Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Off-season Atlantic hurricanes/addition1

Off-season Atlantic hurricanes (1st supplementary nomination)

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This topic is already featured. It is being re-nominated to add additional items. See Wikipedia talk:Featured topics/Off-season Atlantic hurricanes for discussions of the topic's previous nominations. The additional items are:

  1. Tropical Storm Beryl (2012)

Tropical Storm Beryl, which formed in May of last year, now is a good article, and should be added to the topic. Hope you enjoy it. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 06:27, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose since we're doing this anyway, a few articles could theoretically get merged, such as 1978 January subtropical storm and 1992 April subtropical storm. Just pointing this out while we already have this supplementary nomination going. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:36, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments main list needs to be brought up to modern FL standards to prevent it (and hence, any potential good/featured topic) being delisted. To whit:

  • Retrieval dates should be consistently formatted.

Of course, I understand the good topic concept just groups together pages with a "good article" or "featured article/list" tag, but when grouping them under a featured list which is way below our current standards, I think we should, at the very least, update the main article of the topic to ensure it's not delisted in the next few weeks for failing to meet current standards. Much better address these comments than go through WP:FLRC.... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:22, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also have concerns over whether Tropical Storm Odette (2003) meets the GA standards now, the last 11 references are poorly formatted and need to be made consistent with those that are nicely dealt with beforehand. Also a shame that Template:Off-season Atlantic hurricanes fails WP:ACCESS by using just colours to distinguish between preseason/postseason etc... I also note that using things like {{Atlantic hurricane best track}} ends with inconsistent accessdate formats, which is probably okay for the plain GAs, but not for featured articles. That should also be fixed. Similarly, {{Hurdat}} seems to be putting different formats from most articles, fine for the average GA but not for featured stuff.... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Odette's refs should be good now. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:50, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Quick question on the "inflated" damage figures in the main featured list... where is the evidence for those figures please? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia's Inflation template. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:53, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That should be explained in the lead. There's no clue for any reader how the inflated costs have been calculated whatsoever unless you look at the code. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's that big of a deal, actually. It's just inflated values. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:29, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You don't think that values (or the way in which they're determined) in a featured list should be referenced? Wow. About time you tried another WP:FLC......!!!! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
IDK, I didn't think for a widely used Wikipedia template. However, that gets me to a broader question. Is the inflated number even worth having? Do you think it's preferable to have the original number? The hurricane project has generally gotten rid of inflated numbers. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:18, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please also note I've only just realised the topic is already featured. Well if the issues with the main article, the featured list List of off-season Atlantic hurricanes aren't resolved here, then I'll have to take it to WP:FLRC as right now, it's not meeting our expectations for a featured list. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:18, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I believe everything is done, with the possible exception of your first comment about table access (and the template, which is discussed elsewhere). --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:31, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, much improved, at a quick glance, the name column for the hurricanes does not sort correctly however. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:53, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That column is sorted by overall storms, in order. Is that allowed? BTW, thanks a lot for your review! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:03, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome, I appreciate you addressing the concerns. The name column, I would expect to sort alphanumerically.... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:02, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So, what should be the order between the numbered storms, the unnamed storms, and the named storms? And mind you, the numbered storms weren't really numbered as such. It's just the number they have in the database. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:12, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Numerical order, as that is logically what the reader would expect. Unnamed could either sort as ZZZ i.e. last or as "Unnamed". Still also concerned over the use of that HURDAT template which (in this case) provides inconsistent accessdates. Can the template be updated to define the format of the accessdate? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:33, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I defined the sorting order for the naming column to be in the order of which one formed first, which makes sense since you dont have any other columns doing that job or putting the columns back in the original order.Jason Rees (talk) 18:12, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
But that's because, for some reason, the list has the year in a different column from the dates. You could always use a hidden sort template, but I wouldn't recommend the "Year" is separated from the rest of the date. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:16, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I support this nomination and I believe that it is fine the way it currently is.--12george1 (talk) 18:43, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]