Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2020 FA Cup Final/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 29 August 2021 [1].


Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 13:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

World's oldest association football cup competition, the 2020 edition, notable for 0 fans (thanks COVID), a red card, a penalty, and one side ending with nine players. Classic stuff. As ever, I'll be working my socks off to address any and all actionable concerns raised here and thanks in advance for your time and energy. Also, thanks to Anarchyte who gave the article a good going-over at GAN, always appreciated. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 13:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

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Source review

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Spotchecks not done. Version reviewed.

Nikkimaria thanks. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:59, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll begin a review of this article very soon! My reviews tend to focus on prose and MOS issues, especially on the lede, but I will also comment on anything that could be improved. I'll post up some comments below over the next couple days, which you should either respond to, or ask me questions on issues you are unsure of. I'll be claiming points towards the wikicup once this review is over.

Lede
Prose
Additional comments

Additionally, if you liked this review, or are looking for items to review, I have some at my nominations list. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 12:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Vilenski thanks for the comments, sorry for the delay in getting onto them, let me know if there's anything else to address. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:58, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Amakuru

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I will to a full review on this once Lee is done with his, I think, to avoid overlap. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:37, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead
  • It says "the Football Association" here, but down in the Background section it's "The Football Association". Make consistent.
  • "it was the 139th final of the Football Association Challenge Cup (FA Cup) and the showpiece match of English football's primary cup competition" - not much of that seems to be in the body, and is hence uncited.
  • "representing the Cheshire Football Association" - not sure this detail is really needed in the lead?
  • "The match was officially named the Heads Up FA Cup Final" - you said this already in the opening sentence; I'm not entirely sure how to reword it though while still incorporating the detail that the FA gave it that name in conjunction with William, so maybe it's OK! A link to The Royal Foundation#Heads Together might be useful here too.
  • "Arsenal had qualified for the final after beating" - not sure this needs to be in the past perfect continuous tense... could just say "Arsenal qualified for the final by beating..."
  • "after he scored from close range" - would prefer "when he scored from close range", as I tend to think scoring a goal and taking the lead happen simultaneously rather than one following the other.
  • "and received the trophy on the pitch and not..." - two ands in close proximity to each other sound a little jarring. Maybe reword slightly.
  • Possible improvement: "on both BT Sport and BBC" -> "by both BT Sport and the BBC" and then change "the coverage by the latter" to "the latter's coverage"
  • "making it the season's most watched football match in the UK" - does this mean for a football match in the UK, or does it mean by UK viewers?
  • "winning the match after a penalty shootout" - same as above, maybe "through a penalty shootout" or "with a penalty shootout"
  • "penalty shootout" - there is inconsistency here, as some places in the article say "shootout" while others say "shoot-out"
    All addressed. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:59, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Route to the final
  • General point: we know that the final was delayed by three months due to the Covid pandemic, but it's not clear which, if any, of the route-to-the-final matches were delayed. (I also can't recall this detail myself, presumably some were played as scheduled, while others were deferred when the season was postponed in March)
    Yes, but I'm not sure that's particularly relevant to this article. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:00, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "against EFL Championship side Leeds United at their home ground, the Emirates Stadium" - this seems slightly confusing, as the "their" could refer to either Arsenal or Leeds.
  • "Arsenal took the lead in the 55th minute after Reiss Nelson scored" - the "after" thing again. Look for similar cases in the rest of the article too.
  • crossbar / bar - maybe use one term throughout. And is there a link? I suppose not.
  • "In the next round Arsenal were drawn" - generally there are commas after opening phrases like this one.
  • "In the quarter-finals" ... "In the semi-final". Consistency of singular/plural.
  • "hooking the ball into Arsenal's net" - slightly unusual terminology there. Glossary of association football terms doesn't mention anything about "hooking", and those unfamiliar with football might not understand what's meant.
  • "before Ross Barkley struck from close range after another Hudson-Odoi shot was saved" - I'm not made keen on these before ... after constructs. It raises the question of whether the last-mentioned event was earlier or later than the first-mentioned event. I know that's obvious, but still...
  • "Hull City ... Hull City ... Hull" either use Hull on all but the first mention, or Hull City throughout.
  • Link Header (association football)
  • "Willian put the home side ahead after 13 minutes, when Liverpool goalkeeper Adrián failed to gather Willian's 20 yards (18 m) shot" - slightly odd wording here. Did Willian follow up on his own shot?
    All addressed bar the "general point" The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:49, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Background
  • "one another" - [2] suggests that "each other" might be preferred by some grammarians when there are just two entities under discussion. It is not a hard-and-fast rule though, so up to you whether to change this or not.
  • "Before the 2020s final" - presumably "the 2020 final"?
  • "London's Wembley Stadium" - perhaps give the location of the stadium on the first mention rather than here?
  • "he became the first man..." - "the first person" would probably be better, assuming there haven't been any women who refereed two finals in the intervening period.
  • "Wolverhampton Wanderers" - not mentioned before, so link. And if we're naming Chelsea's last opponent here, then also name Arsenal's.
    All done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:53, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
First half
  • "at Wembley Stadium" - we already know from the previous paragraph that it was at Wembley.
  • "front post" - terminology which could be tweaked, clarified or linked for the uninitiated
  • "Azpilicueta brought Aubameyang down as Aubameyang ran in on Chelsea's goal" - a tad repetitive, with two Aubameyangs
    All done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:56, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Second half
Post-match

That's about it. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:10, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amakuru thanks as ever for your review. I've addressed (where suitable) them and commented otherwise above. Let me know if there's 'owt else. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:56, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nice one, thanks TRM. I was curious about the timings of the quarters and semis relative to the covid break, so perhaps our readers would be too, but no biggy. Happy to Support. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 19:09, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Girth Summit

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Not much from me. Please consider the following:

That's about it - I expect I'll support once these have been addressed. Girth Summit (blether) 15:13, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Girth Summit thanks for your review, much appreciated, I believe I've addressed and/or responded to all your points. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:35, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to support. Girth Summit (blether) 23:00, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]


@FAC coordinators: with the customary three supports/image/source review in place, can I nominate another candidate please? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 07:45, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure TRM, go ahead. Cheers, 10:48, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
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