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Category:Lexx planets

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The result of the debate was listify --Kbdank71 16:33, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

An anon user proposed a rename to Category:Lexx worlds (but used the RM tag rather than CFR). Abstain. Radiant_>|< 00:27, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

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"Category:U.S. highways in Foo" to "Category:U.S. Highways in Foo"

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 16:30, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rename: They are known as U.S. Highways, not U.S. highways. This is because any highway in the United States can be a U.S. highway. The capital H is needed to diffrentiate. I believe SPUI has mentioned that we could put a bot on this task. Any duplicate categories would be deleted.

List of categories that need to be renamed:

  • U.S. highways in Alabama
  • U.S. highways in California
  • U.S. highways in Colorado
  • U.S. highways in Connecticut
  • U.S. highways in Delaware
  • U.S. highways in District of Columbia
  • U.S. highways in Georgia
  • U.S. highways in Idaho
  • U.S. highways in Illinois
  • U.S. highways in Indiana
  • U.S. highways in Iowa
  • U.S. highways in Kansas
  • U.S. highways in Kentucky
  • U.S. highways in Louisiana
  • U.S. highways in Maine
  • U.S. highways in Maryland
  • U.S. highways in Massachusetts
  • U.S. highways in Michigan
  • U.S. highways in Minnesota
  • U.S. highways in Mississippi
  • U.S. highways in Montana
  • U.S. highways in Nebraska
  • U.S. highways in Nevada
  • U.S. highways in New Jersey
  • U.S. highways in New York
  • U.S. highways in North Carolina
  • U.S. highways in North Dakota
  • U.S. highways in Ohio
  • U.S. highways in Oregon
  • U.S. highways in Pennsylvania
  • U.S. highways in Rhode Island
  • U.S. highways in South Carolina
  • U.S. highways in South Dakota
  • U.S. highways in Tennessee
  • U.S. highways in Utah
  • U.S. highways in Vermont
  • U.S. highways in Virginia
  • U.S. highways in Washington
  • U.S. highways in West Virginia
  • U.S. highways in Wisconsin
  • U.S. highways in Wyoming

Category that needs to be deleted:

  • U.S. highways in New Jersey
  • U.S. highways in New Hampshire

Category that are fine as they are:

  • U.S. Highways in Florida
  • U.S. Highways in New Jersey

Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 23:34, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

They are known as U.S. Highways. I have only heard them called Federal Highway x once or twice. U.S. Highway 101 for example. In Mexico they are federal highways. They are referred to by the AASHTO as U.S. Highways and the U.S. Highway System. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:32, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
So, how come they are operated and maintained by the US Dept of Transportation's Federal Highway Administration? 12.73.196.191 15:41, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Because a federal highway can be a U.S. Highway or a Interstate Highway. They are two different systems. Just like Congress- the congressmen are more accurately known as senators or representatives. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Economic Ideologies

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 16:26, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Miscapitalized and a needless duplicate of Category:Economic theories. - SimonP 21:38, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As the page clearly states, there is a difference: An economic theory describes how the economy (supposedly) works. An economic ideology is a moral position on how an economy should be structured. Mjk2357 23:28, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Sheffield Supertram stations to Category:Sheffield Supertram stops

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 16:24, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keeps category name in line with the names of the articles. Our Phellap 19:38, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Midland Metro tram stations to Category:Midland Metro stops

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 16:22, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keeps category name in line with the names of the articles. Our Phellap 19:38, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Nottingham Express Transit stations to Category:Nottingham Express Transit stops

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 16:20, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keeps category name in line with the names of the articles. Our Phellap 19:33, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Hong Kong Government to Category:Government of Hong Kong

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 16:19, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated this for speedy, but unfortunately there is a single local who believes that Hong Kong should be exempt from the standard for reasons which are unclear and surely without merit. The size and structure of the government of Hong Kong are of no relevance whatsoever to the application of this convention. This is just a tidying up exercise. At the moment it sticks out like a sore thumb. Bhoeble 19:09, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Guess we're talking about two things here (see the discussion on speedy above and a related previous nomination). It's ambiguous if category:Government of Foo is topical, i.e., everything related to the governmental aspects there, or specific to an organ, which is the case of Hong Kong. It's complicated by the fact that for some countries the word government refers to all three branches, while for some others it's specifically meaning the executive. The Government of Sweden article and category:government of Sweden illustrate the differences. The article talks about the executive, whereas the category contains articles about the law courts in Sweden. As for Hong Kong, compare the differences between government of Hong Kong and Hong Kong Government, with government of Scotland and Scottish Executive, or the case of Sweden above. — Instantnood 04:49, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
What? SchmuckyTheCat 06:42, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Military of China

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 16:13, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

subcats were Military of People's Republic of China and Military of Taiwan. Both subcats were in the parent category Militaries AND this cat was in the parent cat as well. Confusing and just a place for people to edit war about whether the PRC or the ROC controls "China". SchmuckyTheCat 18:12, 29 October 2005 (UTC) SchmuckyTheCat 18:16, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That isn't what it's for at all, somebody came along and created it just a few months ago with no edit summary, purpose or intent. But now you've "decided" what it's for. There are separate categories for all that crap - including a historical cat for dynasties and ROC before Taiwan. And most of it was already kept separate until you came along [6] and jamming Taiwan/ROC categories into this Chinese category declaring it generic. Then you started removing PRC specific categories and putting it in this generic category for all of China [7]. Further you've added, restored, whatever, [8] this generic category to the all-encompassing "militaries" category so that the PRC, Taiwan and this generic China all have representation twice over in parent categories. It's like you're purposefully trying to bring together wikipedia edit warriors from two sides of a sixty year old real world war. Almost every Taiwan article gets reverted daily by POV warriors from some side or another and here you're mixing them together when a perfectly valid, and separate, scheme exists. SchmuckyTheCat 07:07, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • " And most of it was already kept separate until you came along " - You were the person to seperate them [9] before I have it undone [10]. And this was done because the other was a subcategory [11] (note the time stamps). This was done as per what the Cfd notice says: " Please do not (..) empty the category while the question is being considered. " — Instantnood 07:32, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever, Joshbaumgartner created dozens of cats that need fixing (see the previous week on CfD fixups proposed by TexasAndroid) and now you've got your panties in a bunch trying to come up with a way to keep it and mish-mash the PRC/ROC. SchmuckyTheCat 07:46, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent. Let's create Military of America then, and combine the United States and Mexico. Or even better, combine the United States and Russia, because the Russians used to control Alaska. SchmuckyTheCat 16:11, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
China is a subdivided nation. The United States and Mexico are two different nations as much as are say India and Poland (and the U.S. is America in English, while Mexico is "in the Americas"). CalJW 22:32, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reorgranize / Rename: The general policy adhered to seems to be not to imply whether Taiwan is or is not part of China (China as in the PRC). hence, I suggest sorting by government, splitting up Category:Military of China into Category: Military of the People's Republic of China and Category:Military of the Republic of China. Should we decide to use "China" as a geographical region as the China article does, both PRC and ROC military cats may be listed as subcategories. No attempt should be made to cross list anything between the ROC and PRC categories (i.e. Category:Ships of China is out, should be replaced by Ships of the ROC/PRC under the relevant Military of ROC/PRC cat). This maintains neutrality as we use the official titles for both sides, recognising the seperation that exists while making no statement on the Political status of Taiwan, ROC, whatever.... -Loren 07:56, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Also, we might consider renaming the top level Category:Military of China to a more accurate Category:Militaries of China. -Loren 08:21, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Birth control to Category:Contraception

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 16:08, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Our article on Contraception currently just redirects to Birth control. If they are the same, then we shouldn't have redundant categories. I don't think it matters much which merges into which — I chose the category with the least entries as the one which should be merged into the other, but that is fairly arbitrary. --Fastfission 15:12, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - glancing at the two categories it becomes clearer what their usage is. Regardless of what the articles do, the categories are performing a different task. The sub-cats of Category:Abortion and Category:Sexual abstinence would have no place in Category:Contraception, which is also a natural sub-category of Category:Birth control. Keep both. Hiding talk 11:26, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Washington, DC politicians to Category:District of Columbia politicians

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 16:06, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

For Consistency's sake. Mark Adler 14:58, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: The former is clearly for the those active in the city of Washington, and the latter for those representing the DC at the federal level. What about making the former a subcategory of the latter? The city of Washington was in the past a part of the DC. It was not the entirety of the DC, until all of the DC were either other incorporated into the city or retroceded to Virginia. (For the purpose of vote counting, this is a keep vote, for both categories.) — Instantnood 07:21, 30 October 2005 (UTC) Keep the latter as it is, rename the former as Washington, D.C. politicians as per local usage. — Instantnood 07:23, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The district and the city are inseparable and I doubt you could find a single article, and possibly not even propose a single article, where the 1791-1847 inclusion of a spit of land in Virginia mattered whatsoever. SchmuckyTheCat 07:34, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
And any decision, law, rule or whatever in the city can be overruled by Congress - because there is no effective difference. SchmuckyTheCat 16:08, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
There's a Representative in Congress for DC... which is not a civic politician. 132.205.46.167 00:49, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
A rep that doesn't vote and hey, two non-voting Senators too. But every Washington, DC politician is also a District of Columbia politician. Just like every Los Angeles politician is also a California politician. In California that's a reasonable distinction, in DC it's not. SchmuckyTheCat 01:42, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Humanities and art

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 16:02, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There's a category for Humanities (Category:Humanities) which contains references to art, but Category:Humanities and art doesn't mention art at all. --Brunnock 13:18, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedia AMA

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Wikipedia Association of Members' Advocates --Kbdank71 15:58, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Avoid abbrev. Rename to Category:Association of Members Advocates. Radiant_>|< 11:43, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment shouldn't this be either Category:Wikipedia Association of Members Advocates or Category:Wikipedia:Association of Members Advocates? -- Rick Block (talk) 15:57, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Technologies which use Wikipedia

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Websites which use Wikipedia --Kbdank71 15:55, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Permanently near-empty. Lists two other websites that allegedly rely heavily on Wikipedia. I'm not sure there's a point in that, it should be part of the articles on such websites, and anyway a plethora of people rely heavily on Wikipedia so this category is by definition incomplete. Radiant_>|< 11:41, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • My bet is that more and more will eventually be added as Wikipedia becomes more accessible. Anyway, I don't see any reason not to have a category for this — the subject matter, though currently underpopulated, is more appropriate for a category than a list. People relying on Wikipedia do not meet the requirements of the category — it is for websites or applications, etc., which use Wikipedia as a major part of their operation. There's no reason to delete this — its scope for inclusion is well defined, its need is there, and its subject is one which is better suited for categorization than use in an article or list. --Fastfission 15:12, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Listify. Vanity category; Wikipedia is hardly that important, even within the internet community, to merit this kind of category "spread", and has a long, long way to go before/if it ever will be. 12.73.196.191 15:47, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedia real-world

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The result of the debate was merge to Category:Wikipedia meetups --Kbdank71 15:41, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mostly empty. Merge with Category:Wikipedia Meetups. Radiant_>|< 11:32, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense to me. -- Beland 23:18, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This should be Category:Wikipedia meetups as the suggested cat has been renamed. RedWolf 04:28, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia in the media

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The result of the debate was relisted on Nov 4 --Kbdank71 15:40, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted on Nov 4th after fixing broken link from category page. ∴ here…♠ 21:42, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Nuttall Encyclopedia

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 15:37, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This categorizes every article that uses the Nuttall Encyclopedia as a source. That seems hardly a fitting categorization, and the fact that the Nuttall gets a whopping 627 google hits makes this look somewhat like linkspam. I'd say delete, the articles should state their sources individually and not rely on broad cats such as this. Can you imagine dozens of tags like Category:Articles that use CNN as a source at the bottom of articles? Radiant_>|< 11:16, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Nuttall is one of the sources being used for the missing encyclopedia articles project. It gets few hits because it is about 100 years old, which is why it is public domain. I believe the categorisation is done by a template. Bhoeble 19:11, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
In the long run, I agree with Radiant. Though right now, are there some articles that are categorized this way because they need updating or de-POVing or wikification or something? We should check before blindly converting. -- Beland 23:21, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ultra strong disagree, This category is very important, it means we can see what articles contain text from the Nuttall encyclopedia, thus can be updated and checked for POV etc. Hopefully in the future the category can be deleted when articles that contain text from the Nuttall have had all that text edited such that they no longer contain text from Nuttall. p.s. if you want to delete something like this, you should really let people know, such as here. p.p.s. Do you really think it is possible to "linkspam" an encyclopedia that is almost a century old? Martin 11:58, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Australian federal politicians to Category:Federal political office-holders in Australia

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The result of the debate was rename all as nominated --Kbdank71 15:33, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And also:

Category:Australian Cabinet ministers → Category:Members of the Cabinet of Australia
Category:Australian MHRs → Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives
Category:Australian Senators → Category:Members of the Australian Senate

per general naming schema in place in Category:Political office-holders by country. Note that these are not nationality-occupation pairings like Category:American journalists. -The Tom 06:02, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:London wholesale markets to Category:Wholesale markets in London

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 15:31, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Standardisation of word order for man made objects and compliance with parent cateogry. Rename: Category:Wholesale markets in London. CalJW 02:22, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Pubs in Shropshire to Category:Public houses in Shropshire

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 15:27, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This should be expanded to agree to its parent Category:Public houses in the United Kingdom and the other subcategories thereof. Rename category:Public houses in Shropshire CalJW 02:17, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, okay, why not... David 00:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia behavioral guidelines

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The result of the debate was upmerge as nominated --Kbdank71 15:25, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody decided that every article in Category:Wikipedia guidelines should be subcategorized instead, and created a number of seemingly arbitrary subcategories to clean out the parent cat. This pigeonholing is inherently confusing, and this subcat contains just about anything that didn't fit in the other subcats (e.g. the Manual of Style and deletion guidelines). This overbureaucratization is a bad idea, so please upmerge this category back. Radiant_>|< 10:44, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I created the category; it makes sense to me. The guidelines category was a melange of style, how-to, and "how to behave" guidelines, and other things, which I sorted out, since it was quite difficult to find anything. I'd prefer to keep "behavioral guidelines" as a subcategory, but if other people also find it too confusing, merging with the parent is probably the next best alternative. -- Beland 23:01, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia coherence

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 15:23, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently a new kind of guideline that is somehow unlike all the other kinds of Category:Wikipedia guidelines. Confusing and not needed. Propose upmerging. Radiant_>|< 00:21, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Editorial validation

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The result of the debate was reverse merge into Category:Editorial validation --Kbdank71 15:41, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, this is a bit tricky. I understand the purpose of both this category and Category:Wikipedia 1.0; however, in practice they have an almost 90% overlap, so it seems they have grown intertwined to a large extent. Imho either someone should sort this out, or we should simply merge the two cats. Radiant_>|< 11:35, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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