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Interstate 75 Kentucky shooting

Interstate 75 Kentucky shooting (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No notability. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Elijah have you tagged the wrong article? I'm currently watching a live stream about this with 55K viewers and tons of news article now and to come. Regardless, let's wait for the situation to end first before determining notability. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 01:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Agreed Bloxzge 025 (talk) 01:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

And now a video from Fox on YouTube has over 200,000 views. I'm sure more info will be released dude just give it a few days Bloxzge 025 (talk) 01:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Plus it's a mass shooting since as we know 4 are injured, why would we delete a mass shooting without all the info. Jjbomb (talk) 02:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

No. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:01, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

it's literately a loose shooter situation how is this not notable 2601:902:8000:96C0:10EB:E971:D89B:8A13 (talk) 05:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Incident still under investigation, and while deleting the article over no deaths or it being a "small incident" is somewhat reasonable, it's still on national news and currently under investigation on injuries, and the search of suspect; whether if he's alive or not. If the news start to die down, then probably yes delete. WikiinstA2001 (talk) 17:41, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep It's not even a day old, your deleting an article with information still coming out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloxzge 025 (talk • contribs)
• Keep Why would you want to delete a article about a mass shooting that injured 4, 2 days after a highschool shooting — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjbomb (talk • contribs)
• Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 September 8. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 01:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy keep Literally just happened of course nothing is known yet --Chicken4War (talk) 02:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy keep per above, national news coverage, also just happened.Thief-River-Faller (talk) 02:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep The shooting happened very recently, more information will come out. Koiramainen (talk) 02:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I believe this article was a bit premature. That said, this is currently making national news. ( A B C D E F) Will let others determine if it is notable enough or not. --Super Goku V (talk) 02:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep The shooting only happened today and the article will be expanded in the future. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 02:41, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 03:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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• Comment. Events are in a weird position where making them too early can be crystal balling, but nominating them for deletion too early is also crystal balling. However from my experience in this topic area this one seems relatively unusual in several regards, the type of things that garner long term coverage, so I would be willing to bet it is notable (wouldn't bet my life on it). In either case short of banning breaking news articles this will never be solved, and this article which may be notable is only a microcosm of the issue. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. No fatalities, just another routine shooting in the USA. WWGB (talk) 03:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Routine shooting, I don't see lasting coverage arising from this. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 03:47, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Merge into Interstate 75 in Kentucky and Laurel County, Kentucky history section; redirect to the List of mass shootings in the United States in 2024 after merger; though it should be renamed 2024 Interstate 75 Kentucky shooting first, before merger and redirection. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Only more notable than another shooting along an Interstate this week because of it happening so soon after a much higher-profile incident. Raskuly (talk) 04:26, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Mass shootings are common in the US every day. Articles here are created only for the major ones. Gianluigi02 (talk) 06:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: Made news, has sigcov. We should have an article on it. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 14:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  Is there anything notable about this incident other than the fact it happened after a high-profile active shooting incident and it was described as an "active-shooter" situation? If this had happened before that I doubt it would've received nearly as much coverage. Should shooting incidents in the United States have articles made about them simply because they followed a much more high profile incident even if nothing about them in particular is notable on their own? Raskuly (talk) 15:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  The fact that there is a big manhunt and that it’s all over the national news. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 23:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: Has made international news and ongoing search for perpetrator. Autarch (talk) 15:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Extremely extensive ongoing national coverage, including, e.g., in the New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/07/us/shooting-kentucky-highway.html

Seems to be obviously a notable national story, surprised we are even having this discussion 2603:7081:1300:AB21:34A2:3CFB:3DAB:5482 (talk) 23:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy keep – it is a very notable especially for eastern Kentucky where this kind of stuff doesn’t happen. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 23:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Mass shootings are always at least regionally notable. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 23:26, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

I’ll add that it’s all over national outlets such as NewsNation. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 23:27, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

I've also seen it here on Canadian news. Koiramainen (talk) 00:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

same. CTV news has an article Bloxzge 025 (talk) 00:36, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Even more evidence that it needs to be kept. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 01:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete or Merge: No casualities per above

QalasQalas (talk) 01:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

There has also been shootings with no fatalities with Wikipedia articles, so no fatalities is a bad reason Bloxzge 025 (talk) 02:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. By definition, all sources writing about this incident are primary sources, since they date from the time of the event. Wait until authors have started publishing secondary sources, which discuss the event by reviewing the primary sources from a time well into the future. Nyttend (talk) 02:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  I MIGHT (maybe might) be okay with merging this into a history of I-75 or Laurel County article. But news organizations all over the world are publishing articles about this. That to me sounds like secondary sources to me. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  Comment: I’m no expert but CTV News (a Canadian television network) isn’t going to have reporters hundreds of miles away in Kentucky, which by the way isn’t even in Canada); so CTV definitely isn’t a primary source. Your primary sources are going to be number 1 the Laurel County Sheriffs Department; and number 2; local news media (eg. WYMT; WKYT; etc.); and maybe national sources within the United States. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:32, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  And if you don’t believe what I’m saying: go to https://www.ctvnews.ca and go on that website’s search bar and just search “Kentucky” onto it and you’ll see several stories relating to the shooting. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/suspect-in-i-75-shootings-eludes-law-enforcement-for-a-second-night-in-rural-kentucky-1.7029547 Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:36, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  Plus; with the manhunt still underway, it is still to a certain extent considered a current event. Which means that information can change rapidly over short periods of time. While I am NOT a member of WP:CURRENTEVENTS; I do know their policy of requesting deletion discussions, and PROD tags, and speedy tags to not be started for a few hours (after creation) until more information comes. I do understand however that we are beyond that timeframe technically. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Detentions following the September 11 attacks

Detentions following the September 11 attacks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Could easily be merged into Aftermath of the September 11 attacks if a new section is created. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 22:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Law and Terrorism. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Merge into PENTTBOM. According to the sources on the destination page, the arrests were made as a result of the PENTTBOM investigation, so it would make sense for this page to be merged as an additional section there. Longhornsg (talk) 03:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

  Detentions following the September 11 attacks seems to be a more understandable and encyclopedic article than the incomprehensible PENTTBOM imho. --The Cunctator (talk) The Cunctator (talk) 01:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Content is related to but distinct from PENTTBOM and is is of sufficient encyclopedic merit not to be merged into the mega-article Aftermath of the September 11 attacks, which acts as a survey page linking to other content. --The Cunctator (talk)
• Keep per Cunctator Andre🚐 18:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Asasey Hotel attack

Asasey Hotel attack (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:NEVENT no lasting coverage. Cannot find any coverage of the event after July except for trivial one line mentions in articles discussing other attacks. Closest thing I could find was this: https://www.kormeeraha.com/2021/03/12/canadian-school-renamed-after-hodan-nalayeh/ but it is about a victim more than the attack.

Unfortunately hotel attacks are a common incident in Somalia and just aren't very notable. Could be merged into Hodan Nalayeh, al-Shabaab, or the Somali civil war Traumnovelle (talk) 04:17, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Terrorism and Somalia. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:17, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Merge to 2019 timeline of the Somali Civil War. Or redirect, it's already mentioned there. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep and do not merge. Hotel attacks are not a common incident in Somalia just as school shootings are not in the United States, despite what is suggested from news coverage. An attack in which 25+ people are killed is not WP:ROUTINE and there was international news coverage of the attack in global RS including FT, NYT, CNN, AP, BBC, Reuters, etc. More than enough coverage to establish WP:GEOSCOPE, WP:DEPTH, and WP:GNG for WP:NEVENT. Longhornsg (talk) 04:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Longhornsg But not WP:SUSTAINED which is one of the more important aspects in WP:NEVENT. There is nothing after a month. Death toll is not notability, plenty of even higher casualty attacks are not notable. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Three participants and three different outcomes proposed, the definition of No consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:55, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment I have no issue with merging to the timeline article. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per sources brought up. @PARAKANYAA:: articles are not required to meet GNG and every applicable SNG but GNG or any applicable SNG. This doesn't have lasting consequences, but it does have plenty of coverage in reliable sources.Alien333 ( what I did
  why I did it wrong ) 21:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Delete per replies: I'd forgotten about the whole For Wikipedia's purposes, breaking news stories are also considered to be primary sources bit. — Alien333 ( what I did
  why I did it wrong ) 16:18, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

  WP:GNG states sources should be secondary. All the sourcing appears to be primary sourcing. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Alien333 That is not what NEVENT is. NEVENT is meant to distinguish/help to distinguish events that may suffer from WP:PRIMARYNEWS (since, initially, that's going to be all of the sources). All of the sources here are primary and therefore none contribute to GNG. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  By your logic, every single passing events that blows up in the media for two days has "plenty of coverage in reliable sources"; but we clearly don't have an article on every crime that's ever happened. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. This is just a news story. There is no long-term coverage in secondary sources. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:20, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
• Delete The sources found by Longhornsg are all from the time of the event. No WP:LASTING effect to meet WP:EVENT. LibStar (talk) 23:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: User:PARAKANYAA, you have voiced other opinions here. Are you no longer arguing for a Merge?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I am still arguing for a merge/redirect since it's part of the greater event and was discussed within that context. I do not think it is notable outside of that. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Just about evenly divided between editors arguing for Deletion and those would be okay with a Merge. I didn't want to relist for a third time but I'd prefer not closing this as No consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)