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2015 World Snooker Championship

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Nominator(s): Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:11, 24 August 2021 (UTC), User:BennyOnTheLoose[reply]

This article is about the 2015 edition of the World Snooker Championship. One of the more unlikely winners of the event (at the time), it was won by Stuart Bingham, who defeated 2005 champion Shaun Murphy in the final. With the scores tied at 15-15, Bingham won the next three to win his first (and to date only) world championship. Both players performed poorly at the event until 2021, when Bingham lost on a deciding frame to Mark Selby in the semi-finals, and Murphy lost to Selby in the final.

I've had a lot of fun times working on this article, I hope you enjoy reading it. Let me know your thoughts.Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:11, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Girth Summit

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Lead
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  • "...professional snooker tournament, that took place..." I don't think the comma is needed there (and GtM will attest that I am generally liberal with my commas), and I think it ought to be 'which' rather than 'that'.
  • "...at the Crucible and this was the final..." Is 'this' needed? Perhaps a comma before 'and'?
  • "...a total of 86 century breaks, a record for the championships and higher than 83 centuries set in 2009." I can see what you're doing here, but I don't think the reader needs to be told that 86 is higher than 83. Consider rewording.
Overview
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  • "...by defeating countryman Ronnie O'Sullivan..." Do you mean fellow countryman?
  • "Defending champion Mark Selby was seeded 1, while other seeded places were allocated based on the latest world rankings." This is repetitive - we were told this exact same information in the paragraph above the prize fund information.
Summary
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  • "Mark Selby, who had led 6–3 and 8–4 against Maflin before his opponent won four consecutive frames narrowly escaped a first-round exit, recovering from 8–9 down to clinch a 10–9 win." I think that at the least you need a comma after 'consecutive' to close the parenthetical relative clause. I'll leave it to your judgment as to whether four X–Y scorelines in a single sentence is difficult for the reader to get their head around.
  • "Ali Carter, back at the Crucible after extensive treatment for cancer," We were told about the cancer two paragraphs ago.
    • Indeed, I've reworded to say more info on this. Previously we mention the cancer to explain why he was playing in the competition, so now I've added that he had missed five months of the season, which explains why he might be rusty or w/e Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:44, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...Selby succumbing to the Crucible curse. Selby was the 16th first-time champion who failed to defend his title since the tournament moved to the Crucible in 1977." Do you think it might be better to reword this a bit, perhaps rearranging the order in which the information is presented? As phrased, it's not explicitly clear what the Crucible Curse is. I'm thinking of something like "McGill won the match 13–9, making Selby the 16th first-time champion who failed to defend his title since the tournament moved to the Crucible in 1977, succumbing to what has become known as the 'Crucible curse'."
  • "...and three from Hawkins, the match again equalled the record for the most centuries in..." Why 'again'?
  • "The final was refereed for the first time by Olivier Marteel..." Is 'for the first time' redundant? (You tell us in the next sentence that it made him the first Belgian to referee a final, so it's safe to assume it was a first for him too).
  • "Bingham came close to a maximum break," Being a bit picky, but the source says that he was on for a maximum break, not that he came close to it.
Footnotes
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That's it from me. Girth Summit (blether) 17:43, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from TRM

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Hi The Rambling Man, sorry for the ping - did you have any comments for me? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:06, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. And yes, of course, I'll bring comments. As you know, I'm working on other things to try to catch up on the 900-point deficit, so everything else is de-prioritised until then. There's a waaaaay to go. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:09, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Here we go, and apologies, this literally did fall off my to-do list.

That's got me to Summary. Again, I do apologise for the delay, I know I said I was working on catching up but this had completely dropped off my list. Ping me when we're done here and I'll do the next couple of sections. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:48, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's up to the QFs. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:52, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi The Rambling Man, looks like mostly the same issues over and over again. I should have looked a bit closer at duplinks. I'll update for the rest of the article. Thanks for taking a look. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:16, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

QFs onward...

  • "and 29 April as the" no comma, vs "and 2 May, as the " comma.
  • "won the title in 2005 with an" overlinked.
  • (previous: "Stevens, who had been defeated.." should be full name and link, and then delink/de-first name next instance).
  • "victory over Matthew Stevens and was" no need for Matthew.
  • "to John Higgins" no Alex here so no need for John.
  • "by Olivier Marteel, from" that article referencing this gives some insight into his previous experience, worth bringing that in here, i.e. which tournaments he'd previously ref'd.
  • "session of the final, Murphy took a 3–0 lead, but Bingham fought back to end the session" session/session repeat.
  • I would think in the description of the final, century breaks would be worthy of note in the prose rather than just going in session-by-session scores.
  • "had odds of 50–1 to win" link odds, and was it all bookies giving those odds or just one or two or...?
  • Also probably worth some context, like how far down the list of likely winners did 50 to 1 make him? In a huge field, like golf or the Grand National, favourites can still be 10 to 1 etc, so how close was he to being favourite or was he a near-rank-outsider, or somewhere in between? Are there any odds stats for the final itself rather than just pre-tournament odds?
  • "The final was noted..." "break" appears in this sentence three times, along with the MOS conflict of comparable values in numbers and words.
  • "The 3 qualifying" three
  • "as the best-of-19 frames" you haven't hyphenated this before in the prose above.
  • Round 1 table seems to have an odd spare Player column in the middle??
  • "This was the highest in World Championship history, ahead of the 83 scored in 2009" you have already mentioned this.
  • "was due to donate" do you mean "pledged to donate"?
  • "achieved.[79][39]" order.
  • "and Stuart Bingham each" -Stuart.
  • Might be worth adding in parentheses how many century breaks each player got to save us counting them all up? I mean Neil Robertson scored loads and went out in the QFs. Will also help with cross-referencing that you covered all centuries in the total.
  • You have this link declaring when the "modern era" is considered to have started. That is someone's blog and is hosted by a sports equipment shop. Is there something more "solid" on which you can base this claim of a modern era starting?

Just the references left before a re-start. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:48, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, looks like we've covered the above The Rambling Man Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:46, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Lee, I'll do my best to get to finish this first viewing tomorrow morning after I've dropped the kids at school. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:48, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The remainder

  • (from earlier: "Neil Robertson compiled" overlinked)
  • "30 April 1 & 2 May" probably needs a comma after April here.
  • "Referee: Olivier Marteel.[62" he was linked earlier (albeit red) so why not here?
  • In the table, there are several rows called "Players" which are actually sessions, why are they called players?
Any thoughts on this one? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 08:20, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It was a fault with {{32TeamBracket-WSC2-v2}}, which I've changed now. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:41, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Our article on Lü Chenwei has a diacritic on the u of Lu.
  • " Ford, Craig Steadman and David Morris each..." this is the first time their names appear in prose so should be linked here.
  • "The 1964–68" per MOS, 1964–1968.
  • "title at 43 in" do you mean aged 43? Standalone this note makes not much sense!

Refs

  • Ref 4 has publisher in the title.
  • So does ref 5.
  • And 6.
  • Why is worldsnooker.com in italics but snooker.org not? Consistent approach to website formats please.
  • Ref 21 has publisher in the title.
  • Ref 22 has World Snooker not in italics.
  • Ref 22 also has worldsnooker.com in italics as a website but that's not consistently used across all World Snooker refs.
  • If Eurosport and ESPN don't use italics, why does BBC Sport?
  • Ref 42 is missing author and publication date.
  • Ref 48 is missing author, as is 49, 50, 52, 61, 65 etc... best to check all the BBC Sport refs as they usually do.
  • Ref 58 needs en-dash in scoreline.
  • Ref 68 has publisher in the title, but then again, the publisher of World Snooker is suddenly WPBSA here, and nowhere else? And that's the only wikilink in the references.
  • Snooker.org appears to be formatted differently in different places.

I think that's all I have for the moment, you'll be glad to know! The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 08:23, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from GhostRiver

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Looks like GS did a thorough comb-through, so only a few comments from me! — GhostRiver 23:17, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by David Fuchs

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Comments as follows:

  • General:
    • As a non-snooker person, there were a few places I stumbled where I think it would more accessible to a layperson if things were explained rather than purely relying in wikilinks, for example:
      • What a century break actually is
      • what frames are
        • I get the need for these two, but they are particularly simple terms, and we do link them. A century break, being a break of over 100 seems quite logical, maybe there is a need for understanding what a break is. I can't really think of a better phrase than "points in one one attempt at the table", which is a bit wordy and doesn't really explain the term either. Frames are simply individual games, but a "frames (games)" is a little bit like telling someone to suck eggs Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • There's some tense changes that I think should just be past tense (ie. "The breakdown of prize money for this year is show below" reads weird coming after "the prized fund [was] raised".
  • Prose:
    • Selby fell to the Crucible curse, It may just be me, but the phrasing here feels like it lends too much credence to the curse actually existing, and I think reads more plainly if you cut it in the lead and just say Selby lost 9-13 [...] to McGill, becoming the 16th first time champion" etc. (It works fine in the body IMO.)
    • Contrary to my considerations about accessibility above, I think the overview could be shortened a bit. Having an explanation of what snooker is is good, but I don't think the next two bits about its background are that relevant. Likewise the second paragraph talking about the championship structure is directly relevant, as is where it's currently held, and the previous year's titleholder, but I don't think the date of the first world championship or Hendry's record is that useful.
      • I'd disagree - and I generally ask for more background information in FACs. Having a good understanding of the event overall, such as how long it has been held for, and who has won it the most times gives prestige to the event. If you remove that, we could be talking about an event that is a year old, rather than one that's run for nearly 100 years. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sheffield is not linked in its first use, but in its second.
    • First-round debutants at the Crucible were England's Craig Steadman,[34] and Stuart Carrington,[35] Scotland's Anthony McGill,[36] and Norway's Kurt Maflin.[37] McGill and Carrington had both played at the Crucible before, in the Junior Pot Black in 2006.[38] I might be misunderstanding, but it seems like if McGill and Carrington had already played at the Crucible before they couldn't be first-round debutants there?
      • I have changed this, as it doesn't read well (some users say "The Crucible" as if that has some special meaning). Basically they reached the main stages of the event for the first time, which is played at the Crucible. Very few other events take place there, but one event is the Junior pot black (and senior world championships). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Stevens had been defeated in the 2000 final by Williams, eliminated him at the 2015 event, completing a 10–2 victory comma splice
    • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • after Reardon who was 45 in 1978—we've heard how old Reardon was just before this so it doesn't seem relevant to restate it.
  • Media:
  • Images appear appropriately licensed and free.
  • References:

--Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 19:17, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

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Pass. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:08, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

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Without spot-checks. Sources are consistently formatted. Are WorldSnooker, StubHub, snooker.org reliable sources? Ditto for Grimsby Telegraph and Leicester Mercury. Not much else to say, I think. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:11, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, World Snooker are the organisers, and in charge of professional snooker, so as reliable as it gets. Snooker.org is an award winning statistical site with an editorial roll. I'd probably agree about StubHub, so I've removed it. The last two are local newspapers, so will have editorial rolls, so I don't see an issue with these Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:05, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator request

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Support from zmbro

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  • Now I'm not knowledgable on this subject whatsoever, but just doing quick spotchecks on refs, prose, and images it looks more than ready to me. Happy to support. – zmbro (talk) 15:43, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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