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tessa west

i want a article created about adult star tessa west —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unknown777 (talk • contribs) 03:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello and thanks for your note! Before you start an article on a person, you should be sure that they meet the relevant notability criteria; essentially they need to have been non-trivially mentioned in multiple secondary reliable sources. Adult actors also have additional avenues for achieving notability that are described in the notability guideline I linked to above. When you do start the article, you need to cite your sources, preferably with footnotes, so as to verify the information presented as well as the subject's notability. On a side note, unless you have a photo of her that you took yourself, finding an image of her for the article that's not subject to copyright is likely to be difficult. Hope this helps some, feel free to ask any more questions you like. Happy editing!—Elipongo (Talk contribs) 03:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

eComics

I'd like to create an article entitled "eComics", under the category "Comics" (the article "Comics" already exists, I know that). But there is a large set of specific topics related to this subject, that don't fit the standard Comic article:

• Web comics and web strips (I think there are articles for them, too)
• The emerging culture of printed comic scanning
• Techniques and processes for enhancement of the scanned comics
• Standards for archiving of these images
• Softwares for reading and organizing these archives
• Emerging communities all over the world dedicated to exchange (usually via peer-to-peer) and translate these "eComics" to foreign languages.

The last item above might be the "hottest", because there is the debate on royalties and piracy versus "free initiative", "out-of-market" and other "arguments". But this can be debated later.

I thought about this initiative after the deletion of the article "ComicRack" which talks about a freeware software to organize and "read" eComics. Most arguments pro-deletion talked about "low visibilty", and, after a research, I found many eComic-related articles (most of them stubs) without this "main" article to mend them (perhaps even as a category).

Please, suggestions and opinions preferrably at my talk page. Thanks in advance.

Clayton.Aguiar (talk) 00:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. :) I will duplicate my response at your talk page. My biggest suggestion to you would be that you hook up with the folks at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics, who should be able to give you an informed response to your ideas. It's a pretty active WikiProject, but be warned: its archival bot is like lightning. If your posts disappear without response, you may need to repost them. :) Good luck. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 02:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I've been contributing to the Comic Book Archive file article for a while, and I do think there's a need for such an eComic article. Right now there's a lot of cluttered, redundant and outdated information about eComic related subjects available in Wikipedia, which are often completely reworked. A main article about it could clean this up and incorporate many of the existing smaller articles. By the way, there is already a pretty good article on eComic translations filed under Scanlation. Roskakori (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 22:24, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

If you want to discuss the matter, you might wish to head over to the proposing editor's talk. :) I see another editor has already weighed in there. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 22:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Otaka's Scoop

When I read the article Otaka's Scoop, I remembered going to that blog and loving it. I do not like your judgement on those articles, because I and many other wikipedians think that that needs to be included in Wikipedia. (Dsada (talk) 00:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC))

Hi, Dsada, and welcome to Wikipedia. I'm sorry that you were disappointed by the deletion of Otaka's Scoop, which I note was deleted today as failing to assert notability, specifically for the guidelines governing web material. This is a little out of the scope of the Drawing Board, which is for discussing new article ideas, but I may be able to offer you some pointers anyway.

Consensus of Wikipedia's editors has long been that articles must demonstrate encyclopedic notability, which is often different from popularity. If reliable sources can be provided to demonstrate that the subject is notable, then, by all means, such an article may be included. If not, your only alternative if you wish to see such material on Wikipedia might be to address the policies, which will probably be an uphill battle. To discuss this policy and what warrants inclusion by it, you might wish to initiate a conversation at Wikipedia talk:Notability (web). Otherwise, you can visit Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). Either way, I'd advise you to be patient and persistent. In my own experience in attempting to change or clarify policy, I've found that conversations quickly wander or fade out without much forward movement. It isn't impossible to implement change, but it is sometimes challenging, especially on such a major issue. Good luck. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 04:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

An article about kissing law?

South Africa’s new “Kissing Law” seems to be attracting lots of controversy latly.[1][2] It’s even been picked up by MSNBC and has caused some large protests. (Essentially the idea is that it’s now illegal for kids under 16 to touch or kiss in South Africa.) Do you think it’s notable enough to have its own article yet? I notice that it already has a small mention in Public display of affection. --S.dedalus (talk) 03:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Ask an easy one, why don't you? :D That's difficult. It's certainly drawn interest, but I can easily see someone invoking Wikipedia:NOT#NEWS on it. So far as articles on Blue laws go (to use the North American term), I see one on Sunday shopping. The two links you provide are to the same article, though hosted in different sources. Do you have sources that don't cover that particular protest event? I'd imagine that would help. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 03:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Naval Ships Badges.

Recently I had occasion to look for the ships badges of two particular RN ships of world warll, I am afraid my quest was futile, it was a world wide 'merry go round',the usual sixpenny one. It was quite perplexing when it was discovered and noted, that ships badges on other countries Naval websites where readily available, namely, US Navy, RCN (Canadian), The RAN (Australian) website was intriguing in that not only were all their commissioned ships shown, but all their non-commissioned ships also..!

I have tried quite extensively, but my effort was not exhaustive, it did seem that in the UK, there were quite a number of publishers that dealt with this kind of thing, so I should imagine that there was some kind of deal going on, I have purchased from the UK, did not get what I was looking for, I thought it quite an expensive exercise..!

I do hope that we can get a section of Wikipedia going that will deal with this subject.

Bill Whicker, Fairfield West Sydney. Bill100727 (talk) 03:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Mr. Whicker, and welcome to Wikipedia. (Relatively. I see you've been around a while, but have not been highly active.) :) I wonder if it would benefit you to sign up with a wikiproject. If you haven't encountered them, these are groups of Wikipedians who gather together to work on and discuss articles in which they share interests. Some projects are quite social and active; others less so, but in any case they might be the best bet for you to call together support for your project. Looking at Naval heraldry as a starting point, I see that it is connected to two wikiprojects: Wikipedia:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology and Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history. Happily, both of these have active talk pages--the heraldry project at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology and the military history project at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. You might want to introduce yourself and discuss your ideas there, but I'll warn you that sometimes sparking conversation at wikiproject pages can be tricky. If the right person doesn't see your note, it may go unnoticed. My personal approach is to wait a few days and either post again or to post elsewhere. Eventually, somebody notices. If you'd like to try speaking to some of those people and a talk page post doesn't work, I'd be happy to try to help put you in contact with one of the projects' active members. Just let me know. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 03:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Emily Jordan Folger

Emily Jordan Folger (1858-1936) co-founded the Folger Shakespeare Library in Washington with her husband Henry Clay Folger. She earned a master's degree from Vassar with a Shakespeare-related thesis and was a partner with her husband for many decades before the library opened in 1932, helping him to assemble the world's largest Shakespeare collection by doing the cataloging, handling correspondence, and reviewing sales notices, while he worked as an oil company executive. What makes her especially "notable" is the period after his death in 1930, when it was learned the stock market crash of 1929 had greatly reduced his estate and would not pay enough to complete construction of the library. She came forward at least twice with millions of dollars of her own and remained actively involved with the library's administration until her death in 1936.

Sources include: "Folger, Emily Jordan," American National Biography, Oxford University Press, 1999, volume 8, pages 167-168; Georgianna Ziegler, "Duty and Enjoyment: The Folgers as Shakespeare Collectors in the Gilded Age," Shakespeare in American Life, Washington, DC: Folger Shakespeare Library, 2007; pages on the Folger site on "Founding the Library", "Emily Jordan Folger", and the exhibition "A Shared Passion: Henry Clay Folger, Jr., and Emily Jordan Folger as Collectors", among others.

I would like to write a short wikipedia article on Emily Jordan Folger, although I have an obvious COI (conflict of interest) because I am a freelance writer and editor who often does work for the Folger Shakespeare Library. At their request, I have previously made edits to the "Folger Shakespeare Library" article to remove excessively positive, non-neutral public-relations language and replace it with info similar to that provided for other libraries, flagging and describing the COI on the talk/discussion page for that article and on my own talk page. Another wikipedian reviewed those edits and said they are okay, also on the article talk/discussion page for the Folger Shakespeare Library article.

EFerington (talk) 18:12, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello, EFerington. She sounds like she ought to be notable enough to me, given the sources you mention. :) As far as your possible COI is concerned, as long as you're upfront about it and as long as you follow the recommendations in the COI guideline that "[i]f you do write an article on area in which you are personally involved, [you should] be sure to write in a neutral tone and cite reliable, third-party published sources, and beware of unintentional bias", you should be all right. Since I'm not familiar with the lady's work, I don't know if there is any controversy about her; if there is (unlikely as it seems), you'd want to include that, too. You'd obviously want to avoid overstating her notability or being excessively glowing in praising her. I suspect you already know that. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

New Article

Voice of the Retarded is a long-established advocacy organization for people with Mental Retardation/Developmental Disability. Their website at html://www.vor.net has a great deal of information about them and there is also much criticism of them uncoverable googling "voice of the retarded". Love26 (talk) 18:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Love26. Having been around a while, I imagine you know that this particular article would be governed by the notability guidelines on companies. The rule of thumb here, of course, is noting whether the company has received significant or widespread coverage in secondary sources that are reliable and independent of the company (excluding company PR releases and information solely available on the company website—these sources may be used for additional information after notability has been established by secondary sources). All material must be attributable, and it is at least as important to ensure the quality of the sources used to report criticism as it is the quality of sources used to report praise. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello Moonriddengirl. Thank you for taking the trouble to actually help me get the article in shape for Wikipedia inclusion. I am at a loss to get with the details you speak of because to me Voice of the Retarded is such a well-established entity, having been in the field of activism/advocacy for Persons with Mental Retardation/Developmental Disabilities for several decades. They represent the parents/caregivers of this particular population in testimony before congress and frequently appear as spokespersons for their clients in news articles such as those concerned with closing of institutions, abuses in the nursing home system, etc. At the same time they are much reviled by those groups of advocates for that community for opposing the movement to allow the movement of PWD (Persons With Disabilities) from institutional settings into more suitable community-based accomodations. The article intends to link all this into a balanced view of this organization. If you have time to look into this I can refer you to lots of "attributions" but somehow I just thought it was something everybody was familiar with, I suppose because I deal with it so much. Any further guidance would be very welcome, thank you. Love. Love26 (talk) 03:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back, Love. I don't necessarily need to see the sources you intend to use; it's the article's readers who will need to see them. :) You can use one of the various citation styles for that; Wikipedian's are particularly fond of footnotes and will sometimes tag an article as needing inline citations if it doesn't incorporate those.

Further guidance...let's see. Articles that describe organizations are generally broken down into sections. This article is not a perfect example, since it has some formatting issues, but it might give you an idea what I mean. The lead paragraph gives an overview, indicating what Voice of the Retarded is and what they are notable for. It may allude to controversy, but the material in the lead needs to be balanced to reflect the material in the article. Following the lead, you might include an overview or background section to describe how the organization was founded and by whom and when. It sounds like you intend to include information on controversy; that's fine, but as I mentioned above, controversy must be carefully cited. This is important both to stay within libel laws and within our guidelines on neutrality. That latter guideline, by the way, also discusses balance with the article; the criticism section must be carefully weighed to be sure that it is not overrepresented in terms of what the reliable sources about that entity actually say.

For general tips, if in spite of your time at Wikipedia this is your first article or you don't feel very confident about writing articles in general, you might want to review Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. You might want to consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.

I hope this helps. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 03:56, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

SpamFilter ISP

I'd like to request a new article to the above software, but as I'm one of the developers, I'm also in a conflict of interest and cannot write it myself.

The software was created by LogSat Software (http://www.logsat.com) in August 2002, and is used by companies and governments to block spam emails before they enter their networks. According to CNET (http://www.download.com/Spam-Filter-ISP/3000-2382_4-10753030.html) there are more than 111,000 downloads for it to-date from that download site alone.

--Ik8sqi (talk) 20:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Ik8sqi. You've got a couple of options here that I know of. You can post it at requested articles, where it may sit for a while...or not. It all depends on the volunteers manning that board and what catches their fancy. The conflict of interest guideline suggests in that case that you might want to propose that somebody write it at the talk page of a relevant article or wikiproject. First article that comes to my mind is E-mail spam. I'm not so sure about the Wikiproject. I don't know if there's something that specifically applies over here or if all of them are even listed there. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 21:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

James E. Cowan 33rd Degree Mason snd Shriner

1.)I, Robert E. Fisher, MSW am the author of the article and grant you permission to publish it. The obituary James E. Cowan of the Salisbury Post Newspaper of Salisbury, Rowan County, N. C. was published April 2, 1962.

2.) I have cited sources, such as, my mother and daughter of J. E. Cowan, Catherine Cowan Ross 7401 Walker Mill Rd. Capitol Heights, MD, a primary source. I myself am the eldest grandchild of J. E. Cowan, and a primary source: 1777 Church Avenue#192 Highland, CA.

3.) The significance of this article is self evident throughout the text. Should you have problems understanding it, then, You are a bigot!!!

(Removing text from this url. Copy & paste. 75.83.52.82 (talk) 04:57, 14 January 2008

Hi, 75.83.52.82, and welcome to Wikipedia. I've cut the above text but left the url of its source. Copyright policy forbids us to use sentences taken directly from other sources in any space, including discussion boards. The page on which that information appears carries a notice of "All rights reserved". Nevertheless, I've read it, and anyone who reads the board can access it at its original site. :)

In order to create an article about that person, you'll need to be able to assert notability per Wikipedia's notability guidelines on biographies, which will mean utilizing reliable secondary sources, like newspaper articles. The sources mentioned in the text you copied here are not sufficiently cited. For example, "The Salisbury Post newspaper obituary for James Edward Cowan." does not give us any indication of date or location. An article on this individual has already been deleted, in October of 2007, for not asserting significance under that notability guideline. Adequate sourcing will help.

If you are able to assemble necessary sources, you will either need to register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles, or post it at Wikipedia:Articles for creation, where other editors will review it to be sure it meets policies and, if so, create it for you.

If you choose to create it yourself, Help:Starting a new page should give you all the guidance you need, but you might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. Please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Given your new material, it seems like you might also benefit from reading the original research policy, which might explain why your mother is not an acceptable source on Wikipedia (unless, of course, her memoirs have been published by a reliable source). Given your stated relationship to the individual and your vehemence, you might also like to look over our conflict of interest guideline. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

James E. Cowan

Sources: Are you trying to tell me that the North Carolina Supreme Court Citation, the Archives of the Rowan County GeneralWeb Citation, together with G. B. Witt, Librarian at the Rowan Public Library, do not qualify as legitimate secondary sources?

Are you trying to tell me the the secondary sources, such as, the past grand master of the King Solomon's Lodge A. A. S. R. Masons of the Central Jurisdiction of Salisbury, N. C., Robert Chambers 420 Willow Rd Salisbury, N. C. 28147 1-704-636-6203 does not meet your guidelines as a secondary source; or that Louis Christian 904 Barton Carpenter Rd. Mt. Gilead, N. C. 1-910-439-4090, Lt. Sovereign Grand Commander A.A.S.R. of the Central Jurisdiction does not meet your guidelines as secondary sources? Then you need to go back to school and learn the definition of 75.83.52.82 (talk) 16:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)a secondary source.

Such secondary sources are located throughout the body of the text of the article. should you take care to peruse the artricle! This article is well documented and I take issue with your feedback.

Pleaes reinstate my text or let me speak with your supervisor!!!

Robert E. Fisher, MSW

I don't have a supervisor. The editors of Wikipedia are unpaid volunteers. You are welcome to seek another opinion, although as I am largely the only volunteer currently working the drawing board, you'll probably need to look elsewhere. Good sources for feedback include talk pages of related articles and Wikipedia:WikiProjects. I'll note that you apparently have already in essence received several other opinions, as substantially identical text that was placed in article space was tagged for speedy deletion as not asserting notability by User:Vgranucci on October 20th and accordingly deleted by admin RHaworth. Evidently, you've also discussed the matter with other editors at the Drawing board in the past, at which point you were given substantially similar advice (here), following which the volunteer working the board at that time visited your talk page to explain the function of the drawing board to you. This is a place to request and receive feedback; I have, like the last volunteer who addressed you, given you the best feedback I am able. I'm sorry if you're not satisfied with it. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

You failed to adress my citations oregarding secondary sources that I cited, and cited throughout the body of the text. Are you going to respond? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.52.82 (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I had intended to do so by linking to the original research policy. In that policy, Wikipedia defines its use of the term "primary source". Included among its examples of primary sources are "archeological artifacts; photographs; historical documents such as diaries, census results, video or transcripts of surveillance, public hearings, trials, or interviews; tabulated results of surveys or questionnaires". This also includes "[u]nsourced material obtained from a Wikipedian's personal experience". Eyewitness accounts or unpublished interviews with eyewitnesses would qualify. As I mentioned above, your mother's memoirs (as well as those of other individuals) may be usable if properly published and cited (although even then it might depend on context of publication). The key section from WP:BIO read as follows:

“ A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject.

• If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be needed to prove notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability.
• Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject.

”

(Footnotes removed. Please see the actual document if you'd like to read those.)

The key to establishing notability of any bio is locating "published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject". All of this is explained in more depth in that policy. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment:

1.) Primary Sources regarding notability: I have cited the transcripts from the North Carolina Supreme Court case in 1945, retrieved from the North Carolina Dept. of Archives, dismissing a challenge by the Prince Hall masons to the legitimacy of "Most Worshipful National Grand Lodge of the World." If this is not notability, then you are wrong....

2.) When I was at the UCLA Graduate school of Social Welfare, I was taught that "By Word of Mouth in the oral tradition is an acceptable way to document research, such as, my mother, and aunt have done. This is particularly revelant when Ante Bellum slaves told of their accounts of history. Maybe you need to take a course in research at UCLA.

3.) You continually ignore my citations of past Grand master Robert Chambers, and Louis Christian Lt Sovereign Grand Commander of the A.A.S.R. Masons of the Central Jurisdiction as lgitimate secondary sources.

It does not appear that you are open to correction, but instead, you are closed minded to information appearing before your very eyes.

Again, I demand that you open your eyes to the evidence that I have cited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.52.82 (talk) 23:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I have no other feedback to offer you. I hope you will find more satisfaction at one of the other locations I suggested above. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 00:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, I figured I'd throw my two cents in to this discussion. I was involved in the previous discussion here, I have also gotten several emails from you on the subject. I would like to correct a misapprehension you seem to be operating under: Those of us who volunteer at the Drawing Board have no authority to approve or disapprove of articles- we neither delete articles nor do we create them for you. The only purpose of the Drawing Board is to help editors who want to create articles by giving them advice and feedback, which is what we have done for you. Arguing with us is counterproductive as we are only trying to help you write an article in a form such that it that won't be deleted. Having said that, I have two more pieces of advice to give you in addition to what has already been said:

1. If you wish to contest the deletion of the article, the correct place to appeal to is Deletion review. The caveat I should add, however, is that if the article is substantially similar to what has been posted here, it is unlikely that a review will be successful.
2. If you wish to have a place to work on the article where it isn't likely to be deleted so that it can be brought into line with Wikipedia policies, you should create a work-page for the article as a subpage of your user page. For example User:Bigfish2003/James Edward Cowan is a link to such a subpage of your user page, you will need to log in to create the page. Then you will be able to solicit requests for feedback from more experienced editors to help you address issues with the article. When (and if) the article is re-worked such that it is unlikely to be deleted, it can then simply be moved into the mainspace.

I completely understand that the policies and guidelines at our encyclopedia can appear downright Byzantine to a newer editor. Please understand that we really are here to help you. I hope that my comments have been helpful. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:30, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Damien Morgan

Born Oswald Damien Morgan, he also goes by the pseudonym Lil D. He was born on the 27th February 1982. Damien was born and raised in the city of Birmingham and has lived there all his life. Damien has grown up in various places of the city such as Aston, Hockley, Handsworth, and Smethwick and now resides in West Bromwich. What people will tell you about Damien is that he has a passion and a talent for being extremely creative and has been from a very young age. He has always been interested in the arts in someway and from a very young age he could draw and write stories and poetry. He also liked to perform on stage and tried his hand at being in a rap group. All of these experiences instilled within him the desire to pursue his creativity into various fields, hence the creation of his brand new book.

Damien has always been a fan of music and Hip Hop became a cultural following to him. After attending Aston Manor School in Aston, Damien went to college to study Media and Video Production. After completing this course, he then went onto University in 2001, where he studied Film, Video Production and Drama. He graduated in 2004.

In 2005, Damien created his own business in called Dynamexx Enterprise with the intention to create a variety of activities involving his creative outlook on film production, creative writing and music etc. Since developing his business he has interviewed some of the top music artists and professional characters in the industry.

Damien has recently written a book called “Hip Hop had a Dream” which will be in stores in 2008 and looks as if it will be a great success, making Damien one of the most promising young writers for 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Damien morgan (talk • contribs) 07:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Damien morgan. It's difficult to judge from the above whether the subject could currently assert notability per Wikipedia's notability guidelines on biographies or not; it would likely depend on the breadth and quality of the reliable sources available to verify assertions. Who says the book looks as it will be a great success and that Morgan will be one of the most promising writers of 2008? If it's somebody substantial, like The New York Times, it should be usable. If it can't be attributed to anyone, it can't be used; Wikipedia has policies regarding neutrality and original research.

One big concern with your creating such an article is that your username strongly lends to the conclusion that you have a potential conflict of interest, since it would suggest that either you are the individual in question or are closely connected to him.

If the former, creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you create such an article, it might be listed on articles for deletion. Deletion is not certain, but many feel strongly that you should not start articles about yourself. This is because independent creation encourages independent validation of both significance and verifiability. Also, if you are not currently "notable" under Wikipedia guidelines, creating an article about yourself may violate the policy that Wikipedia is not a personal webspace provider and would thus qualify for speedy deletion.

If you are closely associated with the subject, there are other options. You can suggest that the article be created at the talk page of a similar article or at a relevant WikiProject. You can also list the article at requested articles where other editors may select it to create for you.

If you do choose to create it yourself, once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Help:Starting a new page should give you all the guidance you need, but you might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. Please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.

An article of this sort would be covered by Wikipedia's guidelines on "biographies of living persons", which in part urges editors to be extremely careful not to include any information that isn't sourced, even if it's true, and also reminds us that biographies particularly must be written from a neutral point of view. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Living Persons? James Edward Cowan is deceased. He died Febrary 2, 1962. This is at the top of the article. Your citations are invalid relative to living persons and notabilty. You are a piss poor editor, because you fail to read manuscripts relying instead too heavily on previous editor's comments, and you use Wikipedia guidelines, which do not apply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.52.82 (talk) 06:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

You are reading the section on Damien Morgan, who was born in 27 February 1982 and is evidently still quite alive, since he seems to have placed it here. The feedback I left you is under James E. Cowan 33rd Degree Mason and Shriner. I should probably be clear, in case I was not above, that I don't intend to respond to your comments any further. I would suggest that if you do ask for other opinions elsewhere you remember to approach your conversation with civility in spite of differences of opinion. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Dalehurst, Alberta

Location, Population, Transportation, Hinton train collision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.88.243 (talk) 18:14, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia.

The first step of creating an article is generally registering for an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. If you don't want to do that, you don't have to; you can write the article and post it at Wikipedia:Articles for creation, where other editors will review it to be sure it meets policies and, if it does, create it for you.

After that, you'd search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. (I don't see one.) Help:Starting a new page should give you all the guidance you need, but you might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. Please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.

On specifics, I'm not familiar with Dalehurst, but you can get an idea of the sorts of elements that go into pages created on localities by taking a look at Hinton, Alberta. Note that you don't have to make your article as complete as that one to begin it. :) If you want additional feedback from editors familiar with Alberta, you can probably find them at Wikipedia:WikiProject Alberta. You can leave questions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Alberta. (Please remember to sign your notes by typing four tildes (~~~~), which will expand into your ip address or registered name & the date.) I'll warn you that some wikiprojects get very quiet; you may have to wait a while for a response! If you need a quicker answer on a general issue, you can always head over to the help desk. Generally, somebody will leave an answer for you there within a couple of hours; sometimes within minutes.

When you're all finished, please take a moment to go to the talk page and leave the following template: {{WikiProject Canada|ab=yes|class=|importance=}}. This will alert other editors interested in topics related to Canada and Alberta know that the new articles exists and perhaps bring others to contribute to it. :)

If you'd like more information about any of this, please feel free to leave a note here. Otherwise, good luck and happy editing. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Richard Americk Wesh Cartographer gave his name to America.

Richard Americk

He had a whole continent named after him: America! He was wholly Welsh , surname Ap Meurig. In 1491 He was working as the senior customs official in Bristol and regularly sent supplies to ships in the fishing grounds off Newfoundland. In 1497 he authorised John Cabot to search for the new land. It was his name that appeared on the top of the maps. Unless you were Royalty, a person's first name was never given to name a new land. For common mortals the surname was used. That argues effectively against Amerigo Vespucci for whom no direct evidence seems to be forthcoming.

Discuss please! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chazwin (talk • contribs) 23:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe the article is already written at Richard Amerike, and the theory of the naming of the continents is also covered in the Americas article. Feel free to help out at either of those articles! Cheers! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 00:03, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Harley Matthew Ross

Harley Ross of Richmond BC Canada made headlines today. The former owner of the Multi Million dollar company MD digital, Sold his company for a staggering 87 Million dollars.. We tryed to reach Harley for a comment, but his girlfriend told us he was in Texas looking at land. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.88.215 (talk) 08:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, and Welcome to Wikipedia! :) In order to create an article about that person, you'll need to be able to assert notability per Wikipedia's notability guidelines on biographies, which will mean utilizing reliable secondary sources, like newspaper articles. If he's made headlines, that should be easier. You'll want to be sure that your article covers more than simply this one event. If all of the coverage on this individual addresses one incident, it might be more appropriate for Wikinews than Wikipedia. :)

An article of this sort would be covered by Wikipedia's guidelines on "biographies of living persons", which in part urges editors to be extremely careful not to include any information that isn't sourced, even if it's true, and also reminds us that biographies particularly must be written from a neutral point of view.

If you are able to assemble necessary sources and if your subject meets the notability requirements, you may choose to create the article yourself, although if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends that you discuss your article first, perhaps at the talk page of a related article or at the relevant WikiProject.

If you do wish to create the article, you will either need to register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles, or post it at Wikipedia:Articles for creation, where other editors will review it to be sure it meets policies and, if so, create it for you.

If you choose to create it yourself, once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Help:Starting a new page should give you all the guidance you need, but you might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. Please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

list of American poets

My name is Sheryl Noethe and I am a published, anthologized, prize-winning poet of national status. My text, Poetry Everywhere, was voted the best book on teaching poetry by the National Educators of English and my collection, The Ghost Openings, won the William Stafford Prize for best poetry collection published in 2000. I have published four books, the fifth is on the way, and I belong in your list of American Poets. Google me if you'd like, and see that I deserve to be on that list! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.14.241.227 (talk) 23:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello Ms. Noethe, thank you for writing. Winning national awards and getting major critical acclaim would likely qualify you for an article under the relevant notability guideline. I also applaud you for not engaging in a conflict of interest by creating an article yourself. While there are mechanisms in place for people to request an article or to submit already written articles for creation, I think you will probably have the most luck addressing the participants of the WikiProject Poetry collaborative project. Just go to their talk page and add a new section by pressing the "+" tab at the top of the page. Tell them about yourself and if you can also include some citations from secondary sources that are also reliable to verify what you're telling them, that would make their job much easier. Thanks again for writing and feel free to stop back with any more questions!—Elipongo (Talk contribs) 01:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Prescot Street excavation / community outreach

I am currently working on a community outreach project linked to an archaeological excavation taking place in the east end of London. The site is in the area of the East London Roman Cemetery, and Roman burials have been found during the evaluation in 2006. There are currently no articles on the East London Roman Cemetery, few on community outreach projects and a wikipedia page would be a perfect opportunity to expand the encyclopedia on those two topics at least. Any feedback appreciated. Lornarichardson (talk) 17:20, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello and thanks for your post! I do think that the East End of London article would benefit from the addition of a Roman period sub-section to its History section. I am sceptical whether either the excavation or the outreach program would meet the notability guideline for inclusion as a Wikipedia article. There are many thousands of scientific research projects and Science outreach programs around the globe, and unless there is something extraordinary about a particular one, it's unlikely that any particular project will merit coverage in the encyclopedia. As I mentioned above, I do think that material can, and probably should, be added to the East End of London article. Another article you might think about improving is the Roman funerals and burial article. Whenever adding any information to Wikipedia, make sure to verify that information by including citations from secondary reliable sources, most preferably in the form of footnotes. Thanks for your post, and I hope you found my advice helpful. Please feel free to write again with any more questions you may have. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 18:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Black earl song by sleeves

There should be a page talking about Sleeves from the Ron and Fez show's song about black earl and how he's a lazy bum, etc.

64.61.84.49 (talk) 16:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for writing! Usually something like this is best started as a section of a main article, in this case the Ron and Fez article. I just checked there and I didn't find any mention of "Sleeves", so a mention there would be appropriate. When you do add the information, remember to verify it by including a citation from a reliable source, preferably a secondary source. If and when the section "outgrows" the main article, it can be split off as an independent article at that time. Being able to start a new article is one of many reasons you may wish to create an account. Thanks again for writing, and I hope you have found my advice useful. Feel free to write again with any more questions you may have. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 17:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

will do that when i have a chance. :) thanks :)

64.61.84.49 (talk) 19:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC) dovy6

Gentners Commsission Market

With the editing of the Springville, New York page, i've realised that the "Gentners Commsission Market" is too large of a business to just mention in the springville article, so i've decided to create an article specifically on it. Documentaries such as "shoot the moon" and articles in The New York Times give lots of opinions and some information, but not nearly enough to be consiterd an encyclopidic reference.

The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/25/nyregion/25auction.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike716 (talk • contribs) 04:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. :) That seems like a pretty good source there to start with. I'm not sure what specific feedback you're looking for here; so I'll toss a variety of things out, and if I miss it, please let me know. :) Articles about organizations are governed by the notability guidelines on companies, and with a profile in the NYT and a documentary about it this one would seem to be notable to me. If you're looking for additional sources, I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to help. I did a google search, and I didn't come up with anything except the above. I did find a brief description of "Shoot the Moon" here. There's a tiny bit of information about the market in it. It can't be duplicated word for word, of course, for copyright reasons, but it might help with some basic facts.

If your concern is that you don't have enough information to make a detailed article, that isn't necessarily a problem. You can read through Wikipedia:Stub to get an idea of minimal requirements of articles; as long as you provide enough information that context is clear and offer the NYT article and reference the fact that it is the subject of an award-winning documentary, the stub should be sufficient for other editors to expand on.

In terms of actually writing the article, Help:Starting a new page should give you all the guidance you need, but you might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. The Wikipedia:Tutorial can advise how to properly format the article before creation. Don't worry if you can't master all the intricacies on your first go and if your baby article is tagged for improvements. If you don't know how to make suggested improvements, somebody else eventually will. And if you want to give it a shot but can't figure it out, you can always ask for assistance at the help desk. Remember to "sign" your comments on boards and talk pages with four tildes (~~~~) so that other editors know who they're talking to. :) Good luck, and happy editing! --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:19, 26 January 2008 (UTC)