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Abbreviated DRC categories

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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞Who?¿? 04:52, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the Democratic Republic of the Congo categories are already in the full form. I would like to see the exceptions renamed for the sake of consistency:

CalJW 23:34, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Low and mid rise commercial buildings in London

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The result of the debate was No consensus (no change). ∞Who?¿? 23:42, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Low- and mid-rise commercial buildings in London. Neutralitytalk 23:16, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Only 3 out of 9 belong to another buildings category, which does not meet my definition of "most". CalJW 04:55, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I said that can be put in other cats, and I count 6 that have other categories other than this one. The main idea is that it does not need to be cat'd as a structure unless it is notable for being a certain type of structure. One or two of them are musuems/art galleries, its not important that its a short or mid height one. ∞Who?¿? 05:00, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Culture Bound Syndromes

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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞Who?¿? 04:50, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Culture-specific syndromes. Neutralitytalk 21:38, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Culture of the two Congos

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The result of the debate was Delete/Rename per nomination. ∞Who?¿? 04:49, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There are two separate countries called Congo: Republic of the Congo and Democratic Republic of Congo. We need Category:Congo for disambiguation, but I don't think we need any merged categories at the next tier. It seems that the only area where we have them is culture, and I think that is probably by accident rather than design. I have moved the subcategories into either category:Congolese culture (Brazzaville) which already existed, or category:Culture of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which I created myself. There was one article which belonged in both, but the answer is to put it in both, just as we might put an article in both the French and Belgian categories for example. The following changes will tidy up this area:

CalJW 23:08, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Political divisions of the Democratic Republic of the Congo

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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞Who?¿? 04:48, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to the standard form: category:Subdivisions of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. CalJW 21:47, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Roman officeholders

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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞Who?¿? 04:47, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is an umbrella rename proposal regarding Category:Republican consuls and Category:Republican praetors.

Rename: "Republican consuls" or "Republican praetors" is fairly clear, but "Roman Republican consuls" or "Roman Republican praetors" is more clear, I think. I'd also be OK with "Consuls of the Republic of Rome" or "Consuls of the Roman Republic", but then we'd need to revisit all of the other categories in this area as well. On a final note, I need to look carefully to see if any imperial-era praetors are on the praetor list; if so, it might make more sense to rename these "Roman consuls" and "Roman praetors". What do others think? Nandesuka 20:04, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I made the section heading a link, but there is no such category. Have you marked any categories with cfd notices? This is a specialist area and there won't be many well-informed comments here if you don't bring this discussion to the attention of Roman history enthusiasts. I would have thought that there should be an overall category with a variety of subcategories. For modern countries that overall category would be politicians, but that may not be appropriate for Ancient Romans - though I have no opinion on the matter myself. CalJW 21:52, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the section heading, but added the categories I am talking about in the main text; both categories have been marked with cfru notices pointing to "Roman officeholders" on this page. Nandesuka 22:33, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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category:Chinese Filipino

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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞Who?¿? 04:46, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I am trying to iron out the muddle in the Philippines/ethnicity categories and adding blurbs in the hope of preventing future confusion about the various terms. This one should be renamed category:Chinese-Filipinos which is more standard. CalJW 19:37, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Filipino Poles

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞Who?¿? 04:46, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There was one article in this category, but he was a Polish-Filipino, not a Filipino Pole, so I have moved him to category:Polish-Filipinos. I doubt that this category will acquire any articles in the near future. Delete. CalJW 18:43, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Iranian religions

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The result of the debate was Merge. ∞Who?¿? 04:45, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Another non-standard dupicate category. Merge into category:Religion in Iran and delete. CalJW 17:48, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:English Americans

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The result of the debate was No consensus (no change). ∞Who?¿? 21:46, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if this is supposed to be native UK'ers who are living in America... or Americans with an Anglo ethnicity. Judging by the current additions, most folks are interpreting it as the former. In which case it would be enormous and of dubious use. · Katefan0(scribble) 16:00, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep There are 24 categories in category:European Americans but you have only nominated this one. It often seems that Englishness is the only ethnicity which isn't valued in this world, and I find this state of affairs offensive. CalJW 17:48, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm sorry you were offended. I only nominated this one because it was the only one I was aware of (it was recently added to an article on my watchlist) -- I find your knee-jerk suggestion that I don't value my own ethnicity a little offensive myself. It's not that I don't think an Anglo heritage is a worthwhile thing (I do genealogy too), it's that I think the category, were it properly populated, would be horrendously unwieldy. · Katefan0(scribble) 20:57, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think Americans should just be Americans and all these categories should be abolished, but that isn't going to happen, so this one must stay too. Let's just leave people to populate it as and when they want to, that's how Wikipedia works. It certainly isn't unwieldy at the moment, and due to the lack of value placed on Englishness by many people, it is unlikely it will ever be one of the larger U.S. ethnic categories. CalJW 21:56, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • I don't think it has anything to do with not valuing Englishness. I am myself an American of predominantly English ancestry, but my first reaction on seeing the name Category:English Americans was, "What's that supposed to mean???" The fact is, while there are people who call themselves African Americans, Japanese Americans, Italians Americans, and so forth, nobody uses the term "English Americans". Delete this category as perpetuating a neologism. --Angr/tɔk tə mi 06:44, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • That merely proves the point. It isn't much used because it isn't valued - unlike all the others (see the size of category:Italian-Americans). It isn't valued by the politically correct establishment in the UK either, but the English public is starting to rediscover its Englishness. Deleting this but not all the others is a slap in the face for a nation (and the fact that you have English ancestry makes this more insulting, not less so). CalJW 16:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
            • Would you prefer Category:WASPs? Most (if not all - I have never encountered this term ever) English-Americans (the largest ethnic group in the United States) do not identify themselves as "English-Americans", there is no English-American (as opposed to WASP) article on wikipedia, and English-Americans, as it were, refer to themselves as either "White", "White Americans", or just "Americans", and when pressed on origin would be more likely to say "Anglo-Saxon" than "English". If you're insulted by this, it might be advisable to step back from the discussion rather than let it get heated. siafu 17:29, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. I (an American of Eurpoean descent) also think that name is confusing, and have never heard a single person described as such. However, since it lives within Category:European Americans, which lives in Category:American people by ethnicity and now Category:American people by national origin, it would probably be awkward to delete it. It would be great for someone to write a description of what belongs in the "English Americans" category for the category page. -- Reinyday, 14:07, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. I'm an American of Eurpoean descent as well. I've never described myself as anything other than "American". Not European-American, not Hungarian-American. I'll be happy to vote to delete the others if they come up on CfD as well. --Kbdank71 14:21, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This ethnic group does not exist per se. siafu 18:59, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete most ethnic subcats. -Splashtalk 14:09, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Of course this ethnic group exists. I've met some myself. Bhoeble 17:55, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. ∞Who?¿? 18:44, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as a virtually empty category and a confusing term nobody actually uses. CDThieme 19:47, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Closing note I previous accidentally closed this as delete, as I miscounted the votes, and the discussion leaned towards delete. However for numbers sake, 11 votes, 7 del, 4 k. 63% ∞Who?¿? 21:46, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia:Suspected sockpuppets of 66.43.173.74

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The result of the debate was No consensus (no change). ∞Who?¿? 03:21, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary, redundant. Only used by one editor. Erwin

Keep The category has been used by several editors and the sockpuppet has created four identities in the past 24 hours, and has been blocked five times in the past 3 days. The sockpuppet categories are in any case created automatically by the sockpuppet template. The vandal has attacked several pages and it makes a lot more sense to keep the details of why the user is banned with the category than repeating it on each page. --Gorgonzilla 18:08, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: only editor making contributions is Gorgonzilla. Possible userfy to Gorgonzilla/Suspected sockpuppets of 66.43.173.74. Erwin
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Category:Philippine associations

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞Who?¿? 03:20, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The first category in this form I've seen and I've looked at most countries with more than 50 million people now. I have moved the 5 entries to the organisations, religion and society categories. Delete CalJW 02:51, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's a club where no one likes anyone else? ∞Who?¿? 03:20, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Filipino groups

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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞Who?¿? 03:18, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There are quite a few non-standard sub-cats in the Philippines menu. This one should be renamed to the standard form category:Ethnic groups of the Philippines. CalJW 02:37, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why not create category:'Filipino ethnic groups'(or Ethnic groups of the Philippines if you insist ) as a subset of Filipino groups? The groups is intended to include Filipinos outside the Philippines(e.g. Filipinos in Japan which I may write in the future) and other difficult to classify groups. --Jondel 03:07, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Because it is non-standard. In order to improve navigability, we shouldn't have divergent names for standard subcategories. This is a well established convention. When a regular Wikipedia reader visits a national category for the first time he or she should know what subcategories to expect and where the articles on the topic that interests them will be filed - that is how a professional encyclopedia would work.
This category is particularly inappropriate because it is too vague - pop groups could legitimately be placed in it for example. The appropriate name for the category you are proposing is category:Overseas Filipinos which is consistent with category:Overseas Chinese. I will create as there are already several categories which belong in it. It will be a subcategory of Category:People of the Philippines, category:Filipino society and Category:Human migration. CalJW 18:12, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Science and technology by nation

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The result of the debate was Merge/Rename as proposed. ∞Who?¿?

At present we have category:Science by nation and category:Technology by nation. All but two of the subcats are in the form "Science and technology in X" and are in both categories. I see little point in dividing at national level; the merger removes any doubt that things like inventors and aircraft belong in the category. Also, these are more categories which should use "country" as they are organised on state lines and are not culturally sensitive. Therefore:

CalJW 00:31, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Listowy 09:00, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Punk albums to Category:Punk rock albums

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The result of the debate was Merge. ∞Who?¿? 03:16, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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