Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2021 British Open/archive2

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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 27 October 2022 [1].

2021 British Open

Nominator(s): Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:21, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the return of the British Open snooker tournament. This is the second nomination, as the first died due to lack of comments. Let me know what you think, as I look forward to any concerns you may have. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:21, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment

Will do a full review later but putting this here largely as a reminder to myself to do so.....
- "All rounds in the tournament were played after a random draw was made [....] and was drawn" - bit of a grammatical disagreement going on there..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:00, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sure, I've changed to "played under". Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:39, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - "All rounds in the tournament were played [...] and was played under" still doesn't work gramatically. The subject of the whole sentence is "all rounds", so all verbs need to be plural..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:01, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      - Made a slight change. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:43, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More comments

"first held in 1980 as the British Gold Cup, won by Alex Higgins" => "first held in 1980 as the British Gold Cup, when it was won by Alex Higgins"
Is there any background to why the tournament restarted after 17 years?
- Other than PR stuff? Not really. It shared some similarities to the last version in 2004, but it's very different - different amount of participants, best of fives (rather than nines and elevens), different venue etc. The only thing that remained was a random draw that wasn't even a thing in every event and it's title. I suspect it was just brought back to have another event held in the UK. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"The event was broadcast by: ITV4" - don't think that colon is needed
- Removed Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"At 46 years and 90 days, Higgins became the oldest player to make a maximum break in competition. Higgins was already the oldest player to make one" - this reads a bit weirdly, as the first sentence suggests that he broke someone else's record but then we learn that he actually already held it himself. Maybe reword to something like "Higgins broke his own record as the oldest...." or something?
- Changed Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Mark Allen and Reanne Evans who had been in a relationship between 2005 and 2008, met" - needs a comma after Evans
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Hendry won the match 3–2, his first main tournament win since retiring in 2012" - strange to read that he won his first match since retiring - presumably he must have "un-retired" at some point.......?
- In 2020! I've added that Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"David Gilbert who had won his first ranking event at the preceding Championship League event reached" => "David Gilbert, who had won his first ranking event at the preceding Championship League event, reached"
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"A break of 111 in frame three for Williams was his first century break of the event, before Wilson won frame four.[43] Wilson won frame three with a break of 101 to lead the match for the first time" - this reads oddly because we seem to move from frame three, to frame four, then back to frame three.....?
- That last one should say five. I've changed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Photo captions need full stops
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Think that's all I got! :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:26, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Cheers, ChrisTheDude, fixes above. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now happy to support BTW if you had any spare time and fancied taking a look at this current FAC, your thoughts would be most gratefully received. If not, not to worry. Have a good day -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:15, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

Suggest expanding the FUR for File:British_Open_2021_Poster.jpg. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:34, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Added Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator comment

Three weeks in and just the single general support. Unless this nomination makes significant further progress towards a consensus to promote over the next three or four days I am afraid that it is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:20, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Same as usual. I'll get on the blower and see what I can get going Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

HF - support

I'll take a look at this. Can't promise that it'll be before Tuesday though. Hog Farm _Talk 21:13, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a specific reason as to why it hadn't been held in close to two decades?
- There has been zero reason given both why it was no longer played and why it was brought back - other than the event being "prestigious" and wanting another event on the calendar to be played in England as there were no Chinese events during lockdown. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think a few sentences about how qualification occurred would be useful
- There was no qualification. The event was open to all members of the World Snooker Tour. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:41, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Could a brief statement to this effect be added? Hog Farm _Talk 20:51, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - Sure, I've added that the 128 participants were all from the World Snooker Tour. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:47, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
" Netherton, Alexander (17 August 2021). "British Open 2021: Mark Selby defeats Shaun Murphy in first round in World Championship replay". Archived from the original on 19 August 2021. Retrieved 17 August 2021." - needs publisher
- Added Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:39, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look okay enough from a reliability standpoint, and the content seems fine. My only cue sports familiarity is a little cutthroat pool in college, but I found it to be comprehensible. Hog Farm _Talk 02:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'll take a look at these. I've never actually played Cutthroat (pool), but I'll add it to my list to try. Snooker is a much more comprehensive and complicated game played on giant tables with tiny pockets. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from BennyOnTheLoose

It seems like the article has improved since I previously supported it at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2021 British Open/archive1, but I'll have another look through. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:04, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"The event recorded 32 century breaks," - "recorded" doesn't seem like the right word to me.
- Changed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Sports cast in Thailand;" - source has True Sport for Thailand, and Sport Cast for Taiwan.
- Fixed up. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Hendry played Gary Wilson, but lost 0–3."; "Wilson played Slessor, but trailed 0–2" - I don't think "but"s fit here.
- Fixed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Final: could explain what the numbers in parentheses are (unless you think it's obvious)
- I've added a sentence. Maybe we should do this more? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Century breaks: currently four instances of "made"; you could vary the wording.
- I've changed the wording. It still uses "made" a little but there is some variation BennyOnTheLoose. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Support. Thanks! Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done

The Sportsman should be italicized as a work title
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:12, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
FN20 is missing date
- Date added Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:12, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Eurosport is sometimes italicized and sometimes not - should be consistent
- Done. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:12, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What makes snookerhq a high-quality reliable source?
- Replaced Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:17, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
FNs 1 and 38 are the same source but are formatted differently - why? Ditto FNs 45 and 46, check throughout.
- I've changed some of the formatting, but these weren't the same sources. The 45/47 item was different sources with both now redirecting to the same page. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:12, 23 October 2022 (UTC)Nikkimaria (talk) 04:01, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Why "livescores.worldsnookerdata.com" but also "World Snooker Live Scores"? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:20, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - thanks for that Nikkimaria - these are now consistent. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 05:28, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I've made the changes above Nikkimaria. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:33, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Nikkimaria, how is this one looking now? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:59, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Should be good to go. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:21, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 11:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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