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Category:Fictional smokers

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 02:20, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category is far too broad. There are likely hundreds of thousands of fictional characters who are smokers in the period between the widespread popularization of tobacco and before the social taboos and regulatory restrictions on smoking in the late 20th century. And even then, these taboos and regulations largely felt in the United States - in other cultures e.g. France, Spain - smoking widespread in real and fictional life. Bwithh 00:06, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Islamic geographers

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The result of the debate was Keep --William Allen Simpson 03:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Found as a speedy with the reason, moved to Muslim geographers. Cat was not empty. No vote. Vegaswikian 22:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. In the history of mathematics Islamic mathematics refers to the mathematics practiced in the Middle East between c. 600 and c. 1600. I assume that would also apply to geography and that these categories would therefore not be equivalent (for example, an Islamic geographer stricly speaking would not have to be a Muslim). —Ruud 22:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Banks of Scotland

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Syrthiss 02:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst in the past it may have been useful to separate Scottish banks, the situation today is that in the vast majority of cases a bank being Scotish changes nothing. In fact the vast majority of Scottish banks have major businesses in England, eg Royal Bank of Scotland, Bank of Scotland and Clydesdale Bank (trading as Yorkshire Bank). Delete Ian3055 21:59, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment my understanding is that the 'banks by country' series of categories are based on them being countries, its not 'banks by legal system' or any other division we happen to like the sound of. I would have thought that country could be expected to mean ISO 3166 countries. Ian3055 18:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep per Valiantis. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 17:38, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Surely it would be counter-intuitive to de-categorise a specific banknote issuing area? As it stands, the category can help the casual visitor to Scotland who seeks to use Wikipedia to understand the background to the variety of issuers of the banknotes in their wallet. It is also a sub-category which I hope will expand over time, to include more historical depth - from the scandalous (City of Glasgow Bank) to the banks I recall from my youth (National Commercial Bank, British Linen Bank). AllyD 18:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Defintitely. I agree with points of being of Scottish origin (even though many of them have global operations), and the issue of separate banknotes. Banking in Scotland has a long and separate history. I really cannot see what the problem is. Globaltraveller 18:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Mai Oui!'s point of information pretty much leaves the opposition on its back, from my point of view. If the banks are registered in Scotland, I see no reason not to have a category for them, especially if that category is a subcategory of the UK banks cat. As well, these banks originated in Scotland. I don't see a problem in labelling the Royal Bank of Scotland as a Scottish bank. Canaen 20:00, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • What about the other major item in the category, HBOS, which was a merger between the Bank of Scotland and the Halifax? I would be very surprised if it doesn't have more customers, more assets, more employees and more shareholders in England than in Scotland. On second thoughts, the RBS probably has more of all four of those in England as well. Merchbow 23:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge regardless of registration technicalities all the main British banks should be in the same category. Merchbow 23:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree. It does not matter where a company is registered, as they are free to operate throughout the UK. Also, Company Law is the same throughout the UK, as are the regulations governing banking and finance. Astrotrain 08:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Although the arguments presented by Mais oui! are reason enough for me, particularly the one about jurisdictions, I am also swayed by the fact that one Scottish bank (the Bank Of Scotland) was established in 1695 and so is older than the United Kingdom. Lianachan 00:25, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Almost all the keep votes are from Scots. How can Wikipedia be objective if it can so easily be swayed by national agendas? This vote does not represent the considered views of a cross section of Wikipedians. Any special interest group can create a category and then it only takes a few of them to stop it being deleted because few other people bother to vote. Wikipedia is defenceless against this sort of manipulation. I hope that Digital Universe will be better than this. Merchbow 06:30, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment - I have no "national agenda" and resent the implication that just because I happen to be Scottish, my Scottishness is the overriding factor in my views on this, despite the fact I clearly stated my reasons for voting keep above. Scottish banking has, as was pointed out above, a long and separate history. Definately worthy of its own sub-category, under the UK banks one. Lianachan 06:46, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment - Merchbow's Comment is offensive. Those who vote Keep are a "special interest group" accused on "manipulation" which prevents others' "considered views" from prevailing - a rather rhetorical case. One's own views always appear more rationally founded than others' but thee is no need to attack others' motives. AllyD 07:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    It's always questionable to assume what motivates individual contributors; however, there is a very strong pattern emerging of Scottish subcats being created by a handful of users regardless of the subject-matter and the usefulness/appropriateness of such cats. (I am not implying that this is a consciously POV position, but I do feel - given that some of these cats are subsequently deleted - that there may be overenthusiasm to subcategorise at a level below the sovereign nation which is the basis of WP categorisation by country). When these cats get listed here for reasons to do with the appropriateness of subcategorisation below the UK level with regard to the subject matter, they are regularly added to Wikipedia:Scottish Wikipedians' notice board at which point some users who frequent that board do seem to pile in here to defend the cats. Again, I am not implying that this is deliberately POV behaviour, but User:Merchbow is correct that the effect of this is to sway the "voting" group strongly so that it is disproportionately made up of Scots. This is not an ideal situation for an encyclopedia which strives for an international view. I do not think it is unreasonable to suggest that all of us have unconscious POVs; it is certainly the case that in the past people have voted to keep cats without addressing issues of consistency (e.g. where similar cats in other countries are not subdivided into the sub-sovereign states/provinces/nations of that country). It might be useful if we attempted to draw up some ground rules for the use of sub-UK cats so that 1) we reach consensus when sub-UK cats are appropriate 2) where such a consensus is infringed against, all of us can collectively take action against it on the basis of the agreed position rather than our individual opinions. Valiantis 14:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - A sensible and appropriate sub-categorisation. Scottish banking has a long and distinguished history, predating the formation of the UK as pointed out by Lianachan. The fact that the Scottish clearing banks are major players within UK market (and other markets) does not diminish the fact that they are still Scottish banks, and should be categorised as such. This has nothing to do with nationalism, but more to do with facts and common sense. --Cactus.man ✍ 10:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Category:Financial services companies of Scotland. Really, this is rampant overcategorization! Many of these aren't articles about banks. Of course, as they are Scottish registered companies, having a category makes good sense, but try to group things more generally! I'm in Michigan, and we certainly expect our registered companies to be in Category:Companies based in Michigan. But even though our economy is much bigger than Scotland, we don't have a separate category just for banks. Oh, and I have a Scottish grandmother and a Scottish great-grandfather, and visited my great aunties and 2nd and 3rd cousins in Scotland once, does that make me a Scottish partisan, too? --William Allen Simpson 02:11, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Specimen images

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 03:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pages under here would fit better under one of the subcategories of Category:Images by scientific discipline. There is no need to merge since there is only one element which I already added to Category:Biology lists. JeffW 21:41, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Foreign Korean companies

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 02:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category seems to be intended to disparage Korean companies which have allowed themselves to fall into the hands of foreigners. Delete. Nathcer 21:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Delete per nom. It's redundant, offensive, confusing and unnecessary. The Anti-Gnome 07:27, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Mountain monuments to Category:Mountain monuments and memorials

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The result of the debate was rename. Syrthiss 02:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting from April 13, based on a decision furhter down that day to combine the Memorials and Monuments cats into one supercat. I wasn't sure whether the mountain ones were sufficiently different that they should have their own cat or be upmerged instead just into M&M category. Syrthiss 20:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:US mountain monuments to Category:Mountain monuments and memorials

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The result of the debate was rename to Mnm in teh US. Syrthiss 02:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

see above. Syrthiss 20:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Indian surnames versus Category:Indian Family Names

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The result of the debate was merge both to Indian family names. Syrthiss 02:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

there's two cat with the same subject. --Dangerous-Boy 19:54, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from speedy after objection. Vegaswikian 19:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The term "Family" is inappropriate as it is just furthering a biased belief that all surnames apply to familes. Having the same surname doesn't make people family and having different surnames doesn't make people unrelated. "Surnames" is the appropriate term. As for capitalization, that's more of a manual of style thing and one of the many reasons I believe category should be movable by all registered users. Anyway, getting back on point, move everything to "Category:Indian surnames". If people are all "Oh no! processive, intelligent and flexible european language word(s)! Evil!" that's their bag. Wikipedia is about displaying the facts in the most accurate way, not pandering to backwards races who can't appreciate a good word, once again, their bag. Wikipedia isn't censored the use of "Family name" over "Surname" is nothing but "politically correct" (but verbally inaccurate) BS and censorship. Never give in. Don't let hicks win! The Anti-Gnome 07:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:North Alabama Landmarks

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The result of the debate was merge. Syrthiss 02:40, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete overcategorization. This is an unnecessary division of Category:Alabama landmarks, which only has 23 articles in its base (I haven't checked to see how much of that is overlap). Though some state landmark categories do have subcategories for significant cities (e.g., Category:Landmarks in New York City), and North Alabama is (I presume, at least) a recognized region of the state, subcategorizing in this case is not helpful and not needed, especially considering that the article North Alabama has little content aside from a list of included communities. There is no indication that the region so defines its contents that the landmarks are better identified by region rather than the state as a whole (in contrast to NYC landmarks being identified with that city specifically). And it's always too bad when such categories are created in lieu of fleshing out the substance of an article. Postdlf 18:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Belgian tennis tournaments to Category:Tennis tournaments in Belgium
Category:German tennis tournaments to Category:Tennis tournaments in Germany

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The result of the debate was rename both. Syrthiss 02:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest the the convention for tennis tournaments should be the same as for tennis by country. ie. "Tennis tournaments in Foo. The possessive is not really appropriate when 90% plus of the competitors in a tournament may be non-nationals. Choalbaton 18:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]


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Category:Bondage programming languages

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The result of the debate was Delete --William Allen Simpson 03:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Controversial and overly vague category. By the definition, it includes just about every standard programming language, since portable languages have a poor interaction with the operating system, and just about every programming language before 1980 and most of them afterwards are single paradigm languages. The name is unclear and not NPOV, since it's an implicit criticism.--Prosfilaes 17:56, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment added later: Note that the punchline of the Jargon File's term "bondage-and-discipline language" is the allusion to a tradition in scholary prose about programming languages of using the phrase "type discipline" to refer to a compiler-enforced type system. This is completely lost in the abbreviated category name (not that I think renaming is in any way preferable to just deleting it, mind you). Henning Makholm 23:47, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fruit and vegetable characters

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The result of the debate was Keep --William Allen Simpson 03:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kind of a rediculous category--I don't see it ever being very useful. Perhaps some day we may end up needing a category for VeggieTales characters, but not all fruit and vegetable characters. authraw 17:05, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Characters known by surname

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The result of the debate was Delete --William Allen Simpson 03:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Huge possible scope, ultimately pointless. Arniep 15:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Solar System bodies formerly considered planets

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The result of the debate was Delete --William Allen Simpson 03:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category currently contains 6 entities including Moon and Sun. The scope of this cat is much better suited to a list, such as list of Solar System bodies formerly considered planets. The category is proposed for deletion. Kurieeto 14:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Lowlands on Mars

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 03:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category was created in October of 2005. After half a year it contains one article, and is therefore viewed as excessive categorization at this time. Proposed for merge with parent, Category:Topography of Mars. Kurieeto 13:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:AV Idols

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 02:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A redirect to Category:Japanese porn stars. Not used by any article. --minghong 09:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Corporate misbehavior

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 03:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hope this is the last of these redundant anti-corporate categories. This might have been an exercise in anti-corporate activism - bombing Wikipedia with a whole load of redundant categories on almost the same subject. Caravaca 09:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Corporate scandal

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 03:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Potential content should go under scandals, business ethics or anti-corporate activism. Whoever created this didn't seem to be aware that there were already adequate and well-developed categories elsewhere. Or redirect? Caravaca 09:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Unethical business practices

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 02:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anything here would be better under business ethics. Caravaca 09:05, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP - articles in this +cat should not be moved out. Caravaca has already moved the articles out without waiting for a vote or consensus, I am going to put them back now SirIsaacBrock 13:41, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Unethical accounting practices

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 02:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anything here would be better under accounting and business ethics. Caravaca 08:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP - articles in this +cat should not be moved out. Caravaca has already moved the articles out without waiting for a vote or consensus, I am going to put them back now SirIsaacBrock 13:41, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Corporate crime

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 03:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Part of a series of categories with little or no content; redundant Caravaca 08:47, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Corporate Abuse

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 03:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Part of a series of categories with little or no content; redundant. Caravaca 08:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Episcopal cathedrals of the United States to Category:Episcopal cathedrals in the United States

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The result of the debate was rename. Syrthiss 02:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should be "in the United States" as per convention. Merchbow 04:43, 23 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]


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Category:Strong Women

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The result of the debate was Delete --William Allen Simpson 03:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Several similar, populated categories (female bodybuilders, female powerlifters, strongwomen, fitness & figure competitors) already exist. This category is redundant without adding anything new of significance. fbb_fan 03:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Muscular Women

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 03:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Several similar, populated categories (female bodybuilders, female powerlifters, strongwomen, fitness & figure competitors) already exist. This category is redundant without adding anything new of significance. fbb_fan 03:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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