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1957 NCAA University Division Basketball Championship Game

Nominator(s): Disc Wheel (T + C) 02:29, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is about the 1957 NCAA national championship game where an undefeated North Carolina played the Kansas Jayhawks led by Wilt Chamberlain in a Triple Overtime affair. The game was one of the first to be broadcast in NC too. Pretty cool stuff, might I say. Disc Wheel (T + C) 02:29, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support from John M Wolfson

I support the promotion of this article, having seen only minor issues that I took the liberty of correcting myself. ~~I do wonder why File:Frank McGuire.jpg is commented out, however. Given that it appears to be appropriately licensed, it should either be in the article or not.~~ – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your help, I don't know who commented that out, but I have replaced the photo a little later in the article. Disc Wheel (T + C) 16:10, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good! – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 16:28, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

File:Wilt_Chamberlain3.jpg should include a tag for the original work. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:09, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I added the Library of Congress link to the original photo from which this was Photoshopped into color from. Is that what you were referring to? Please forgive me, images and their copyrights are quite confusing for me Disc Wheel (T + C) 18:24, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The image currently has a Creative Commons tag, but that licensing applies to the colorization, not the original - a tag should be added on Commons that reflects the copyright status of the source image. Does that make sense? Nikkimaria (talk) 20:05, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha, now I think added the appropriate tag. Disc Wheel (T + C) 20:17, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done

Don't use pseudoheadings

FN3: while this date is mentioned in the text, the publication date appears to be much more recent

Use a consistent date format

Don't duplicate work and publisher fields

FN19 is missing page number

FN21 should be formatted as a range

FN23 has the wrong agency and is missing page number

NCAA is not a work

Be consistent in whether you include locations for newspapers

~~Stopping here and oppose pending significant cleanup of citation format. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:05, 19 August 2019 (UTC)~~[reply]

Will get to these later today or tomorrow. Disc Wheel (T + C) 12:49, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Got em all done. Disc Wheel (T + C) 13:42, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest you take a look through the documentation for some of the templates you're using though - for example {{cite news}} specifically mentions omitting publisher for the NYT. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:53, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Believe I have cleaned up based on your comments as well as changing the cite template for a couple. Disc Wheel (T + C) 15:33, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing:

The functionality of {{subscription required}} is available as parameters within the various cite templates, so you could replace these with those. Alternatively, if you choose to keep using a separate template, it should not be embedded ------ Done Disc Wheel (T + C) 22:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You've got some dead links with |deadurl=no - should be switched to yes ----- Fixed a couple with new links, two were made "yes" dead urls Disc Wheel (T + C) 16:18, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FN9: the current publisher should be listed as the work ------ Done Disc Wheel (T + C) 22:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FN9: date doesn't match source ------ Done Disc Wheel (T + C) 22:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What makes HoopsZone a high-quality reliable source? ---- Found appropriate sources in its place. Disc Wheel (T + C) 22:48, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FN21: this is page 2 of part 2 - that should be specified ------ Done Disc Wheel (T + C) 22:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FN23: page doesn't match source ------ Done Disc Wheel (T + C) 22:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FN17 and 41 appear to be the same, same with 8 and 39, check for others

I ran out of time on my little stint now, but 17 and 41 are for different pages of the NYT article, its split on pages 1 and 2, what do you recommend? While the Sports illustrated (8 and 39) have the same issue as its an online publishing of the article and each page is technically a different link. Disc Wheel (T + C) 22:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FN74 has author name inverted while most refs do not ------ Done Disc Wheel (T + C) 22:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FN74: use a permalink instead of the current link, and format single page rather than pp ------ Done Disc Wheel (T + C) 21:46, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FN77 has the same issue with the URL choice, and INS is an agency not an author ------ Done Disc Wheel (T + C) 21:46, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FN86: don't duplicate agency as author ------ Done Disc Wheel (T + C) 22:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FN87: use p not pp. Same with FN92, check for others ------ Done Disc Wheel (T + C) 22:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FN94 should use endash not hyphen ------ Done Disc Wheel (T + C) 22:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Be consistent in whether you include locations for books and if so whether you include states in US locations ------ Done Disc Wheel (T + C) 22:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fulks is credited as the book editor, not author. Are you citing the specific chapter linked to? If so, citation should reflect that ----- Done Disc Wheel (T + C) 16:18, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Link for Lucas 2006 book does not work and Worldcat gives a different publisher for that title ----- Done Disc Wheel (T + C) 16:18, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

University of North Carolina Press or The University of North Carolina Press? (----- Done Disc Wheel (T + C) 16:18, 20 August 2019 (UTC)) Nikkimaria (talk) 19:55, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – This is a great topic for an FA in the college basketball space, but unfortunately I think it still needs some copy-editing work by a third party, as I'm seeing little glitches at various places in the article that add up when the article is taken as a whole. Here are some examples of problems I've encountered:

In the lead, the spaced em dashes don't conform to the Manual of Style, so I'd definitely make them unspaced.
"led by Sophomore phenom and First-team All-American Wilt Chamberlain". Not sure why either "Sophomore" or "First" are capitalized here.
"due to poor offensive execution on both teams parts." The second-to-last word should surely be "teams'", with the apostrophe included, or it could just be "due to poor offensive execution by both teams."
Kansas Jayhawks: Sophomore is again capitalized here for some reason.
There is a wikilink for shot clock; the hyphen needs to be removed to turn it from a red link to a blue link.
The lead says there were 70 reporters covering the game, while the Broadcasting section says 63. Which is it?
First half: More dashes need fixing, as in the lead.
Aftermath: One thing I'm seeing throughout the article is that first names are repeated when they really don't need to be. For example, Chamberlain's first name is given twice here. Out of everyone, he was the most famous player involved in this game, so I doubt his first name has to be presented again and again.
Not sure if this was covered in the discussion on source cleanup above, but the titles of refs 17, 43, and 87 have all caps that should be taken out. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:39, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your comments and I fixed all the outlined issues. Disc Wheel (T + C) 14:03, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's great that you fixed the issues specified above, but you really need to seek out a third-party copy-edit here. The listed issues are examples of problems, not a full listing of everything that needs work throughout the article. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:10, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I got you, I've asked for a copy edit from the Copy Editors Guild. Hopefully the process can get started soon. Disc Wheel (T + C) 17:04, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator comment - This has been open for almost a month, and doesn't seem to be heading in the right direction at present. Therefore, I will be archiving it shortly and it may be re-nominated after the customary two-week waiting period. In the mean time, please action feedback as appropriate. --Laser brain (talk) 13:03, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. --Laser brain (talk) 13:03, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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