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Category:Steve Ballmer

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:46, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Contains 0 articles. --Revolución (talk) 04:18, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians born in the 1930s

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 19:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Contains zero Wikipedians, is unlikely to grow for obvious reasons. YixilTesiphon Say helloBe shallow 23:47, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Obvious how? No one between 66 and 75 years old will ever come here? How narrow thinking is that? User:Dieter Simon was born in 1930 and User:Apwoolrich was born in 1938. It's true that right now "Wikipedians by age" indicates that there are more Wikipedians under 18 then over 38. Still that could be misleading. Added to that there is nothing else in Category:Wikipedians by generation for the pre-baby boom period. You might think those born in the 1930s would be dying out, which they would be as we all are ultimately, but according to the World Almanac if you live to 75 you're expectancy is to live another 11 years. (Life expectancy is 77 because of those that don't make it to 75) Lastly the Category:Wikipedians born in the 2000s is sillier for the foreseeible future. Until maybe 2012 it's unlikely will get enough to fit that to be noticeable. Plus people born in the 1930s could have a useful perspective when it comes to projects concerning World War II. If you want to delete all categories of Wikipedians by decade that could be a different matter, but what you're saying smacks of ageism to me.--T. Anthony 09:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Reasons as per T. Anthony (who doesn't appear to have actually voted...) Valiantis 14:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Yes, the category is empty but it looks all of those age-based wikipedian categories are empty. Sounds like someone — User:T. Anthony maybe? ;) — needs to fill them, not delete them. wknight94 14:31, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I don't feel that I should categorize someone without their say so. I'm in a well-represented generation and I already put myself as born in 1977 on the metawiki by age deal.--T. Anthony 01:58, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I did contact Dieter and Woolrich though to see what their views would be.--T. Anthony 06:34, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of Virtuti Militari

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 19:30, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Virtuti Militari is the highest Polish military decoration. Currently the category lists 129 cities, ships, military units and persons. Since this is not primary characteristic of a person, city etc. I recommend to convert it into list and put the list into Virtuti Militari article. It would reduce categories clutter (e.g. pilot Josef František has 5 of them) and it would discourage people to create new category for every medal in the history. Pavel Vozenilek 23:34, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - this is the most notable medal we have here and so far it's the only Polish award-related category, eventhough it has been in use for more than one year now. Also, creating a monstruous, never to be completed list out of it would definitely not solve the problem of not being a primary characteristic of a person. After all the people listed at Category:Nobel laureates did not wear their medals on their foreheads nor were they primary known for that award. Anyway, I see no need to delete just this one when there is a perfectly valid Category:Recipients of formal honors, which lists dozen of similar award sub-categories. Halibutt 01:25, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
One of the recipients, Ludvik Svoboda, has also highest awards of Czechoslovakia and Soviet Union (plus countless number of others - he liked them). Yet it is not his main characteristics - he was soldier, hero, professional traitor, defense minister and president. The list of holders on Virtuti Militari can be quite compact in form and will be better maintainable. I nominated this category because I saw it in an articles I was interested, the other medal categories should be dealt as well, IMHO. Pavel Vozenilek 01:38, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I would add that Virtuti Militari article already contains two incomplete lists, one is rather strange infobox form. Here's chance to make the article better and reduce overcategorisation. Pavel Vozenilek 01:43, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I do not consider it an overcategorization, it is rather the flaws of the category system itself, which could be healed only as a whole, not on a case-by-case. As to the list in the article - it lists mostly the members of the chapter, as well as some of the most notable personalities. However, if you are to prepare a list of all the 50,000 or so recipients - I am willing to change my vote to support ;) BTW, Svoboda has currently only 4 categories, which is not much. Winston Churchill has 11, Franklin D. Roosevelt has 27, Stalin has 12... Halibutt 03:27, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You are right that it is fault of category system. But seeing glacial pace of software used for Wiki I do not think it will be fixed n next couple of years. The put-everything-in-category people will be much faster. Pavel Vozenilek 00:59, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
A thing worth noting: the article on Virtuti Militari is FA now and IMO it definitely deserves a category. Halibutt

Keep The medal has the same meaning to Polish history as does the VC to the British and the Medal of Honor for the US etc.--Rhodie 21:12, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep The Virtuti Militari is equivalent to the US Medal of Honor, and is worth its own category. There are also thousands of recipients, so a category will be easier to maintain than a list. Elonka 19:49, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Boer War battles

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:47, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Battles have now been moved to where they belong in Category:Battles of the First Boer War and Category:Battles of the Second Boer War so this category is now redundant. Loopy 23:29, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People from Sao Paulo (city)

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:47, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Empty, covered by Category:Natives of Sao Paulo (city). MeltBanana 20:41, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Arts magazines

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The result of the debate was deleete --Kbdank71 20:34, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We are killing the whole Art vs. Arts thing, because it is hard to remember all the fine distinctions. This goes also. -- Fplay 23:24, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mexican militaries to Category:Mexican soldiers

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 20:36, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

poorly named duplicate. MeltBanana 20:35, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Ethnic groups by region

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 19:07, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the successful December 8th CFD which established "in country" as the naming convention for ethnic groups by country, the following category renamings are proposed regarding ethnic groups by region:

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Category:Soviet ships to Category:Ships of the Soviet Union

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 18:44, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Most enries already under correct name. Per policy. Joshbaumgartner 17:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:User Wikipedia/Counter Vandalism Unit to Category:Counter Vandalism Unit Member/wikipedia/en

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'The result of the discussion was Merge. The merge has been completed, and the category has been deleted. -- Essjay · Talk 21:46, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Deprecated category, only a few links, compared to hundreds on the new category. xaosflux Talk/CVU 17:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians with 4000-20000 edits

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 18:42, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Non used category, unlikey to get much use. xaosflux Talk/CVU 17:16, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians with 4000-20,000 edits

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Non used categoryunlikey to get much use. xaosflux Talk/CVU 17:16, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Former Lubavitchers

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 18:41, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Serves absolutely no useful purpose. JFW | T@lk 16:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:South Asian studies

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Category:Asian studies

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 18:40, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The first is empty, so might qualify for speedy, but it's linked up with the second, so I figured to put them both up here. The second contains only two sub-cats, the first, and another that appears to only marginally belong in the cat. - TexasAndroid 16:22, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Archaeology in France to Category:Archaeological sites in France

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 18:39, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicates, since all that is in the first is a single "site" subcat. The second form is beter populated, and better named for what they are actually containing, namely "site" articles. Suggest merge and remove the first without prejedice for rebuild if there are non-site archeology articles availible at some point in the future. - TexasAndroid 15:53, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Dallas/Ft. Worth-based companies

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Empty, and duplicate of Category:Dallas-Fort Worth Texas based companies which has many entries Neier 13:39, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Portuguese trainers

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Empty duplicate of conventional Category:Portuguese football managers. Delete Calsicol 12:51, 22 December 2005 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Gay UK MPs to Category:LGBT politicians from the United Kingdom

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 18:38, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This cat recently survived CfD with substantial feeling that it should be renamed. It already lists other politicians and would be more useful to draw in all politicians, not just those elected to Parliament. 'Gay' is less standard than LGBT. Being a subcat of Category:British MPs is creating problems, which would be relieved by this being a subcat of Category:British politicians instead. Mtiedemann 12:32, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Computer and video game clans

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 18:31, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Small category of which all members have been put up for AFD. QQ 10:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Modern amphibious wafare vessels of France

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Accidently created by me with stupid spelling error (wafare anyone?). Exists correctly as Category:Modern amphibious warfare vessels of France. Joshbaumgartner 07:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Melbourne suburbs to Category:Suburbs of Melbourne

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 17:18, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The propose form will match the other subcategories of Category:Suburbs of Australia. The only other exception, category:Hobart suburbs was nominated for renaming by someone else a few days ago. Honbicot 07:10, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Actors who guest starred on Miami Vice

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:17, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In contrast to all other subcats of Category:Actors by series, this includes all guest appearances, not simply regular cast

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Category:American television networks and Category:American radio networks for deletion

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

These categories was created by a user who attempted to rename the less ambiguous Category:United States television networks and Category:United States radio networks without bringing the matter here. He inserted the {{categoryredirect}} template (which caused a bot to recategorize many of the articles), but I reversed the process. The same user also performed a copy-and-paste move of List of United States cable and satellite television networks to List of American cable and satellite television networks, the latter of which was speedily deleted. —Lifeisunfair 04:14, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, definitely. An example of being both bold and reckless. User:Ceyockey 05:06, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep: ...and move the United States articles to these categories. As I stated below (#Category:U.S. aircraft to Category:American aircraft), there's nothing ambiguous about the word "American". I've never met anyone that thought "American" meant anything besides United States. Besides, starting categories with "American" is much more prevalent than starting them with "United States". wknight94 00:39, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as duplicate. -Sean Curtin 04:28, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah, good old Ronald20. Dollars to donuts he did this because I moved his "Mexico (subject)" categories to "Mexican (subject)" last week. Has anybody ever managed to figure out how to get him to acknowledge feedback? Could somebody attempt to explain to him that there's an ongoing and as-of-yet-unresolved debate about which wording to use for US-related categories, which doesn't negate the use of adjectives otherwise? At any rate: I've frankly ceased to care which one is used, as long as there's some consistency; it gets really irritating to have to double check every time I need to apply a US-related category whether it's "United States foo" or "American foo" in that particular case. But whichever one is kept, slap a {{categoryredirect}} on the other one, because this will happen again. Bearcat 09:15, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as duplicate. Gene Nygaard 21:46, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as duplicate. Ze miguel 17:53, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Prospect - Foreign Policy Top 100 Public Intellectuals

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:13, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary to have category listing for this because some people have made an article about this. It is a publication's opinion of who they consider to be the "top public intellectuals." J. Nguyen 03:13, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:U.S. aircraft to Category:American aircraft

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 17:12, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Standard seems to be "American" instead of "U.S." or "United States". wknight94 02:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:U.S. agricultural aircraft to Category:American agricultural aircraft

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 17:09, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Standard seems to be "American" instead of "U.S." or "United States". wknight94 02:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:United States radio to Category:American radio

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 17:08, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Standard seems to be "American" instead of "U.S." or "United States". wknight94 02:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:United States magazines to Category:American magazines

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 16:26, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Standard seems to be "American" instead of "U.S." or "United States". wknight94 02:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:United States newspapers to Category:American newspapers

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 16:25, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Standard seems to be "American" instead of "U.S." or "United States". wknight94 02:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:United States media to Category:American media

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 16:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Standard seems to be "American" instead of "U.S." or "United States". wknight94 02:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Media of Afghanistan
Category:Media of Africa
Category:Media of the Dominican Republic
Category:Media of Ecuador
Category:Media of Japan
Category:Media of the Netherlands
Category:Media of Singapore
Category:Media of South Africa
Category:Media of the United Kingdom
Category:Media of Zimbabwe
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Category:U.S. middle distance runners to Category:American middle distance runners

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 16:23, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Standard seems to be "American" instead of "U.S." or "United States". wknight94 02:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:U.S. sprinters to Category:American sprinters

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The result of the debate was Rename. Martin 23:20, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Standard seems to be "American" instead of "U.S." or "United States". wknight94 02:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:United States hurdlers to Category:American hurdlers

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The result of the debate was Rename. Martin 23:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Standard seems to be "American" instead of "U.S." or "United States". wknight94 02:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Tampa Bay Lightining

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Misspelled. The correct version is in Category:Tampa Bay Lightning. wknight94 00:06, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

*:BTW (being serious now), this category could be moved to speedy renaming section; I think it qualifies. -,-~R'lyehRising~-,- 01:32, 22 December 2005 (UTC)My bad. Don't know what I was thinking. Perhaps I was sidetracked by my own jest.[reply]
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Category:Tampa Bay

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Empty category created by an anonymous user who hasn't been here in months. Not sure about this one but I figure it should at least be renamed to Category:Tampa Bay region. I'm not sure if that region is defined officially though. wknight94 00:03, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]


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