and I am a bone fide world leader in the academic world in the field of system control mechanisms in physiological control mechanisms. If I got someone else to write it or I wrote it will make no difference to these facts. I will remove the offending references, which were news articles about my jobs, and resubmit. Best wishes Professsor Alan St Clair GIbson MBChB PhD MD ZigGibson (talk) 22:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Alan St Clair Gibson has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Alan St Clair Gibson. Thanks! Dan arndt (talk) 08:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Dan - could you explain why you have completely deleted my wikipedia page I have been working on for quite a bit of time. It is no different to a number of pages from my academic colleagues, and one of the theories I have proposed with co-authors already has its own wikipage (the 'Central Governor' - so why would you summarily delete it? Please undelete it and I will improve it as needed.

Sincerely

Alan ZigGibson (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Alan, I didn’t actually delete your page. The editor responsible stated it was deleted because it was unambiguous advertising or promotion: see WP:COI, WP:RS, WP:Notability (people), supposed independent sources are mainly his own publlications or other affiliated sites. It should be noted that Wikipedia is not for posting personal autobiographies. Based on your comments you appear to be trying to use Wikipedia for your own self promotion, which is not supported. Dan arndt (talk) 10:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

But nowhere does it say you cant make your own wikipedia page - and one of my co-authors has their own page, with the theory we made also having its own page, so why cant I make up my own honest page rather than ask someone else to do it? I can put in information about the fact that our work has its own wikipedia page - how many people have this? ZigGibson (talk) 10:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

And how to I contact the person that deleted the page I was working on, and how can I get the text back - it seemed to have disappeared completely, which is astonishing. ZigGibson (talk) 10:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Have a look at 'central governor' page, which describes the work we have put out which is now one of the most famous theories in SPort Science academic work. How much more does one have to do to have a webpage on Wikipedia? ZigGibson (talk) 10:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Your email

Hi, I got your email stating "Can you explain to me why you deleted my webpage which I have invested a fair bit of time creating? Alan". This kind of discussion belongs on your talk page, not in confidential emails, so I've moved it here. I have been looking at your history but I don't see anything that I deleted that was edited by you. Also, there is no such thing as "my web page" here, WP is not a social networking site. Anyway, give me a link to the page that you think I deleted and I'll have another look at it. As far as I can see, the only page that you created (Draft:Alan St Clair Gibson) was deleted by Jimfbleak, one of our most experienced editors, because it was not encyclopedic but promotional. Frankly, I don't think that somebody who describes himself (above) as "a bone fide world leader" (sic) is capable to write a neutral autobiography, so while this is not explicitly forbidden, it is strongly discouraged. --Randykitty (talk) 10:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Randy - please can you get it back for me - I would at least like to have the text I wrote as it seems to have disappeared completely. Please read the text again and you will see it is fairly bland, and I can't help the fact that I am a world leader in my field of research, it came from 35 years of hard work - and there is already a wikipage of one of our theories - type in 'central governor' - and my co-author of this theory, which is perhaps the most well known theory in Sport Science research, Tim Noakes, has a wikipage describing him - so why for him and not me? I apologise if I come across as arrogant - but the point of why I wrote this is I think it would be on interest to folk, and what would be the difference in asking someone else to write it? Apologies for calling it 'my web page'. Thanks for your understanding and help. Alan ZigGibson (talk) 11:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

• I still don(t see anything that I deleted, can you provide a link? I won't restore material deleted by another admin. --Randykitty (talk) 12:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I saw this after posting below. However notable you think you are, we need independent sources to confirm what you say, this isn't social media where you can write what you like. If you claim to have qualifications, jobs or awards, we need references to the bodies concerned. Your theories are notable only if other people discuss them, we don't care what you say about yourself. Your papers should go in an unsourced publications section, they can't be used as references Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for email. I think I've answered that now, and discussion will be kept here in public Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Jim, this and below is very helpful - I will try and do better next time I write this up. Its hard to put in links to confirm I have a MBCHB PhD and MD (I can't reference my certificates) and google scholar will vouch for my citation counts etc but again not sure I can reference google scholar. One of our theories already has a wikipedia page dedicated expressly to it 'central governor' and my co-author of this theory has a wikipedia describing his career (Tim Noakes), hence I am not sure why its odd for me to create such for myself. But as I said, I wil do better. Where can I find the original text, it seems to have disappeared completely. Best wishes Alan 86.182.11.145 (talk) 11:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

You can probably get away with using the Aberdeen site to verify that you have a job there and your basic qualifications, but anything more than that needs independent sources. For example, awards should be referenced to the awarding body. Your notability depends on your academic position and your awards, and your papers, as I've said, should be in a publications section since of themselves they aren't suitable for references and don't establish notability.

You sound aggrieved about Tim Noakes having an article, but while it's not perfect, it's mostly referenced to external sources rather than his own papers, and has had a multitude of editors, no indication that there is significant COI.

You probably realise that writing a biography of a living person here, even if it's not an autobiography, is harder than you think Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Jim, all very helpful - I will make all the changes you suggest, and take out all the hubristic adjectives, and make it a lot better before submitting again. I agree about the hardness of writing a biography - have learn a lot in the last day thanks to all of the Wikipedia teams input and honesty. Thanks you. Alan 86.182.11.145 (talk) 14:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Randykitty, thanks.

ZigGibson, You have an obvious conflict of interest, which you must declare on your user page or the article talk page. You are correct that writing about yourself is allowed, although obviously it's discouraged:

When you write about a person,

• you must provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that they meet the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the person or an associated organisation, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the person claims or interviewing them. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls.

• Much of your text was unreferenced, and the "sources" you did give included your own university page and your own articles, hardly independent third-party sources, and of course they can't establish notability.

• You must write in a non-promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic, with verifiable facts, not opinions or reviews.

• Your supposed academic qualifications and awards are unsourced, and can't be accepted in a BLP. You make unsubstantiated claims like He has published more than 150 scientific publications, which have been cited 15114 time with an H-Index of 66 and an H-10 Index of 135 on Google Scholar... world renowned..scientists who show promise of establishing themselves as top researchers in their fields within the next five years. He is mainly known for his contribution to novel theories...

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• I didn't check.

• You had no wikilinks, eg Durban.

The fact that other articles have not been deleted doesn't help you, either they met the criteria or should be deleted as well. See What about article x?. Also note that many articles would have been accepted before the notability guidelines were made stricter.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Alan St Clair Gibson (October 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DoubleGrazing were:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, it was deleted earlier this morning and kindly just reloaded, and I am aware I need to make singificant changes to it for it to be acceptable, and will do so going forward. Best wishes Alan 86.182.11.145 (talk) 14:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)