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Category:Ships of the Royal Australian Navy

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 19:03, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Empty. Duplicate of correct Category:Royal Australian Navy ships. Joshbaumgartner 22:54, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Categories: Basque Mexicans, Castilian Mexicans, Catalonian Mexicans, Galician Mexicans

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 14:07, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

These categories are not needed. >>> Sagitario 22:43, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. informative, populated, fit scheme of ethnic cats - catalon people are ethnically distinct from spanish, as are galicians - Mayumashu 04:22, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Mayumashu's comments, and, in many ways, for the same reasons that it's worth distinguishing between English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish. - N (talk) 00:14, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Strong keep I am changing my vote to strong keep because I do not think it is appropriate to remove useful information for the sake of consistency with other categories. I have no personal involvement with these categories, but if they include people that are known to have family heritage specific to these regions, then they should be sub-categorised into these categories (even if the articles are also kept in the main Spanish category). - N (talk) 18:21, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Per Mayumashu and Nzd. --Vizcarra 20:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. We dont need those categories, it is true that catalon, basque or andalusian people have differences (language for instance) but they all share many things: nationality, religious faith, shared language (people in Barcelona speak Català but also Spanish), they also share cultural and traditional origins and backgrounds so they all can be categorized as Spanish Mexicans. It is also true that we distinguish between English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish but in most of the cases in wikipedia or outside we dont make subethnics of an ethic group, lets say, in India there are more than 20 languages spoken but we only distinguish one ethnic origin: Indian Mexicans, or what about China, we only have Category:Chinese Mexicans even when China is a multiethnic society. Well, thats my POV about this, but in case everybody votes for keeping then i will strongly recommend to think and check twice before categorizing anyone on this cats. If find ridiculous to have one person as Catalonian Mexican and also as Castilian Mexican!! (Ana Colchero) That makes nosense.

--Abögarp 15:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

True, in Mexico there are no ethnic distinctions really. That is exactly why we need this categories. Because information about national or ethnic origin is lost into the melting pot that is Mexico. Basques, for example, do not have the same ethnic origin as the rest of Spain and their language is not a romance language. The boundaries of Basque Country historically is not constrained by the boundaries of Spain but extends into France. Galicians are more Portuguese (culturally, ethnically and their language). Spain is nothing more than a federation of autonomous communities which used to be kingdoms, and in spite of Francisco Franco and his attempts to homogenize these regions and suppress their individual languages these regions are very different, Catalonia feels closer to Paris as it does to Madrid in many senses. The fact that Portugal is a different country and Galicia and Catalonia are not is more a matter of chance. In many ways Galicia, Castile and Catalonia can be differentiated more than England, Wales and Scotland. I do not think we could possibly break down the Category:Chinese Mexicans into regional groups, simply because that information is not as readily available as the information about Spain. --Vizcarra 18:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Those categories are silly. First of all, Vizcarra's arguments are absurd. Basques are not ethnically different from most Spaniards per se (that's a pseudo-nationalistic myth [1]) and even if they were, the fact that someone carries a Basque family name is not a proof of ethnicity. For centuries, Mexicans have adopted all sorts of family names for many reasons, including Catholic conversion, adoption, and archaic colonial practices. Every single natural son born in Mexico before the 20th century (and trust me, there were MANY before birth control and public welfare) had been given a capricious family name chosen by a priest which had nothing to do with his/her ethnicity. Every single Native American baptized by the Catholic Church was given a Spanish last name (give or take Andalusian, Castilian, Basque, Galician and even Sephardic, and those were MILLIONS). By using a family name as proof of ethnicity among Mexicans, even people like Benito Juárez, a pure blood Zapotec indian president would be classified as a Spanish-Mexican or Castilian-Mexican, which is totally absurd. And even if one in their lineage was an immigrant, the fact that they have been mixing for so long in a country like Mexico (were mixed marriages among all sorts of people have been the std since the 16th century) leaves your ethnic difference claims pretty much useless. Ruiz 20:18, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Notice the title of the CfA, German or Irish-Mexican categories are not included. There is not a single person added to the categories for CfD that has been added based on a last name. Also read Wikipedia's No Personal Attacks guideline "your cheap edits". --Vizcarra 07:11, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
"He/she"? How many female Davids do you know? If you are going speak for me (I don't know why on Earth you would) you may want to add my response to your remarks. One of them for example, was that Spanish Mexicans does not provide much information, since most Mexicans do have Spanish blood. Catalonian/Basque/Galician does provide more information. --Vizcarra 22:57, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
That's no excuse for creating those un-needed categories, Spain isn't like the UK. By the way, i'm the one who told YOU that most Mexicans already have Spanish blood and that the people in Category:Spanish Mexicans should be at least 1/4 Spanish descent or more. About you being a he or a she... I could care less what you are. ---> Sagitario 14:02, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
"unneeded" is POV. Most Mexicans have at least 1/4 sure. You may as well add the entire Category:Mexican people to Category:Spanish Mexicans. --Vizcarra 03:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Vizcarra: and what sort of "blood" is the "Spanish blood"? How do you sort the "Spanish blood" from the Castilian or the Catalonian "blood" among Mexicans? Ruiz 18:34, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Where did I mention blood anywhere. I mentioned origin. --Vizcarra 03:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
500 edits required prior to voting, see Ammendment and being a sockpuppet that only showed up to this discussion to support Sagitario after a five-month hiatus. --Vizcarra 22:24, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Strike out of Can-mex's vote removed. There is no such policy general policy, it was for one specific vote. However Can-mex's account is marked as a suspected sockpuppet. Osomec 14:27, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The description of the category doesn't mention purity, but origin. --Vizcarra 03:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mythical pederastic relationships

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 19:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Badly named. Haiduc 19:41, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Pederastic relationships

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 19:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Badly named. Haiduc 19:41, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Drag Bike

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 19:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This category does not fit in with the hierarchy. Furthermore, it contains only one article, one which probably shouldn't be in here. The creator of this category seems to be a confused anonymous user, probably a newbie. Aecis praatpaal 19:19, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category redirect warning: Category:Color & Category:Colour

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The result of the debate was keep at Category:Color --Kbdank71 14:12, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

130.159.254.2 (talk · contribs) misused the {{categoryredirect}} template to move everything in Category:Color to Category:Colour. Please confirm or deny whether the change is valid. --AllyUnion (talk) 09:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Verities of Rice to Category:Varieties of rice

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 19:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Queen's University to Category:Queen's University, Canada

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 14:13, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rename for the same reason given in the next nomination. -Mayumashu 04:07, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Queen's alumni to Category:Queen's University, Canada alumni

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 14:15, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to a more formal name that will avoid any confusion with the uni with the same name in Belfast. -Mayumashu 03:59, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rename per nom - N (talk) 23:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't Rename The school is known throughout the nation simply as Queen's. The school in Belfast is known as QUB and referred to commonly by that acronym. Similiar categories that follow the standard are [[Category:Columbia_alumni]], [[Category:Caltech Alumni]], etc.
  • Rename as per nom. Osomec 14:32, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename --- It might be known in "the nation" as Queen's, but Wikipedia is not limited to Canada's borders. Examples like Columbia and Caltech are not particularly relevant, because there are no other schools with identical or similar names (and if there are, then those articles/cats should also be renamed). 209.202.119.248 15:27, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People of Otago

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:18, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This category has one article; Category:Otagoites has a considerably larger number. As an Otagoite myself, I suggest transferring the odd-one-out, then deleting Category:People of Otago. Grutness...wha? 12:38, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

support from another otagoite. BL kiss the lizard 23:37, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • support. i wasn t careful in creating this cat - apologies. -Mayumashu 04:30, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • There seems to be, among some Wikipedians, the notion that there need to be separate categories to distinguish between "natives of this place" and "people who were famously associated with this place but were actually native to somewhere else". Frex, someone born in Toronto would be categorized at Category:Torontonians, while someone who moved to Toronto as an adult would be categorized at Category:Toronto people. I'm not saying it's my own preference...but it's what some people feel is necessary. Personally I support the proposed move, but I'd also support merging the two distinct Toronto categories, too. Bearcat 19:18, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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