User talk:Zoney/Archive02

Hello, this is the second of my archive pages (see also my other archives). Please leave responses even to this page, on the main talk page where I and others will see them! Thanks!
zoney ███ talk 14:51, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

History of rail transport in Ireland

Very nice article. Thanks. Isomorphic 20:21, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

It's a work in progress! There's vast gaps in the middle - I have just the beginning and end at the moment!

Zoney 23:52, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

'ligion

Many have obviously been edited to death by atheists or pluralists. - LOL It's all very well acting appropriately towards others and their beliefs, but it's another to pretend that your faith is not the true faith. - this is an interesting way of putting it. But what do you think of "the God I can understand with my feeble mind is not worthy of my bended knees." :) If forced to, you must be truthful as to your views on other faiths, lifestyles, etc. Anyone who does otherwise is denying their faith (whatever it may be). Yes, but we have to understand that our "faith" cannot truly be spoken of - the "religion" which leads us to faith is just a language within a language -- (ie God talk or Biblespeak are a kind of sub-language of English, or Latin, Irish, etc...). There is nothing wrong with either disagreeing on issues, or in disagreeing on what terms to use -- but there must be a civil deference to neutral (non-local, non-biased) *terms, for any discussion to be had. I think that religious fighting happens not so much because people disagree on the principles, but on the terms (religious language) to use. Quite silly, if you think about it. Pluralism does not work, and is just part of the hypocrisy that is political correctness. 'Pluralism' is a common misnomer for humanism, which means that all *people can figure out what can be agreed on based on moral codes, many of which come to us by religious tradition. So I don't see how religious topics can ever be sensibly covered on Wikipedia - but to the views of unbelievers. -- Consider that it's not so much the "views of unbelievers" as it is "in neutral terms -- those which all know and therefore can use." ;) Thanks for being so forthcoming on your userpage, BTW. I have yet to put anything on mine... :) -Meerkat 17:36, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Talk:Rail transport in the United Kingdom

You're cordially invited to Talk:Rail transport in the United Kingdom#Country / Region Naming of all UK/GB/NI/Ire Rail & Rail History Pages for a final whirl around the naming debate. Best wishes --Tagishsimon

And we're off & racing at: Talk:Rail transport in the United Kingdom/Alternate naming schemes --Tagishsimon

I added a "Rail transport in Great Britain - Redirect to Rail transport in the United Kingdom" option to the scheme that you voted for, since it did not exist ... just thought you should know; I don't think it affects your vote. Oh, also, could you clarify your comment on history by amending the mistake you noted in whichever scheme table it was made; thanks. I'll keep alerting you to changes unless you confirm you're already watching the page. Meanwhile for other minor changes since your vote, check the history. --Tagishsimon

Hinduism "NPOV" Edit

You claimed npov in changing the declaration of Hinduism as the world's oldest major religion. The major faiths are Hinduism, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Jainism, Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, etc. Hinduism has been established by most scholars as predating Judaism. This is not the expression of fundamentalism but the statement of a generally accepted understanding. If you would like to discuss this, please register your comments on the Hinduism Talk page. --LordSuryaofShropshire 17:38, Apr 25, 2004 (UTC)

Well, current wording is fine 'generally accepted to be the earliest religion' (I'm sure its true of the prevailing secular view). My problem with an outright statement that Hinduism is the earliest religion – is that Judaism is held to be a progression of the belief of the early forefathers (Adam, Noah) in God (the God), with Christians believing that Christianity is simply a logical progression for Judaism. As such, we hold that our faith dates back to creation. I've posted to Talk:Hinduism at any rate.

Zoney 17:54, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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European Union

Good job at European Union#Legal history and governing treaties! Thanks! Peace be with you. -- Kaihsu 15:39, 2004 May 5 (UTC)

No problem! -- Emsworth 19:01, May 7, 2004 (UTC)

Hey Zoney, I was wondering, what software did you use for the new EU map? If I have the program too, then maybe I can translate it for the Chinese wikipedia too. Thanks!
-- ran 07:26, May 21, 2004 (UTC)

I like the EU map, but I think that color of rivers interferes with country borders. Please see Image_talk:EU_map_names_isles.png. --Romanm 08:03, 21 May 2004 (UTC)

How about you upload the blank map to Wikipedia? This way, other language versions can use it too.

-- ran 13:24, May 21, 2004 (UTC)

Will do. Back to broadband on Sunday 22nd evening time (GMT). I'll upload it then! Zoney 17:10, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

Coupé vs. Coupe

Please don't 'fix' American spelling to British or vice versa, and certainly not without putting it in your edit summary. The acute accent only occurs in British usage. No big deal, but it is normal Wikipedia practise to leave such things alone, unless the article is about a specifically British or American topic ... —Morven 18:44, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

My apologies. I admit it was delibrate. It is a very hard job to daily watch the massacring of the English language here and high degree of Americano-centricism. It was a one time slip. (C'mon, spelt coupe, it looks like its pronounced koup rather than koupay!!!) I do, and shall do, my best to hold my annoyance at bay! I do feel that articles not specifically pertaining to America alone should not be spelt using American English, but rather British/International English. However, I am aware that this is not WPs current policy. Bah!

In fairness, I wouldn't have reverted it back to that spelling. Had I done so, that would have been a more appropriate juncture at which to complain.

It's also fair to say, that my own additions and contributions are probably somewhat leaning towards Hiberno-English sentence constructions, grammar and such (there's not really any spelling differences) - so in the situation of being American, I would of course be yet another American English contributor.

What a débacle, eh? ;o) It shouldn't happen again! Zoney 22:23, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

I've attempted to make it a bit more sensible, with both spellings shown for the term coupe/coupé, and the relevant spelling for each compound term (US spelling for US terms and v.v.). Hopefully this is satisfactory and less blunt on my part. Zoney 22:36, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Thank you. Of course, you DO know Americans DO pronounce it like 'chicken coop', right? As an Englishman residing in the US, the differences in our common language are something I'm keenly aware of. Of course, some of the British/American differences are actually about the British usage changing since the 1700s and the American one staying the same ... but most of the spelling ones are rather more deliberate 'fixings' of the language in the American spirit of 'We're not going to let THEM tell US how to spell!'

This particular issue is of course how to spell and pronounce a word stolen from another language, French in this case. In the case of coupe/coupé, the British chose to keep the French spelling and pronunciation ... not that there aren't words where the British chose to horribly Anglicise a foreign word too. —Morven 23:02, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Vocabulary project

Hi Zoney, since you seem to be interested in the subtleties of the English language, particularly differences between American and British English, and since you write you are interested in computers - which I hope includes programming - I thought you might be interested in a project about learning, mainly languages I have started. It is described and discussed on my page. Please let me know there what you think about it. Get-back-world-respect 21:42, 29 May 2004 (UTC)

Motorway

Hullo Zoney, thanks for your interesting comments on Motorway.
A fuller reply is on User talk:Arpingstone
Best Wishes, Adrian.
Adrian Pingstone 08:48, 31 May 2004 (UTC)

I was very happy with your Motorway reply. No harm done and no offence taken, Best Wishes - Adrian Pingstone 14:04, 31 May 2004 (UTC)