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Metroid Prime trilogy

Metroid Prime

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Metroid Prime 2: Echoes

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

After slowly bringing Metroid Prime 3: Corruption and then Metroid Prime 2: Echoes to FA status, I now present to you the Metroid Prime trilogy. The articles included in this topic were chosen after this discussion, and Metroid Prime, the topic's lead article, mentions the other two articles in Metroid Prime#Legacy. Gary King (talk) 01:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support and Comment: Seeing as we already have Metroid (series) at GA, would it be more suitable to make this the "Metroid series" instead? Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 01:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Too many articles that aren't at GA and FA yet, including most of the Metroid games. Gary King (talk) 01:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mm, thought so; I wasn't for or against the idea. On the subject of the image, though, wouldn't a screenshot of the first-person gameplay of the series be more appropriate for this than an image of Retro's offices? Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 01:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Only free images can be used for topic boxes. This is a free image; gameplay images are not. Gary King (talk) 02:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I see; the current image still doesn't, in my opinion, though, describe the series very well, though there doesn't seem to be anything better. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 03:20, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A photo of someone in a Samus costume would be a very nice image for this tpoic. Gary King (talk) 03:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This topic reminds me a lot of the Half-Life 2 episodes nomination. That nomination failed largely because it tried to create an unnatural feeling topic scope to leave out Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, Half-Life 2: Survivor, and Codename: Gordon. This topic seems to be attempting to do the same thing by restricting this to the trilogy instead of making it a Metroid Prime titles topic to leave out Metroid Prime Pinball and Metroid Prime Hunters. When the Half-Life 2 nomination went down it came back with the left out titles included and was a much stronger topic. I really don't like the idea of being influenced by precedent, but it's hard for me to ignore how much better the Half-Life 2 topic became. Rreagan007 (talk) 02:20, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This was already brought up at Wikipedia_talk:Featured_topic_candidates#Metroid_Prime_topic; this wasn't originally the topic that I wanted to build, but it was the one that we concluded on after discussing about it. Gary King (talk) 02:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Z gin der 2008-12-14T03:26Z (UTC)
Weak support with some comments - firstly, to address Rreagan007's point - look at the "Halo trilogy" topic, this operates along similar lines. Part of the problem with the "Half-Life 2 episodes" topic was the excessive overlap with the existing "Orange Box" topic, and obviously there are no similar overlap problems here with Metroid Prime - rst20xx (talk) 14:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Secondly, as for why I weak support - I think I would prefer Metroid (series) to be the main article, rather than Metroid Prime, as while this proposed topic doesn't cover the entire scope of the Metroid (series) article, there isn't a rule to say that the entire scope of the main article has to be covered by the topic, just that the entire scope of the topic must be covered, and I feel Metroid (series) would be a better fit for covering the scope of the topic than Metroid Prime. What does everyone else think? rst20xx (talk) 14:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Metroid (series) would be a better main article for the topic. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose: There are not that many Metroid articles and there is no lead page in this nomination. –thedemonhog talk • edits 19:41, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The lead is Metroid Prime, and it discusses the other games in Metroid_Prime#Legacy. Gary King (talk) 19:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Minor Support as I helped bring these articles to FA status, and a full-fledged Metroid Good/Featured Topic will be difficult to achieve. For the image... well, I put that Metroid logo up there instead of the Retro studios photo, though it could fit more after making an static version (and there's an alternative). igordebraga ≠ 22:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: While I agree these article are of excellent quality and deserved to be featured, the topic scope seems mismatched to me. The lead article should be a good overview of the whole topic. In this case, it seems more like an introductory article to the topic. I realize the Halo trilogy topic is of a similar structure, but it's lead article frames the other sub-articles in the context of the whole topic. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 22:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC))[reply]
What do you think about using Metroid (series) as the topic's lead article? Gary King (talk) 23:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, I think that is also a miss match of scope as the Metroid series encompasses more than the Prime trilogy. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 23:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC))[reply]
How about a Metroid Prime (series)? Gary King (talk) 23:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That would make a better lead article, but I think Metroid Prime Hunters should be included so there are no gaps. The Pinball game is a remake that doesn't add anything to the topic, so I don't think it's necessary. Also, what would happen if the rest of the Metroid articles improve and a full topic is possible? Would it be adsorbed into it? (Guyinblack25 ^talk 04:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC))[reply]
I'd rather that we do Metroid Prime sub-series, and include a potential Metroid Prime (series), Metroid Prime Hunters, and Metroid Prime Pinball. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 04:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All interesting suggestions, and I'm open to doing something different. However, is there one that most of us can agree on? I think that this makes sense; please comment on what you guys think:

Main page	Articles
Metroid Prime (series)	Metroid Prime · Metroid Prime 2: Echoes · Metroid Prime 3: Corruption · Metroid Prime Hunters

A better lead article appears to be desired
Hunters has been included because some consider it to be a vital part of the storyline
Pinball was not included; it was only suggested by User:New Age Retro Hippie and suggested to not be included by a few others because it does not follow with the series' storyline

Thoughts on that? Gary King (talk) 16:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That seems more reasonable to me. But with a series article non-existent and Hunters rated C-class, it might be best to withdraw the nomination for now. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Yeah, I don't plan on keeping this nomination open if we are changing the topic's scope. However, I'd still like more feedback on a new setup before closing this nomination. And perhaps more feedback from uninvolved parties to the current setup. Gary King (talk) 17:11, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I still want Metroid Prime Pinball in, as it's a pinball remake of Metroid Prime (using areas and plot points from it). - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:19, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see it being a good supplement, but I don't see how it adds much to the topic. You pretty much summed it up in a single sentence, and Metroid Prime already mentions it in such a capacity. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 20:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Yeah, I don't know how much I would be able to cover Pinball in Metroid Prime (series). I don't think there would be much on it to relate it back to the whole series. Gary King (talk) 20:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As per the prior discussion at WT:FTC#Metroid Prime topic, I think Pinball should be included, if Hunters is to be included (once again, plot concerns are subjective). No-one's said they'd oppose if Pinball would be included, just that they think it would be fine without. Conversely, this makes two of us saying we'd oppose if it is excluded. Sorry.

Also, ask yourself honestly, would you be creating Metroid Prime (series) because you feel there is a genuine need for this article, or because it would be easier to get Metroid Prime (series) to GA than all the other already-existent Metroid articles? Because if it's the latter, then I don't think you should make the new article - rst20xx (talk) 20:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Metroid Prime is an official series, per pages like this, and a few times when Nintendo mentions it as a new series in press releases. Gary King (talk) 20:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn following request from nominator - rst20xx (talk) 22:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]