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Category:U.S. State Legislators to Category:State legislators of the United States

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 17:11, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mostly to change from U.S. to United States. But I believe this is the more correct form, not sure about Legislators vs legislators. Vegaswikian 22:00, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Climatology - Meteorology stubs to Category:Climatology and meteorology stubs

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The result of the debate was move to WP:SFD --Kbdank71 17:10, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New name with proper capitalization and punctuation. jengod 20:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stub categories are handled at WP:SFD, not here (as it says at the top of the page) - please take this nomination there. Grutness...wha? 03:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Former BBC Newsreaders and Journalists to Category:Former BBC newsreaders and journalists

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The result of the debate was merge to Category:BBC newsreaders and journalists --Kbdank71 17:07, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grutness...wha? 08:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC) Moved from speedy after comments. Vegaswikian 20:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Gay, lesbian or bisexual people to Category:Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, or Transgender people

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender people --Kbdank71 16:59, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from speedy after comments. Vegaswikian 20:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The reasoning for this is that LGBT stands for Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender, so the category should have Lesbian first to match the abbreviation, also transgender is missing from the title even though transgender individuals are put in the category. --Revolución (talk) 20:58, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Added comment: ...and whether the comma is used or not, put a {{categoryredirect}} on the opposing form to minimize the potential confusion. Bearcat 03:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:University Students to Category:Wikipedian university students

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 16:56, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Make it obvious that this is a user cat. MeltBanana 19:44, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Identities to Category:Mathematical identities

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 16:52, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The word "identity" has a different meaning outside of math. This cat is about math. Rename. Radiant_>|< 19:31, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Natives of East Renfrewshire

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 16:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category only contains one article, which doesn't even belong in it. The article in question is about a footballer who died before East Renfrewshire even existed (East Renfrewshire was created from the breakup of the old Strathclyde Regional Council in 1996) so how he can be considered a 'native of East Renfrewshire' is beyond me. Cynical 17:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • comment traditional counties would be even worse - bear in mind that in Scotland nobody really pays any attention to traditional counties (unlike in England where Hampshire, Gloucestershire etc. are where many people count themselves as 'being from') and categorising Scottish people by traditional county would serve no real purpose to either users or editors, since neither really know what areas the traditional counties covered. Do we really want [[Category:Natives of Kincardineshire]] and [[Category:Natives of Wigtownshire]] (for further illustrations on how obscure the Scottish traditional counties are, read Counties of Scotland) Cynical 15:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: "... since neither really know what areas the traditional counties covered... " ... and that is not to even begin to mention the nightmare Scottish complexity of Mormaerdoms (early middle ages), Burghs, Royal Burghs, Burghs of Barony, Police burghs, Large burghs, Small burghs, Earldoms (high middle ages), Sherrifdoms (late middle ages), Stewartries (late middle ages/early modern), Shires (briefly post-Union), "Traditional" counties (pre 1889), "Administrative" counties (1889-1975), Lieutenancy areas (post-1975, with numerous boundary changes and re-namings), Regions of Scotland and Districts of Scotland. (I could go on, but you get my point.) There is only one logical way to go about categorisating people by subdivisions, and that is by the one and only, unitary, well-defined Subdivisions of Scotland, of which East Renfrewshire is one out of a nice set of 32. (PS: Scotland never had "Traditional counties": that terminology was only ever applied in England and Wales: still is I understand.)--Mais oui! 21:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
comment what do you propose as an alternative? i.e., if we delete this category, where do these people belong (I also see that the cat. has been populated and now has 5 members) ::Supergolden:: 17:31, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Stadiums by country

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 16:39, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are three categories for stadiums by country, which contain about 10 articles between them. On the other hand there are scores of categories in category:Sports venues by country which contain thousands of articles in total. There are categories by country for specific types of stadium such as football/soccer venues and rugby stadiums. There is no need for an intermediate category and hardly any have been created - and the three which exist are not for countries which have a large number of articles. Sports venues is a more inclusive term as it covers indoor arenas, golf courses, racing venues etc. It would be best to merge the three exceptions:

Merge all Choalbaton 16:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mountain ranges of the Russian Federation to Category:Mountain ranges of Russia

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 16:34, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Rockingham, Western Australia

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 16:33, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: all this category does is duplicate a list of suburbs in Perth, and the list isn't even complete (there's a more complete one at the Rockingham page).

Bird of paradox 09:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Oregon state highways to Category:Routes in Oregon

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 16:30, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is rather confusing. Oregon has two numbering systems - the signed Routes and the unsigned Highways. Each section of state-maintained road gets a Highway designation, while not every Highway is a signed Route, and not every Route is a state-maintained Highway. This category is for the Routes. SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 06:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Why does Oregon have to do this? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 20:32, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Because they don't buy into the "state maintained == state numbered" bullshit? --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 02:05, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename as per nom. Green Giant 22:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:U.S. military history 1900-1999 to Category:Military history of the United States 1900-1999

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 16:16, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Needs to be renamed to match Category:Military history of the United States. Sumahoy 06:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:British Royal Residences to Category:Royal residences in the United Kingdom

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 15:13, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

should be in the usual form for categories of buildings and structures to match the rest of those in Category:Buildings and structures in the United Kingdom. Rename CalJW 05:39, 31 January 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Policies that do not apply to Uncyclopedia

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:51, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trolling. James James 05:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:LGBT serial killers

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:50, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Irrelevant, and possibly non NPOV. This category shows a anti LGBT bias, by making a category for serial killers it implies that there is a connection between being a serial killer and being LGBT. Murder is not a part of the LGBT culture. Its as offensive as a category for Catholic Preist conviced for Child Molestation would be and does not belong on Wikipedia Hypernick1980 03:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Conditional strong delete, if and only if Category:LGBT criminals and Category:LGBT murderers are both also deleted, as should have occurred the very first time they were ever nominated for deletion, which has happened over and over now and will continue to happen until someone finally figures out that WP:POINT is non-negotiable. -Silence 05:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Yes, so stop using the category system to create positive LGBT categories as a propaganda exercise. The neutrality policy should apply even to points of view which are so stridently fashionable that their advocates are quite unable to understand that they are just that - points of view. CalJW 05:39, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
First Category:LGBT criminals only has Category:LGBT murderers in it. Category:LGBT murderers only has this. So this is disproportionate because it makes it seem like all LGBTs who commit crime are serial killers. On the "positive" side it'd be like if the Category:LGBT actors was dominated by Category:LGBT Oscar winners or something. Could you in least limit yourself to Category:LGBT criminals and then have the subcats concern whether they are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender? That way you'll be doing a fair "mirror" of the "Positive POV pushing" you see.--T. Anthony 21:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Propaganda has nothing to do with it. It's all about the Wikipedia:Categorization/Gender, race and sexuality, which — I clearly have to point out to you again — is a binding policy: an LGBT grouping is valid if the topic has clearly been established as academically, culturally or sociologically significant by external sources. For this category to be kept, you have to prove that the topic of LGBT serial killers has clearly been established as academically, culturally or sociologically significant by external sources. The policy explicitly forbids POV characterizations such as "balancing positive groups with negative groups" as a consideration in the matter. You have two choices: either this category meets the policy, or it doesn't meet the policy. Which is it going to be? Bearcat 21:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That was only one example. We do have Category:European Americans, Category:Black people, Category:Baptists, Category:Hispanic Americans, etc. Yet we don't have related serial killer categories for them.--T. Anthony 20:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Those categories should be thoroughly subdivided over time. If only positive subcategories are created that will be the same sort of blatant bias as with the gay categories.Choalbaton. 20:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There's only three positive gategories on the gay, lesbian, etc people deal. At the main Category:LGBT is the subcat Category:Pederasty which is something usually considered negative. Added to that you don't have to go for serial killers to have negative. You could have LGBT prostitutes or rapists or or ones who dealt drugs to gay nightclubs or something. Same with other groups. Things like this though don't connect in any reasonable way.--T. Anthony 20:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nor does LGBT connect with acting in any reasonable way. You are yet to acknowledge the bias, and you can't begin to justify it without doing so. Choalbaton 08:20, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm hesitant saying this often as it offends people. However I'm Catholic and I believe homosexuals should ideally be celibate. I also favor the right of Catholic schools to refuse students whose parents are homosexuals. I even think LGBT categories are often recklessly added to articles based on rumor or speculation. (Something this adds to rather than diminishes) That out of the way there are likely associations of homosexual actors, but there are no associations of homosexual serial-killers. However if you'll check the talk page at Category:LGBT criminals you'll see I say that if there are homosexual gangs or organized crime groups worthy of mention then the category does serve a purpose. If you know of a society of homosexual hitmen/serial-killers that is a cultural phenomenon anywhere then I'll concede this is valid.--T. Anthony 18:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
NPOV has nothing to do with it. It's all about the Wikipedia:Categorization/Gender, race and sexuality, which is a binding policy: an LGBT grouping is valid if the topic has clearly been established as academically, culturally or sociologically significant by external sources. For this category to be kept, you have to prove that the topic of LGBT serial killers has clearly been established as academically, culturally or sociologically significant by external sources. The policy explicitly forbids POV characterizations such as "balancing positive groups with negative groups" as a consideration in the matter. You have two choices: either this category meets the policy, or it doesn't meet the policy. Which is it going to be? Bearcat 21:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually it is not binding policy - the categorisation page says so. I'll quote: 'This page is considered a guideline on Wikipedia. It illustrates standards of conduct, which many editors agree with in principle. Although it may be advisable to follow it, it is not however policy.' [end quote] Please stop posting misleading statements Cynical 08:46, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:German government images

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:36, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Images tagged with {{GermanGov}} are categorized here. The template has been deleted as misleading; the category must go, too. Pilatus 01:59, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Tea Ceremony to Category:Tea ceremony

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:33, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - Similar categories, but different capitalization. --Uthbrian (talk) 01:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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