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Category:Treehouse TV shows

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I need this category deleted because I found a similar category for Treehouse TV shows. Mr. C.C. 01:36, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominated by creator. --tjstrf 01:39, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per CSD G7. googl t 18:12, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Aircraft manufacturers to Category:Aircraft manufacturers by country

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The result of the debate was split out country categories (cfd not needed for this) --Kbdank71 17:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To follow other categories in Category:Companies by country. David Kernow 22:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Albums by sales and subcategories

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think albums should be categorized by platinum and gold certifications in different countries. This is not a good idea and could get out of control. --musicpvm 22:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fauna of Georgia to Category:Fauna of Georgia (U.S. state)

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 17:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as member of Category:Disambiguation categories, like Category:People from Georgia. -- ProveIt (talk) 20:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dublin places of worship to Category:Places of worship in Dublin

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To follow all other contents of Category:Places of worship by city with "in city" wording (Ex Category:Places of worship in New York City, Category:Places of worship in Rome, etc.). Kurieeto 19:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Notable ice hockey fans

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I have no doubt that these people are notable and that they are fans, but I don't see how this category can ever be populated effectively or be useful to anyone. Brian G 18:58, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Windows NT to Category:Microsoft Windows

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 17:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category is barely maintained; most articles for NT are in the Windows category. Cwolfsheep 18:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge to parent category as proposed by Cwolfsheep. (Windows NT -- the product, not the WP article -- isn't maintained anymore, and its XP descendant is barely maintained, but that's neither here nor there.) There aren't Windows subcats for all the other notable versions like 3.1, 95, nor 2000, so the nominated subcat isn't needed for consistency. Barno 22:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Whilst Windows NT was a product, it covers many versions, as it is a technoology (The Windows 2000 boot screen deos state 'Based on NT Technology'); So, I'd expect the category to have articles for NT 3.1, NT 3.5, NT 4.0, 2000, XP and Vista. Perhaps a rename of the category to Windows NT Technology Would be in order, instead? Ratarsed 07:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think the NT-and-descendants line needs a subcat. The parent category is good enough, and each article's text should have clarification on NT-line vs. 3.1/95/98/Me-line (if relevant) regardless of whether it happens to have a category tag at the bottom. Barno 14:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ashevillians

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The result of the debate was redirect --Kbdank71 17:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as redirect to Category:People from Asheville, North Carolina. -- ProveIt (talk) 18:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tehran Neighbourhoods to Category:Neighbourhoods in Tehran

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 17:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to the conventional form. Honbicot 18:32, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Cities and towns in Iran

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a relatively new category. Category:Cities in Iran is large and well established, but this category only contains a list, which is also now in Category:Geography of Iran. There was also an article about a place which was said to be a town, so I have moved it to Category:Towns in Iran. That makes this category redundant and therefore I am suggesting deletion. However if anyone can confirm that there is no distinction between a city and a town in Iran, the correct action would be to merge Category:Cities in Iran into Category:Cities and towns in Iran.Honbicot 18:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Chilean companies

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The result of the debate was merge. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Companies of Chile, to match other Category:Companies by country. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:List of Legends of the Dark Knight Stories

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 17:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Batman storylines or Category:Batman stories, depending on outcome of earlier discussion. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Latin actors and Category:Latino actors

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The result of the debate was delete both. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or delete. No preference. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User pages of Emir214

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We don't do personal user categories. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Osaka

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The result of the debate was cat redirect --Kbdank71 17:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as redirect to Category:People from Osaka Prefecture. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Montenegrin actresses

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 17:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Montenegrin actors. -- ProveIt (talk) 14:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Musical activists to Category:Activist musicians

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a category for people who have campaigned for the rights of stage musicals. It certainly needs to be renamed but I would be equally happy to see it deleted as it it liable to attract the articles of every musician who has ever made a token effort on behalf of anything. Chicheley 14:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Universal Postal Union

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The result of the debate was withdrawn --Kbdank71 15:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Child category that has only its own article and is unlikely to grow; the article is already in other categories that are all appropriate for it. Jack 11:45, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete Highly unlikely that this will be developed and its single article is already accessed from other categories. --Jack 11:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep I've managed to grow it to four articles, which while small, is sufficient I think for a category. Caerwine Caerwhine 12:38, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply to Weak Keep Re the three articles you have added. Heinrich von Stephan belongs primarily in category:Postmasters; he also has a significant place in category:Postal history; and of course he is deservingly mentioned in the Universal Postal Union article, but that does not mean he needs to be in a category about the UPU. International reply coupon does not belong in the UPU category at all: it was already in category:Postal system which is fine, but it also needs to be in category:Postal stationery - if you put this in UPU then you should put the whole of the postage stamp and postal system articles in there too! Finally, .post is at least sponsored by UPU but in a philatelic category sense it should be in category:Postal services: again, if you put this in UPU then everything should go in UPU. The fact is that UPU is great material for an article and an article only. The various categories about postage and postal systems are designed to cater for everything else and they do, though admittedly you have picked up a couple of stray articles above which did need to be found a home. --Jack 14:45, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • definitely delete UPU is an organisation that needs an article in its own right, as does any similar organisation, but to make a category of it is absurd: you would make a category about any and all organisations if you did that!! I see it is in the postal organisations category which is where it belongs and that will do. These other three articles should be in postal service or history type categories and I see that's where they are anyway. --AlbertMW 15:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment Excellent point. If I type category:Bank of England does it come up red or blue? Precisely. It is an organisation and so has its own article but it is not a category and the UPU is precisely the same. Once again, however, I have a serious issue re the value of this discussion page and the way that positive progress to improve a project from within the project is hindered by people with an agenda who inhabit these pages and do not have an interest in the project concerned. This is a serious flaw in Wikipedia and someone should do something about it. --Jack 05:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Organizations do indeed have categories, when there are sufficient numbers of articles to warrant them. Using the banking example, Category:European System of Central Banks and Category:Federal Reserve both exist. Now back to the three articles I added, one is about the man who did the most to found the UPU, and the other two are about services sponsored by the UPU, and which are not available outside the UPU system. If there is to be a Category:Universal Postal Union, all three articles that I added should be in this category, and I would appreciate it if the category were not removed again from those articles unless the category should happen to be deleted. I also found another article, S10 (UPU standard) to add to the category. The reason for the weak qualifier I initially appended to my keep is that there aren't many existing articles that would warrant having thus category, but I'm not worried about insufficient articles now. Caerwine Caerwhine 08:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Objection Caerwine is out of order here. He has deliberately added these three (or four) articles to the category after it was nominated for deletion and before the discussion has been completed. The category was nominated when I investigated it as part of a project recategorisation exercise and it was found to have only its one eponymous article in it, with no evident prospect of further use by the project. I have asked the project for its views and so far only one member has responded (see AlbertMW above). I have offered to Caerwine that I personally will restore these articles to the category if the decision is to keep the category but until the discussion is completed, the category should be restored to its pre-nomination status with one article. I have asked Caerwine via his talk page to do this so the ball is in his court. --Jack 13:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Rebuttal The only reason made in the original nomination was that the category had only one article and was not likely to grow. In such a circumstance, finding appropriate articles that would fit in the category is not only not out of order, but generally considered a useful service. Now if the proponent wishes to argue that it is an inappropriate category for Wikipedia to have based on other grounds, I urge him to do so, but on the basis of his original argument of insufficient articles, or on his secondary point of organizations don't get categories, he is mistaken. Caerwine Caerwhine 16:13, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, I'm of the opinion that only organizations with lots of related articles should get their own categories. This kind of messes up this section's categorization scheme as there aren't any other organizations with their own categories at the same level. The other articles added to it are better categorized elsewhere. Recury 17:46, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It seems to me some of you don't really understand the UPU as an organization that sets the control standards for most of the mail communications in the world today. In that respect it is not at all like the Category:Bank of England example at all. Several articles already listed in Category:Philately and Category:Postal system should IMHO also be in the UPU category. This category should be much larger than it is now but most people forget about it because its influence is so much behind the scenes in relationship to sending our mail. As an test, do a search to see how often the entry UPU or Universal Postal Union is linked to from articles that are not yet in the category but should be. The IRC is definitely a candidate as are some more of the items in List of philatelic topics, like Express mail, Illegal stamps, Eugène Borel, Universal Code (Post Code), PostEurop, Ruth Yannatta Goldway and of course Mail to name a few that are easy to find. While I disagree with Jack on the subject of deletion, I do agree that this category discussion really belongs more to the philatelists, portal and project users than to those who are not very familiar with the topic. I cannot agree with User:AlbertMW that having this category is absurd. It is definitely useful and so long as writers remember to use the category it will grow. In fact I forgot to add it as a category to Express mail that I reorganised, partially rewrote and merged pages into recently. ww2censor 18:56, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Some of your suggestions for articles to add to this category don't make much sense to me. For instance, I considered Express mail, but rejected it as it dealt with express mail in general and not the EMS Express Mail Service sponsored by the UPU in particular (which if it had an article of its own would deserve this category), and as for Mail, considering that the concept predates and will outlast the UPU, I can't see this being an appropriate category for that article. Ms. Goldway's link to the UPU is so tenuous, I wouldn't add this category to her article either. Categories are not meant to be a substitute for "What links here". Caerwine Caerwhine 15:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply to Caerwine Comment EMS did have a page of its own[1] but it was only a short 2 sentence article and by discussion it was agreed to merge with Express mail. There will always be a global regulatory body and even though the UPU came into existence long after mail services started, I think the mail systems will outlast the UPU, I doubt it you will be proven correct. Please remember the UPU sets many of the standards for mail services worldwide and that alone IMHO confirms the need for a category. ww2censor 16:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination withdrawn and keep Thank you, Ww2censor. If another member of the project has a use for the category then I am happy to keep it and will try to populate it personally. No problem with that. I hope AlbertMW is comfortable with it but I am willing to gamble that he is. I suggest for starters that it is lifted from level 2 and placed in level 1. But I have a real problem with this deletion discussion procedure which is bureaucratic, subversive, "politically correct", a complete and utter waste of everyone's time and a whole host of other words that I will not use in case there any kids reading. No wonder several very good contributors have decided that Wikipedia is not for them. --BlackJack | talk page 20:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sound good to me, so let's try to populate the category with appropriate articles. ww2censor 16:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:West Ham United F.C. players that never played for the 1st team

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The result of the debate was merge to Category:West Ham United F.C. players --Kbdank71 15:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why? All these players could be listed as players of West Ham. An unwieldly name, a sub-division which is unencyclopedic and sets a dangerous precedent Trident13 11:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • There is always a lot of talk on Merge versus Delete in these pages. My suggestion in this case would support Delete the Category and Merge the data into West Ham United F.C. players. Rgds, - Trident13 08:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American philatelists

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The result of the debate was Withdrawn --William Allen Simpson 00:47, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

delete unnecessary child category which has only one article that is also in the parent category; parent itself is unlikely to grow and is not really big enough for sub-cats. Jack 11:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn and sorted by six new very small sub-categories --Jack 12:15, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Moldavian composers

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 15:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What is actually meant here is Category:Moldovan composers, as in "of Moldova" - for composers that were citizens of Moldavia, we have Category:Romanian composers; the present cat is, and is destined to remain, empty. Dahn 11:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Impressionists to Category:Impressionist entertainers

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 15:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category requires disambiguation from Category:Impressionist painters. Chicheley 09:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Global network shows to Category:Global television network shows

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Category:Global television network shows to Category:Global Television Network shows

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 15:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted from July 5 for more opinions. Conscious 07:42, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge [then] Rename to correct capitalization, article says official name is "Global Television Network" although it usually goes by just "Global" MakeRocketGoNow 18:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can't support that option; it implies Global as the producer of the series, and thus can't include a series aired on the network but produced by another company. Also, it takes Global out of the naming convention otherwise in place in its parent category, which is "(NETWORK NAME) network shows". Bearcat 02:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I did not realize that the category was for all programming on that network. - LA @ 12:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Transport in Asia

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 15:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Russian and Soviet aircraft engines to Category:Soviet and Russian aircraft engines

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 15:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Letran alumni to Category:Colegio de San Juan de Letran alumni

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 14:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More complete name --Howard the Duck 06:03, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A notice of discussion has been added at Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines. --Howard the Duck 06:09, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Theodore Kaczynski

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category pertains to a notable person, but a category with one inclusion? I don't believe much more could fit into this category; it's incredibly pointless. I think this was an ill attempt at an article due to the categories at the bottom of the page. Michael 05:15, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional warriors

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Horrendously bloated category, as it would include every single fictional character to engage in combat at some point in their lives. I'd like to cite Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_July_3#Category:Fictional_characters_who_can_fly as precedent for deletion based on being absurdly large. tjstrf 01:00, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, in case it wasn't obvious, I vote Delete. --tjstrf 22:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Eep. While it could be an interesting category, I don't think it works as it stands now. Delete as per fliers.--SarekOfVulcan 03:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would move towards recatorizing and create seperate categories such as I am thinking and seperating the Japanese manga and anime characters to help with cutting down the page size and calling it the Manga and Anime warriors or Manga and Anime fighters. Then create a category for the American TV shows and Movie characters and finally one for the video game warriors. This is all I can think of to help perserve the way how it can connect these kind of Tv series and movies together whever if they were to be for American or Japanese created series. -Adv193 04:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The key reason as I can see why this page had this much trouble was due to cramming all those different subjects of TV, Movies, Anime, Comics and Video Games togther. -Adv193 05:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Even when divided by genre, it would still be an absurdly huge category. The problem with this category is not whether it is properly subdivided, it's that it's an unmanagablely large collection of information. Also, as currently used, it is indiscriminate. A "warrior" in the context of this category is anyone who fights. Any work of fiction, be it comics, manga, movies, radio drama, television series, or illuminated editions of Canterbury Tales probably has at least one character who has engaged in some form of combat. This is a fictional characters by nature category in which the "nature" we are describing is nearly universal. We might as well have "Fictional people with eyes" as a category.--tjstrf 06:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bjork to Category:Björk

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The result of the debate was rename and {{category redirect}}. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from speedy renaming after opposition
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Number-one album categories

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The result of the debate was delete (list articles already exist for UK and US - I will wait a week or so before doing Australia to give someone a chance to listify it). --RobertG ♬ talk 08:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC) Update: I have cursorily listified it myself at List of number-one albums (Australia)! --RobertG ♬ talk 10:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The first two are not consistent with other American/British categories, and during previous discussions, others have stated that the hyphen in "number-one" is gramatically correct. --musicpvm 00:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lists not only would convey the same information as a category, but would be able to indicate also when the album was number-one in a particular country, as well as who was saying they were number-one. Alternatively, if kept as categories, rename as Category:Number-one albums in the United States, Category:Number-one albums in the United Kingdom, and Category:Number-one albums in Australia respectively, since I doubt if all the albums in each category would be Category:American albums, Category:British albums, and Category:Australian albums respectively, as the proposed rename would suggest. Caerwine Caerwhine 02:35, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Power plants to Category:Power stations

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The result of the debate was rename in line with main article, and cat-redirect. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:33, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Power station seems to be the more usual term internationally, is the present title of the main article for the category, and is somewhat less ambiguous, given this disambig. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alai (talk • contribs) 00:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support, and I've added Category:Power plants by country, Category:Power plants in Lithuania, and Category:Power plants in the United States as well. It probably would be a good idea to also do Category:Hydroelectric power plants and Category:Nuclear power plants and their subcats (somof whic use plant and others use station), but they are reasonably unambiguous as is and can wait until this rename can be decided. Caerwine Caerwhine 02:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per nom.--SarekOfVulcan 03:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:New Right (Europe) to Category:Nouvelle Droite

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 14:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To make it clear this category is actually about the Nouvelle Droite movements. Intangible 00:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The Nouvelle Droite has nothing to do with the New Right conservatism linked to Thatcher, but it has influenced "New Right" movements in other European countries. It also has nothing to do with the New Right in the USA, Australia and New Zealand. Intangible 02:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. -- This is another in the relentless campaign by Intangible to totally rewrite the taxonomy of right-wing movements on Wikipedia to support an idiosyncratic POV. The Nouvelle Droite in English is "New Right." There are dozens of books by scholars in English about the European New Right. They mean in France, Germany, Belgium, etc. --Cberlet 22:32, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Out of the stew of the Third Position, and the European New Right theories of intellectuals such as Alain de Benoist, came a new version of White Nationalism that championed racially separate nation-states." (Berlet & Lyons, Right-Wing Populism in America). See also: Martin A. Lee, The Beast Reawakens, pp. 208–215. --Cberlet 12:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So the New Right movement associated with Thatcher can go into this cat Category:New Right (Europe) as well? See King (1987) "The New Right: Politics, Markets and Citizenship." If not, the title of this category should be changed. Intangible 17:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, the solution is to leave everything the way it is. There is already a disambiguation page for New Right. This is the English language Wikipedia. Nouvelle Droite is what the French movement is called. But there are other European New Right movements than the one in England. We can mention this on the category pages. Feel free to create a category for "New Right (England)"--Cberlet 12:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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