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Devil May Cry titles

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Devil May Cry (series)	Devil May Cry · Devil May Cry 2 · Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening · Devil May Cry 4

Renominating an old Featured Topic. Gary King (talk) 21:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Good job on getting Devil May Cry 4 to GA. Zginder 2008-07-13T21:43Z (UTC)
- Clarifying since this is the same topic that was featured before, with an additional article for completeness, to require more would be changing the criteria without changing the words. Z gin der 2008-07-14T17:56Z (UTC)

Comment—I'm not sure about this. What's the topic definition? Why is Music of Devil May Cry not included? Pagra shtak 22:51, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is for the game series. Characters is the characters in the game; music is outside of the game universe. Just like the novels, manga, and anime are their own separate mediums. Gary King (talk) 23:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't it the music from the game, though? Is your argument that it's not in-universe, i.e. the characters don't hear the music, we do? Pagra shtak 00:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty much. If there was a "Weapons from Devil May Cry" list, then that should be included, for instance. Gary King (talk) 00:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not entirely convinced, as the music is part of the games. This is a bit silly, but couldn't one argue that the video game Devil May Cry doesn't exist in the game universe and shouldn't be included in the topic? Instead of a real/fictional division, I'd rather see game/non-game. If you had just the game articles, I think that would be a definite yes, and if you had games, characters, and music that would also be a yes (if music was GA, of course). Pagra shtak 13:53, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So then do you think only Characters should be removed, or Dante as well? Gary King (talk) 17:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Both. Dante without the character article would be worse. Pagra shtak 01:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oook done Gary King (talk) 01:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Supporting below. Pagra shtak 15:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I'm a bit iffy about that definition that excludes music, because while I see what you're saying, I feel more strongly that in-universe or not, as the music still forms part of the game series, then it should be included (unlike the novels/manga/anime which are completely separate works). I don't feel strongly enough to oppose, however, so I'll just abstain from voting - rst20xx (talk) 13:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Perhaps the controversy would dissipate if we removed the characters article,so this would be only the games of DMC. Then later, do a supplimentary addition when the music, characters, and any other DMC articles are ready to be added. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments above this were made when Characters in Devil May Cry and Dante (Devil May Cry) were included in the nomination and may not reflect a statement on the current proposed topic. Pagra shtak 15:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~ as per my understanding of the criteria and per the discussion below at NIN. If, however, I were to IAR and vote for what I felt should be a featured topic this would be one... personally, I'm for a looser version of the criteria but that's a discussion for another time and place. gren グレン 09:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I said the above based on my reading of the criteria which I think have serious problems. I think we could do them in a better way with "inclusive" featured topics and "enough articles" featured topics or something. I think the series implies the characters and everything in the series... not just the game articles but I think that makes it overly restrictive. So, I don't like the criteria but I don't think this fits them how they are written now. But, I won't vote on this. gren グレン 00:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well do you think it meets the criteria now it's been renamed? rst20xx (talk) 15:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support This topic defined as "Devil May Cry video games" and with no Dante and Characters article is definitely comprehensive. You could perhaps rename the topic (not the main article) "Devil May Cry video games" to clarify, but I think it does meet the criteria anyway. It's not the first topic of this kind to be nominated (The Legend of Zelda, etc.) so I don't see what this one has that is different than the others. Kariteh (talk) 11:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support now that the topic's new definition clearly doesn't exclude any articles. Pagra shtak 15:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - ignore what's going on below, that one's failing when it shouldn't be. Though I wouldn't oppose a rename, but can we make it to "Devil May Cry titles" for consistency with the Zelda topic? - rst20xx (talk) 23:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, done; it was series before the articles were removed but it's titles now; more appropriate. Gary King (talk) 00:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Good. DMC4 is now GA'd. --haha169 (talk) 23:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Important Comment - Game #1 and #2 have 3 dead external links each, while #3 has 2. Please fix them. The dead links can be found here. Oddly, the two GA articles have no dead links at all. --haha169 (talk) 00:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  They should be fixed now. Gary King (talk) 01:07, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  According to my link, its still there ([1]). Perhaps there is a delay. I'll check back in a bit to see. ...Why'd you change all the accessdates, [2]? --haha169 (talk) 01:19, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  It's all automated by the link checker tool; it changes the access dates automatically when it reaches the links successfully. Gary King (talk) 01:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  Did you check the archives you added to Devil May Cry? One doesn't load for me and the other doesn't support the statement. Pagra shtak 15:10, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  Replaced Gary King (talk) 16:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support though you didn't have to remove Dante and the characters. igordebraga ≠ 21:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support In my opinion, the omission of the music is acceptable as the topic's name is Devil May Cry titles, not All Devil May Cry Related Articles TALKIN PIE EATER REVIEW ME 21:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It wasn't when we were discussing that. Pagra shtak 01:12, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Close as consensus to promote --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 23:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]