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2022 Welsh Open (snooker)

Nominator(s): Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It may surprise you to learn that I don't get to see a lot of professional snooker live. This was the second event I managed to get to in the last five years. A superb week in a great venue - with some images taken during the event in the article. The Welsh Open is often a good but minor event, but for two years straight has had a great narrative. The previous year's winner Jordan Brown won his first event, ranked 80th in the world. This year, perennial journeyman Joe Perry won the event, defeating the majorly in-form Ricky Walden in the quarter-finals, Jack Lisowski (who had won a match of the season contender against Ali Carter in the round prior), a serial winner Judd Trump in the final to win his second ranking event, the first being a minor 2015 Players Tour Championship Grand Final win. Perry's win was at age 47, the second oldest winner of a ranking event (at the time). A great event, and hopefully a well written and researched article. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Z1720

Prose review:

"True Sport in Thailand;" Wikilink to True Sport?
"won the fifth on the colours after potting a difficult yellow ball" I am unsure what "on the colours" means, and I can't find the term at Glossary of cue sports terms Perhaps this should be explained in the article or a different term used.
"the 31st edition of the Welsh Open," This is mentioned in the lede but not cited in the article

Those are my comments. Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 20:16, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Z1720, I have made the above changes. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:37, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For Ref 2 (the one used to cite the 31st Welsh Open) should include a retrieval date, and I recommend archiving it. Z1720 (talk) 13:45, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have done this (and archived a few more as well). Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:48, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support: All of my comments have been addressed. Z1720 (talk) 14:17, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from ChrisTheDude

"Ronnie O'Sullivan's held-over qualifying match" - up to this point you have only used the surname on any mention after the first (which I believe to be correct practice) but O'Sullivan is named in full...?
- Apologies. I thought Sean O'Sullivan was also in qualifying. He isn't, so I've changed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Three-time World Women's Snooker Championship winner Ng On-yee" - not linked?
- Linked Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"failed to escape from a snooker" - link snooker in this context
- Linked. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Image captions which are complete sentences need full stops
- Done. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:41, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Cheers ChrisTheDude, I've incorporated the above. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:21, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from BennyOnTheLoose

Sources (not a full source review)

De-capitalise "WELSH OPEN SNOOKER FINAL AS IT HAPPENED – JOE PERRY STUNS JUDD TRUMP TO BECOME SECOND OLDEST RANKING WINNER OF ALL TIME"
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:31, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Remove "author=World Snooker Tour" from ref 71.
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:31, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I had a look at the Snooker Scene refs:

"in the fifth frame, potting single reds and then playing safe or attempting to snooker his opponent" seems to go beyond the source - unless you can point me to a part I'm missing.
- I've condensed this Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:47, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Snooker Scene ref after "stated Vafaei afterward." can be removed as it's redundant (and unlike the Eurosport source, doesn't include the "It was unbelievable" part of the quote).
- Moved. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:47, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Perry cited a match he won over Lee Walker at the Turkish Masters qualifying event as a catalyst for his change in form during the event" - maybe add a bit more about what he said? (improved his confidence because he played well, according to him)
- Done. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:47, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"The win took him from 42nd to 23rd in the world rankings" - the Snooker Scene ref is redundant. (You could use the WST source there to add in that the trophy is named after Reardon, maybe.)
- I was actually just using that as a general citation for the paragraph. I can't think of a natural way to mention that the trophy was named after Reardon. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:40, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Format

I couldn't see explicit support for "the 31st edition" in the source; is this a WP:CALC based on "ever present on the snooker calendar since 1992"?
- CALC based on they list every event. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:18, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Final

It's probably obvious who the "him" in "The win took him from 42nd to 23rd in the world rankings" is, but consider changing it to "Perry".
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:31, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and Lead

Can "held-over" be explained here?
- I've linked it - will put something in the corresponding article. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:24, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Could mention highest breaks in the lead.
- Added a sentence. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:24, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski: that's all I could see; unsurprisingly not very much as I had reviewed this for GA. Thanks for your work on the article. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've covered the above, BennyOnTheLoose Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:47, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Those responses are fine, thanks. Three more small points below. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:21, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not all of the images have alt text/refer to caption.

Added, I think I got them all. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:20, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the caption that has "one of my biggest buzzes since I've been a pro". should have the full stop inside the quotation mark per MOS:INOROUT

I disagree, although I'm sure it's not all that important. If the quotation is a single word or a sentence fragment, place the terminal punctuation outside the closing quotation mark. The quote is only a fragment of the full sentence in the quote. I might be wrong though. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:16, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In Century breaks, I'd prefer "There were 58 century breaks made.. " to "There was a total of 58 century breaks made".

No problem. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:16, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:16, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source Review by Amakuru - Passed

(ref numbers refer to this version)

"Chris Turner's Snooker Archive" - should probably be italicised as a website rather than a publisher, or at least it is italicised at 2021 World Snooker Championship
- Done. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:05, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"WST" - I would prefer it if this were spelled out in full, so readers can see at a glance what it is, particularly as the style is not to link publishers here. WST is not the name of the article anyway. Also, conversely to the above, this probably is a publisher and could maybe be de-italicised, but actually it seems like there's a consistent style to italicise things like this (including RTE and BBC Sport) so for consistency we can keep it italicised.
- Done. I actually don't know where the line is between publisher and website. Strictly speaking in all contexts a website publishes information, so I tend to go with publisher being for written works. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:05, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 3 - appears to be also a WST website. 2021 World Snooker Championship has entries from this website simply listed under that umbrella rather than with the website name. Alternatively, list WST as a publisher. Title is also a bit odd on this one. Why does it have an underscore in it?
- Ah, because the title of the item did. Fixed. I'll work my way through and replace the website with WST. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:11, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 7 - deadlink, use the archived version. The piped title "Draw | World Snooker Live Scores" is also slightly odd. "World Snooker Live Scores" is presumably the website name.
- Fixed Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:11, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 8 - the main link is dated 27 February, but the archived version was taken on 26 February and is dated 24 February
- I've gone ahead and removed the archive copy. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:24, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 10 - link doesn't point where it's supposed to. Use archived version.
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 13 - our article has it as RTÉ rather than "RTE"
- Added diacritics Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 16 - it's "Hincks", not Hinks
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 18 - headline title doesn't seem completely accurate. It should be "Ng On-yee secures first World Snooker Tour win". And it's missing a date.
- Yeah, a lot of Eurosport/BBC headlines are changed over time. I have updated. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 19 - ditto, headline should be "Welsh Open: Robertson, Selby, Higgins, Trump and Williams through to second round" and it's also missing the date. And the author, Siân Price
- Updated Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 20 - author is Carine Chow. And add a date.
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 21 - author Siân Price should have a diacritic, and headline once again not quite accurate
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 23 - headline is different, I assume because it was a live blog and they later changed it.
- Indeed, updated. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also on ref 23 the archived version seems to point to a "Eurosport is unavailable in your region" page https://www.eurosport.com/geoblocking.shtml, which is also the archive link for 20 other refs in the article. Go through and maybe update each of those to point to a sensible archive link.
- Yeah, Eurosport blocks IA. I don't know where does make suitable archives of Eurosport, so for now I've removed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 24 - looks like a duplicate of ref 17
- Combined. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Have to head off now, will continue looking later. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 12:40, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 27 - headline mismatch, and date / Siân Price name omitted
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 28 - where are you getting the name "Walker-Roberts, James" from? I can't see it in the source
Ref 30 - this one really is Walker-Roberts, James; add his name
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 33 - title mismatch
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 34 - title mismatch and missing author
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 38 - date
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 39 - date
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 40 - headline mismatch, and add date
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 45 - author and date missing
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 46 - author missing
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 47 - date
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 49 - author Hector Nunns
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 52 - missing "Eurosport UK"
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 55 - formatted differently from #36 and #53
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 56 - date
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 58 - headline, author and date
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 60 - headline and date
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 61 - headline
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 64 - headline, author and date
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 67 - needs a date; also, "independent" is an odd-looking work... probably should be Irish Independent to match our article title
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 71 - link says 27 Feb and ref says 28 Feb. I can understand the other way round, if the article was later updated, but it doesn't seem like it should be earlier than the given date...
- I think this has previously been fixed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's about it for now... quite a lot of issues identified, although in fairness many of them are repetitions of the same issue throughout, e.g. BBC Sport articles consistently missing author and date. I will come back for another pass once these are addressed. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 09:26, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

- Should be all together now Amakuru.Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski: Sorry for the delay returning to this. I'm satisfied with formatting etc. now. Will move on to spot checks: This version checked.

Ref 1: Article says "Newport Leisure Centre", but the source and our article both say "Newport Centre". Any reason?
- Not really - I've heard it called both. I've fixed to make it consistent with the source. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:33, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 2: Checks out.
Ref 3: Minor point, as it's probably covered elsewhere, but the ref covers the venue and start date, but not the end date.
- Yeah, it's sourced well enough elsewhere, but obviously that ref covers the February part, you can click March to show it also took place in March until the sixth. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:33, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Refs 9 & 10: Where is the £5k for highest break referenced? The £405k total figure seems to check out per WP:CALC.
- I'll add [2]. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:35, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 15 - checks out.
Ref 21/22/23 - checks out.
Ref 30/31 - checks out for all statements
Ref 55 - this seems to be supporting a lot of detail about the Perry/Lisowki match, but I'm only seeing a short summary in [3]
- Snooker Scene goes into depths, so I'll add that as well to cover what is said. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:37, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 64 - checks out (although the source says "This is the absolutely highlight of my career by a country mile" rather than what you've said which is "This is the absolute highlight of my career by a country mile", which I assume might be a misprint on their part.
- It is. I could do [sic], but I've added a different source that said the correct words. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:33, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I might check one or two more when you've responded to these points, but no major concerns. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 15:38, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have covered the above points Amakuru. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:25, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski: great, I think that's good enough then. You're a seasoned contributor here so I think that's enough spot checks. Passing on sourcing. Also, (and to quote a great Wikipedian) - if you liked this review, or are looking for items to review, I am awaiting a source check of my own at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Coventry ring road/archive1... 😀 Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 09:51, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

File:2022_Welsh_Open_poster.jpg: suggest elaborating the FUR. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:18, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have done so - not sure what else I can add. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:58, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notice to co-ords

Hi Gog the Mild, I'm just awaiting Amakuru's response for the source review - any chance I can push another one into the fire when I get a support? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:43, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes; but only if and when Amakuru gives an unambiguous pass on the sourcing. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:10, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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