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Category:Films with bonus scenes after the credits

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Films with bonus scenes after the credits to Category:Films with post-credits scenes

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Category:Islam and anti-Semitism

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The result of the debate was rename/merge to Category:Islam and antisemitism --Kbdank71 14:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Islam and anti-Semitism to Category:Muslims and anti-Semitism

6 editors with same opinion, each after another, without interruption of other users, and having exact same idea vote the same. Isn't it strange? --Hossein.ir 19:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not when the answer is obvious. Why transclude or retype the entire discussion when it can just be referenced. Maybe the nomination is strange, no?   -- Avi 20:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I confirm that I copied and pasted Avi's comment. Why can't I do that? Beit Or 07:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ohio State University Buckeyes academia

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The result of the debate was rename/merge to Category:Ohio State University --Kbdank71 14:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ohio State University Buckeyes academia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, unnecessary subcategory of Category:Ohio State University. Most articles about a university are going to be about its academics, so it's hardly a sensible thing to split out. Any articles not already in the parent should of course be added there as well. Postdlf 21:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I agree that articles about a university should be about its academics.

However, most of the time, I see the academic aspects are overshadowed by the school athletics.

In this case, You contradicted yourself at some point against your previous comments Category:Ohio State University enthusiasm and entertainment ....Based on its contents, it seems to be mostly intended for OSU sports fandom,....--140.254.115.92 22:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I was the one who created those categories.

I do not mind if someone has a better idea or way to categorize them.


But please allow me to explain my concept, from what I see there currently are about 81 pages under the Category:Ohio State University. I am sure that the number will be growing. If we put them on in one category (Category

Ohio State University), it is difficult to follow. We may see that there

is a need to categorize them into different groups where they are closely related. I personally understand that our Ohio State pages and categories/sub categories should conform to standards and norms practiced in wikipedia. However, it does not mean that we cannot be creative. To my own view, I see that our existing Ohio State pages and categories/sub categories follow the norms that other universities have. The only thing is that we just created additional categories to group different categories into a smaller number so that they can be easy to view and browse on the main Category:Ohio State University. I do not see the benefits of having many subcategories in the main Category:Ohio State University, and when we click to those subcategories, there is nothing listed beyond that. There is an exception only for the school athletics. You can see that when we click on each school athletics category, there are more subcategories listed under. Moreover, under each school alumni category, when we click on it, we only see the subcategories of the school athletes. I think that American universities are more than just athletics.


As I explained earlier that my concept is that each university is comprised of three main bodies: its people, its spirit/sole, and its tangible things. We may also add its campuses and academics in there. I considered that these are main subcategories for each school under its main category. Then, I tried to group the remaining subcategories into these main subcategories. If you have a better way to group them, that is fine with me. But I do not see the benefits or putting all small subcategories directly under the main category. At least, for example, if you delete the "Category:Ohio State University Buckeyes academia", the current pages under this category will fall only under the main "Category:Ohio State University ". That means you are directly de-emphasizing the academic side of the university and promoting only the school athletics (because there are only subcategories for the school athletics and athletes).


About the redundancy, one subcategory or page may fall into different categories. I do not see any wrong with it. For example, many school athletes are also listed under alumni and school sports players. Or are we saying that school athletics and athletes are exception??--Ohho 00:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To the extent I understand your comments above (please try to be more concise), yes, it is different to subcategorize athletics within a university category than academics, because a university is by definition an academic institution. "X University academics" is therefore redundant, or at least is not a useful designation to add to the subject. Subcategories for academic departments, for example, might be reasonable, and note that I have not yet CFD'd the "schools, departments," etc., category you also created, though I think it needs at least a rename and clearer focus so I am thinking about it. Postdlf 02:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Of course, a university is by definition an academic institution. I agree with that 100%. But it does not mean that we should just put everything under one main category and leave them like that. As you can see the Category:Massachusetts Institute of Technology, there are 160 pages listed under this main category. And I believe that the list is still growing. Do you expect readers to browse through the long list and find things easily? Under the Category:Ohio State University, there are currently 81 pages. We have all subcategories that comply to the standards and norms used under the wiki for American universities. I think that we should find a way to group these pages into different subcategories. Therefore, they are easy to browse through and surf. It won't hurt. If you can find a way to that (group all 81 pages properly and create subcategories for them as much as we can so that it is easy to surf) it is fine with me. We have done that for American school athletics and athletes and I cannot find a reason why we should not do the same to other pages under the main (American school) categories.

Also, Let compare the subcategories under American universities with the subcategories under British academic institutions, you will see big differences. Subcategories under American universities are more about athletics. And we are saying that "a university is by definition an academic institution" When we search Subcategories under an American university, it is more like we are surfing on a sport franchise. Subcategories created under American universities are more about school athletics and athletes. Some American schools (like MIT) may be exceptional because they do not have good athletics and athletes nor do not emphasize on them. As I brought up about the Category:Massachusetts Institute of Technology, we can see that they list Massachusetts Institute of Technology alumni, Massachusetts Institute of Technology faculty, Massachusetts Institute of Technology presidents separately under the main category. In this case, I like what we did better by grouping all these three subcategories into one subcategory and list it once on the main Category. To me, It looks massy if we put all subcategories under the main Category. My intention is to see as less as key subcategories under the main Category and list the detailed subcategories under the key subcategories. --Ohho 08:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:The Ohio State Buckeyes academic facilities and centers

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The result of the debate was rename/merge to Category:Ohio State University --Kbdank71 14:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:The Ohio State Buckeyes academic facilities and centers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, unnecessary subcategory. I think all entries are already in Category:Ohio State University. Or, rename to something like Category:Ohio State University facilities, though I don't believe that is paralleled in any other university category structure. Postdlf 21:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ohio State University enthusiasm and entertainment

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The result of the debate was rename/merge to Category:Ohio State University --Kbdank71 14:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ohio State University enthusiasm and entertainment (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, confused category. No other university category has a subcategory anything like this. Based on its contents, it seems to be mostly intended for OSU sports fandom, for which Category:Ohio State Buckeyes athletics can provide a ready home, if not Category:Ohio State University directly. Postdlf 21:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ohio State University landmarks properties and facilities

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The result of the debate was rename/merge to Category:Ohio State University --Kbdank71 14:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ohio State University landmarks properties and facilities (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, some kind of confusingly malformed and unnecessary hybrid. It currently contains everything that OSU could be said to "own" (I think), from buildings to television stations managed by the university, to fight songs, to the sports mascot (?). Merge anything to Category:Ohio State University not already contained there, but I think it's already all contained there. Postdlf 21:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:PowerBook

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 14:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:PowerBook into Category:Macintosh laptops

  • Merge, I'd already organized all (or nearly all) Macs by processor type, form factor (laptop vs desktop), and product lines within those. No reason to come along afterward and pitch everything back into one big pool, especially when it creates a redundant category. I've reverted the other damage, except for this category. Recommend it's deletion, and reversion of the articles in it. ⇔ ChristTrekker 20:30, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bad nomination: Get consensus at WikiProject Macintosh before making changes like this. ChristTrekker has never participated in Macintosh article work before, and is trying to create arbitrary categories based on an attribute (the type of CPU used) that is already adequately served by list articles. This editor has a bit of a history of odd category ideas, for example, adding Category:MS Windows-like desktops to all the Microsoft Windows version articles. It makes no sense, and I encourage this editor to discuss their ideas with other editors. -/- Warren 22:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      1. I've been using Macs since '91, owned a Mac and had a job where I was paid for my Mac knowledge since '93, and maintained a Mac-related FAQ for two years. Don't try to tell me I'm not qualified to edit Mac articles. Your comment, "ChristTrekker is taking it upon himself to recategorize the Macintosh articles" (emphasis added), indicates this as well. Taking it upon myself? Users "taking it upon themselves" is the entire idea wiki is built upon: BE BOLD. Your attitude sounds elitist. I didn't think I needed permission to try to improve things - I trod on an article under the auspices of a WikiProject for the first time, mea culpa. There didn't seem to be much organized structure in place, so I tried to create some, that's all.
      2. Who defines arbitrary? CPU type/speed is one of the defining characteristics of a computer! CPU family is definitely worth categorizing on. There are meaninful distinctions based on this, such as what software can be run, which is important to know when you're dealing with a single make. It's a fundamental, not extraneous.
      3. Who says that categories and lists can't coexist? Maybe you navigate well using list articles. Others, like myself, prefer categories. Where's the problem?
      4. OT, but how exactly is MS Windows-like desktops a bad category? Plenty of Unix window managers follow the basic UI model established by Win95, enough that "Windows-like desktop" is a meaningful identifier/category. I've definitely heard "I'm using Windows-like X, but it doesn't have feature Y that I want, what other Windows-like wms could I use?" come up in discussion. Just because you don't understand something, doesn't make it an odd idea. And even though you reverted those articles, Windows itself certainly could belong in the category - they define the category. The typical Windows user might think it an odd category, but it makes sense to those with a broader perspective.

      Removing nomination for delete/merge. Misunderstood the intent of the category (product line vs form factor). Discussion of systematic categorization is taking place elsewhere. ⇔ ChristTrekker 16:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per Warren, though I'm not entirely sure what the proposal was, it seems to obfuscate some sort of dispute. I'd defer to the project for their joint expertise. --Dhartung | Talk 09:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Warren. ChristTrekker's categorization preferences don't make sense to me either; categorizing PowerBooks within a PowerBook category makes a whole lot more sense than spliting into "PowerBook ([processor])" categories such as Category:PowerBook (PPC) (of which Category:PowerBook would be a logical parent anyway). Postdlf 23:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cypriot American football players

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 15:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Category:Cypriot American football players

Category created for one individual (Garo Yepremian); categories, as far as I understand, should not be created for singular individuals, please correct me if I am wrong; category empty now, anyway.HOT L Baltimore 17:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not empty anything before the discussion is over. Punkmorten 15:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, overcategorization, random and insignificant intersection of unrelated traits (being Cypriot American and being a football player) that no one has ever bothered to study. Postdlf 17:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, three way cross of ethnicity / nationality / profession. -- ProveIt (talk) 01:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep, you are all wrong. Yes, we do create categories for one individual! The rest of you are misunderstanding - this has nothing to do with him being Cypriot American by ethnicity, it categorizes him as being a Cypriot player of American football. Nothing wrong with having such a category (if he really was Cypriot by nationality, the article is a bit unclear on that point), like all the other articles in Category:American football players by nationality. Punkmorten 15:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Even if one article were enough for a category, you'll at least have to establish that he actually belonged in that category. According to the article, any connection he had to Cyprus (his parents were Armenian, so it's unclear if he was ever a Cypriot by nationality, unless birth alone there would be enough) ended when he moved to London at 16; he didn't start playing football until he moved to the U.S. So it doesn't make sense to call him a Cypriot football player if he never played football as a Cypriot. Postdlf 17:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. No, we don't create categories for one individual, any more than we create lists for one item. Categories are for grouping pages, which you can not do with only one page. -Amarkov babble 15:04, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The category wasn't created for one individual. It was created as part of scheme--"(nationality) American football players"--that will occasionally produce single-occupant subcategories. The fact that the nationality and the "American" are next to each other is a complication, but what else are we going to call that sport? Now, if Garo isn't a Cypriot, then the category should go away. What nationality do you think he should go in? Perhaps, category:English American football players?--Mike Selinker 18:07, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • They should probably be renamed to something like, e.g., "English players of American football", to make it clear it's not talking about "English-American" ethnicity, which is what confused us above with this category. Garo's article has the "nationalized U.S. citizen" category applied, but I didn't see it state when he became a citizen. If he only played football as an American citizen, then he's just an American in relation to his football career (American American football player??). Postdlf 18:15, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'd have no objection to that kind of mass renaming. I don't know whether Yepremian's a Cypriot, but I think that if he was in England at 16, he needs some nationality category other than US.--Mike Selinker 18:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This category is ridiculous, but this sort of thing is an inevitable outcome of the ethnic classification system. I would vote to delete all such categories if they were nominated as a group, but I will not vote to delete this one on its own. Piccadilly 20:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Old Tratonians

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Old Tratonians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete There is no such association, according to Google - which provides only self-references by 2 x non-notable individuals Ian Cairns 16:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Companies in Rochester, New York

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The result of the debate was deleted as empty. If recreated it should be as Category:Companies based in Rochester, New York. the wub "?!" 16:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Companies in Rochester, New York (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, overcategorization. Companies by state is sufficient; below that just document them in lists to keep the categories from being too chopped up by overlocalization (companies based in Dublin, Ohio, anyone?). Also unnecessary and empty; the one entry I found was a company not actually based in Rochester. Alternative, rename to Category:Companies based in Rochester, New York to match parent Category:Companies based in New York and make organizing criteria clear. Postdlf 16:29, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I just created the category; that's why it's underpopulated. Second of all, all of the other subcategories of Category:Rochester, New York include articles on topics from the surrounding area (city and suburbs); I saw no reason this category couldn't do the same (Category:Companies in Fairport, New York -- now that would be overcategorization!). Third, the existence of the other subcats (Category:Buildings and structures in Rochester, New York, Category:Radio stations in Rochester, New York, Category:Sports in Rochester, New York, et al.) indicated to me that a category on companies would be equally useful. I was going to just add PAETEC Communications to Category:Rochester, New York but felt subcategorization was more useful. Powers T 17:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
May I also point out Category:Companies based in New York City?
So even if companies by city is not per se overcategorization (the NYC category has 123 entries, which seems to justify that city at least), it needs to fit into the existing company category scheme, not just Rochester. A previous CFD discussion determined that there was a consensus for limiting the categorization of companies to where they are based. PAETEC is not based in Rochester, it's based near it within the same county. This may seem like splitting hairs to you, but categories need to be precise and obvious in order to work properly because they lack annotations when they appear in articles. Let's start with a List of companies based in Rochester, New York, and then see if there's really a need for that separation to be reflected in the category structure as well. Postdlf 17:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
One possible problem with Rochester, New York is that it frequently includes companies and activities based in the surounding communities. This is common around larger cities. So city based categories are not always restricted to the city. If you look at Category:Rochester, New York you will find Greece (town), New York and Six Flags Darien Lake. This tells me that the category is aceptable to cover the area. So I would also expect that companies associated with Rochester would be included in a category like Category:Companies based in Rochester, New York. I'm leaning Keep and see how it fills up. But this raises a question. Do we need a guideline on questions like this or do we let them be resolved on a one on one basis? If that discusion starts it probably needs to be on the talk page. Vegaswikian 20:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with allowing a city category to include subjects not actually within the city is that it's not objectively clear how such places should be associated. It's POV which communities are merely "surrounding" communities and which are "stand-alone" "important" ones that shouldn't be subsumed by another's identity. And it's not even always clear which community would be the relevant one for deciding what community another one "surrounds." This is why we got rid of "Suburbs of X" categories, if I recall correctly.
However, if there is a census-defined metropolitan statistical area for Rochester, then that would be an appropriate for a category (as long as the category is expressly defined as "Companies based in the Rochester MSA"). Otherwise, because categories need to be taken literally, municipal boundaries should be respected. It should be left to article text to explain what is "near" or "surrounding" the article's subject rather than actually within it. Postdlf 20:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rochester is a metropolitan statistical area. Vegaswikian 06:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's fair enough, but that seems like it might be a big change. As I noted, most of the other subcats of the Rochester category include items from surrounding areas as well. As for the MSA, I think it might be too large for these purposes. Monroe County would be a good limit, but then the category might be harder to find for people interested in the Rochester area. Powers T 15:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional cat-based characters

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The result of the debate was delete. David Kernow (talk) 05:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional cat-based characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete per precedent on similar "bug-based character" category, and soon-to-be precedent on similar "insect-based character" category. The relationship is minimal and superficial, equivocating cat themes or cat similarities in costume, name, superpowers, etc. X-based is too vague to be meaningful. Postdlf 16:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Centenarian bishops

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The result of the debate was delete (see also Nonagenarian bishops and Octogenarian Bishops below). --RobertG ♬ talk 10:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, or create Category:Bishops by how old they happened to be at some random time in the past. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nonagenarian Bishops

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The result of the debate was delete (see also Centenarian bishops above and Octogenarian Bishops below). --RobertG ♬ talk 10:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, irrelevent intersection ... although not quite as bad as red-haired kings. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, see the 80s below... --Stephan Schulz 16:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Piano Jazz guests

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The result of the debate was delete. David Kernow (talk) 05:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, or create Category:Guest stars by radio show. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Superhero pastiches

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The result of the debate was delete; listified at List of Batman pastiches and List of Wonder Woman pastiches accordingly. David Kernow (talk) 05:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Batman pastiches (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Wonder Woman pastiches (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Listify and delete, per prior precedent on similar category for Superman pastiches. Too subject to subjectivity and OR when not explained and sourced in article text. Postdlf 15:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Christian television stations

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 16:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Christian television networks, to match Trinity Broadcasting Network. -- ProveIt (talk) 14:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Barred disc galaxies

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Barred disc galaxies (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Alpine plants

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The result of the debate was merge. the wub "?!" 11:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Alpine plants into Category:Alpine flora

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Category:Ruby Fradkin albums

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As the article on her was apparently deleted and the category is empty.--T. Anthony 08:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:ODF

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:ODF into Category:OpenDocument

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Category:Fictional people who wear glasses

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The result of the debate was delete and salt. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional people who wear glasses (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete recreation of multiply deleted category. Overcategorization. Do we add a category for fictional people who wear bandanas? Fictional people who take allergy shots? Fictional people with blue eyes? Doczilla 07:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Cantors

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 12:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Cantors to Category:Hazzans

  • Rename, the main article is at hazzan, and cantor can refer to things other than hazzans (which may or may not merit own their separate category). Hazzans seems to be more frequent than hazzanim, based on google. Mairi 05:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...although given the Hebrew/Jewish context, perhaps Hazzanim to be preferred...?  Regards, David Kernow (talk) 13:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Perhaps, but that's why I compared the frequency of google results to try to get a feeling for what the commonly used term is, since using the most common term is generally the preference for naming things. If there's some reason to think that hazzanim is in fact more common, that'd be good to know. Mairi 20:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Living Bishops of the United Methodist Church

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The result of the debate was merge. the wub "?!" 12:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Living Bishops of the United Methodist Church (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, another subcategorization by aliveness, with no good reason to deviate from our standard of not having such. Mairi 05:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Clergy abuse

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Clergy abuse (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
per same rationale as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clergy abuse. In addition, many of the articles currently within the category only have very incidental or tenuous links to the clergy which I would consider violates WP:NPOV Ohconfucius 03:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Music managers

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 16:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Music managers to Category:Talent managers

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Category:Eminent Brahmos

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Brahmos; who decides which ones are Eminent? -- ProveIt (talk) 02:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Canadian Investing

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The result of the debate was merge. the wub "?!" 12:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Canadian Investing into Category:Financial services companies of Canada

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Category:To Catch a Predator locations

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:To Catch a Predator locations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete because being visited by one particular show is not a major attribute of places like New York City and Washington D.C. Wilchett 01:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Brothers & Sisters actors-actresses

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 12:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Brothers & Sisters actors, convention of Category:Actors by drama television series. -- ProveIt (talk) 01:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Traditionalist Catholic Bishops living/deceased

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The result of the debate was merge both to Category:Traditionalist Catholic bishops. the wub "?!" 11:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Deceased Traditionalist Catholic Bishops (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Living Traditionalist Catholic Bishops (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, No reason to divide Category:Traditionalist Catholic Bishops by whether they're alive/dead, similar living/dead classifications have been deleted before. Mairi 01:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Octogenarian Bishops

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The result of the debate was delete (I will simultaneously close Nonagenarian Bishops and Centenarian bishops above). --RobertG ♬ talk 10:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Octogenarian Bishops (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, categorizing bishops by age seems unnecessary and not usefuly, and no other professions seemed to have such categories. Also, Category:Octogenarians was previously deleted, and some of the reasons (maintainability and such) apply here. If kept, the case needs fixing. Mairi 00:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:United Methodist Bishops

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated. the wub "?!" 18:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:United Methodist Bishops into Category:Bishops of the United Methodist Church

  • Merge Pastorwayne and I had this discussion before, but the solution is to categorise the relevant bishops solely as bishops of the churches the churches in which they served, and then to include those categories as sub-categories of Category:Bishops of the United Methodist Church.
    Pastorwayne's point, if I understand it correctly, is that the United Methodist church recognises as UM bishops two groups of people:
    a) bishops appointed by the UM Church, and,
    b) Bishops of is predecessor churches.
    That fact can be acknowledged by the use of sub-categories: there is no need for this dual classification, which has ended up in quite a mess. This CFD is long-overdue. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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