Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Avengers films/archive1
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The Avengers are a team of fictional superheroes and the protagonists of the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) media franchise, based on the Marvel Comics team of the same name created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in 1963. Founded by S.H.I.E.L.D. Director Nick Fury, the team is a United States-based organization composed primarily of superpowered and gifted individuals, described as "Earth's Mightiest Heroes", who are committed to the world's protection from a variety of threats. Initially arranged as an ensemble of core MCU characters consisting of Tony Stark / Iron Man, Steve Rogers / Captain America, Thor, Bruce Banner / Hulk, Natasha Romanoff / Black Widow, and Clint Barton / Hawkeye, and later expanding to 16 members. The Avengers are central to the MCU's first 23 films, collectively known as the "Infinity Saga", which included four Avengers films: The Avengers (2012), Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015), Avengers: Infinity War (2018), and Avengers: Endgame (2019). The franchise is the sixth highest-grossing film series of all-time, grossing more than US$7.7 billion at the worldwide box office. The Avengers are set to return in Avengers 5 (2026) and Avengers: Secret Wars (2027). Both will be part of the MCU's Phase Six, concluding the "Multiverse Saga".
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The Avengers is the biggest franchise within the MCU, so it felt like after four films, and two more announced, it was past time to make a GT of some sort. Due to there not being an article dedicated only to the Avengers franchise, making Avengers the lead article was the next best option. As a result, the accolades are included as they encompass the films and the actors/individual characters. -- ZooBlazer 00:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment – Avengers (Marvel Cinematic Universe) should be a topic because it is a notable franchise. However, I think the collection of articles is incomplete; for example, there are articles covering the soundtracks and box office records which aren't included and are fundamental to the completeness of the films mentioned. Instead, I'd like to suggest that this topic include only the four current Avengers films, and that each film have a respective subtopic. For example, the Avengers: Infinity War subtopic would include its accolades, box office records, soundtrack and production. These subtopics can also be noted on the phase topics as well. This way, every article concerning the topic is covered and we still get an Avengers topic. Let me know if this doesn't make sense. Idiosincrático (talk) 05:17, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- The soundtracks wouldn't make sense here as the scope is more about the team (which is what the lead article is) since it can't be entirely about the films without a dedicated article. The soundtracks have nothing to do with the team/characters. Subtopics could maybe work, but just an FYI, from what I've heard, the box office records lists are frowned upon at FLC, so they could likely ruin some topics since they probably will never get promoted. -- ZooBlazer 05:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- If the Avengers (MCU) article is about the fictional superheroes and protagonists (like the lead says), should this topic not instead list the roster of characters within the team; ie. Tony Stark, Thor etc? I get that "the Avengers is the biggest franchise within the MCU", but there is no article about the 'Avengers film franchise'; Avengers (film series) redirects to List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films. Topics like Marvel Cinematic Universe Phase One films, in my opinion, are more than enough coverage for the film series alone. Instead, sub-topics for each individual film is more appropriate. These said sub-topics should include both the soundtracks and any respective box office list/article; a topic constitutes a complete grouping of every article/list related to the lead article (so long as the article/list exists). The reason why the box office records lists are unpopular is because they're not encyclopaedic and content-forking, this was discussed here with no consensus to delete in 2018. This was done at the time of film release, a nomination to delete or merge now would be probably be more successful. Idiosincrático (talk) 06:50, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think I will narrow this down to just the films as you suggested above. -- ZooBlazer 07:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think Idiosincrático is right that the Avengers character article should probably by part of a character topic with the individual character articles. I don't think it makes sense to treat it like an Avengers film franchise topic. These films all fit well in the Phase topics that we are already planning. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think I will narrow this down to just the films as you suggested above. -- ZooBlazer 07:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- If the Avengers (MCU) article is about the fictional superheroes and protagonists (like the lead says), should this topic not instead list the roster of characters within the team; ie. Tony Stark, Thor etc? I get that "the Avengers is the biggest franchise within the MCU", but there is no article about the 'Avengers film franchise'; Avengers (film series) redirects to List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films. Topics like Marvel Cinematic Universe Phase One films, in my opinion, are more than enough coverage for the film series alone. Instead, sub-topics for each individual film is more appropriate. These said sub-topics should include both the soundtracks and any respective box office list/article; a topic constitutes a complete grouping of every article/list related to the lead article (so long as the article/list exists). The reason why the box office records lists are unpopular is because they're not encyclopaedic and content-forking, this was discussed here with no consensus to delete in 2018. This was done at the time of film release, a nomination to delete or merge now would be probably be more successful. Idiosincrático (talk) 06:50, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- The soundtracks wouldn't make sense here as the scope is more about the team (which is what the lead article is) since it can't be entirely about the films without a dedicated article. The soundtracks have nothing to do with the team/characters. Subtopics could maybe work, but just an FYI, from what I've heard, the box office records lists are frowned upon at FLC, so they could likely ruin some topics since they probably will never get promoted. -- ZooBlazer 05:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support nice effort. And given that somehow there are a lot of separate articles for the MCU incarnations of the characters, the top article can even be used if there's ever an "MCU Avengers members" topic. igordebraga ≠ 18:46, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support on the narrowed down GT of including the Avengers films only. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support I see the above suggestions have been implemented and it meets all the necessary criteria for inclusion. -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 02:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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