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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 14:10, 19 November 2016 [1].

Aries (album)

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Nominator(s): Erick (talk) 20:06, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Aries is the ninth studio album by Mexican singer Luis Miguel. While there were some reserves about the album by critics, I am particularly fond of the early-90's dance-pop music even if they are cheesy. This is my first article about an album by Luis Miguel that is not a Romance-themed album. Previously, I have contributed to make Romance (Luis Miguel album) and Romances (Luis Miguel album) FAs and now I am nominating this article to FA after getting a peer review done by Carbrera. I look forward to your feedback! Erick (talk) 20:06, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Tintor2 (talk) 17:06, 15 September 2016 (UTC) The article is in quite good but there are somethings that bothered me:[reply]

Background and recording
"The album, which was produced by Armando Manzanero and arranged by Bebu Silvetti,[1] was a success in Latin America and sold over seven million copies worldwide.[2][3]" The sentence seems quite long. I would recommend splitting it like "The album, which was produced by Armando Manzanero and arranged by Bebu Silvetti.[1] It was a success in Latin America and sold over seven million copies worldwide.[2][3]"
"Recording began on 4 July 1992.[8]" Now this sentence feels a bit small. Maybe I am nitpicking it so don't feel like an issue.
Singles and promotion
"The album's third single, "Suave", was released in September 1993 and peaked at number nine on the Hot Latin Songs chart;[22][23] its music video was directed by Kiko Guerrero and features Miguel dancing with several women on a beach.[24][25]" Also feels like a long sentence.
Critical reception
The first paragraph looks like it lacks some wikilink like Billboard
References
Reference 4 "Burr, Ramiro (11 July 1993). "Luis Miguel meets his challenges". San Antonio Express-News. Hearst Corporation. (subscription required (help))." seems like it lacking something.
Also, I would recommend archiving some citations in case they become dead links.

Other than that, I feel the article is well written and sourced. If the issues are solved, I'll give it my support. Additionally, I would appreciate if you could provide feedback to my own FAN (which is my first one), Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Allen Walker/archive1, which has been quite inactive.

@Tintor2:, I believed I have addressed everything you brought up. As the last point about the reference, it's a paywall source, so it's acceptable the way it is. I don't have the album, otherwise I would've added where it was recorded on the sentence you mentioned felt too short. I'll see if I can find it online. Erick (talk) 16:20, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Magiciandude: Good work. I'll give you my support.Tintor2 (talk) 21:20, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Richard3120:

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Good work Erick, just a few things (mostly grammar) that I think need to be looked at:

  • Second line – "Miguel decided to record an album of original recordings rather than a follow-up to Romance". Firstly, putting "record" and "recordings" almost next to each other sounds like repetition: perhaps it could be changed to "make an album of original recordings"? Secondly, surely the album WAS a follow-up to Romance, since it was his next record... I think what you mean is that he didn't want his next record to be in the same style as an album of cover versions of boleros. So this needs to be clarified.
  • Second paragraph – you say "Ayer", "Hasta Que Me Olvides" and "Suave" were the three singles released from the album. So we need clarification on what "Hasta el Fin" and "Tu y Yo" were if they were not official singles, but they still managed to chart on the Hot Latin Songs chart.
  • Background and recording, first line – sorry, and with apologies to Tintor2 above, splitting that into two sentences now is not grammatically correct... either it should go back to the way it was, or the first sentence should just be "The album was produced by Armando Manzanero and arranged by Bebu Silvetti", because otherwise you have a hanging clause.
  • Again, in the first paragraph of this section, I think you have to clarify "In spite of Romance's success, Miguel did not want to release an immediate follow-up to the album IN THE SAME STYLE", or something like that.
  • Background and recording, last line of the first paragraph – you might have to check the original quote, because it looks like it is missing the word "be" in two places... should it be "The creation of an album has to BE part of me or else I would not be able to interpret it, or BE in it"?
  • Composition, first paragraph – should be "a saxophone solo BY American musician Kirk Whalum".
  • Composition, second paragraph – you have to say "referred TO "Me Niego Estar Solo" and "Hasta El Fin"...".
  • Singles and promotion – again, not clear what the release status of "Hasta el Fin" and "Tu y Yo" were if they were not official singles.
  • Critical reception – we would call the writers "critics", not "editors", which usually signifies the person in charge of producing the magazine/website.
  • Commercial reception – just a couple of minor grammatical changes... "it debuted and peaked at the number two on the Billboard Top Latin Albums chart... "Aries remained IN this position until it was replaced by the Gipsy Kings's album..." "Aries HAD sold over two million copies worldwide as of 2000". Richard3120 (talk) 23:43, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Richard3120: Hey Richard! I believed I've addressed everything in regards to grammar (especially the quote error that I overlooked). Now as for "Ayer" and "Tu y Yo", I will need your input on this on. When I started working on this article, I searched online to ensure that all the songs that charted were indeed singles. I find the first three through MercadoLibre, Todocoleccion, Eil, and eBay. I just found out through Discogs that "Tu y Yo" was released as a promo single for the US (source). I can just source the CD ID given Discogs is not accepted due to it being a user-submitted website. That only leaves "Hasta el Fin" which I still can't find an online to show it was released as a single. Erick (talk) 00:37, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Magiciandude, I'll have a look, but it may well be that it was not released as a single. I am wondering, seeing as the Billboard charts include an airplay component as well as sales, whether either "Tu y Yo" or "Hasta el Fin" were ever properly released as singles, and maybe they just charted on airplay alone? I think a US editor might be of more help here: I'm British and the UK charts have always been based on sales (and more recently, sales + streaming) only, so US chart positions have always been a bit of a mystery to me. Richard3120 (talk) 00:53, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Richard3120: As far as the Hot Latin Songs chart goes, it was solely based on airplay at the time the album came out. It wasn't until late 2012 when they started factoring sales and streaming as well. Would it be alright with you if I just mention "Tu y Yo" being a promo single being released in the US for now? Erick (talk) 00:58, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that probably answers the question then – if it was just an airplay-based chart then it's very likley those two songs were released to radio stations as promotional singles only, and they gained their chart positions on airplay on those stations. I guess all you can do is say they were promo singles for the time being. Richard3120 (talk) 16:00, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Richard3120: Alright, I went ahead and amended the sentence per your suggestion. I have one more question. In the same interview on why he wasn't making another Romance, he said would do it after making Aries. Should I mention that in this article or should it just remain in the article for Segundo Romance? Erick (talk) 17:32, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Richard3120: Hey Richard, it's been five days since my last comment. I need to know if everything has been resolved. Thanks, Erick (talk) 22:34, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Erick, my apologies, I've had a busy week and haven't logged on to Wikipedia at all. I think the only thing is in the second paragraph of the lead, where you might need to state, "Two further songs were released as promotional singles, "Hasta el Fin" and "Tú y Yo", and both peaked at number four on the Hot Latin Songs chart"... Otherwise, all good. Richard3120 (talk) 22:41, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Richard3120:, That's fine. As long as I can get this FAC going, I'm good. Anyways, I've addressed your remaining issue. Thanks! Erick (talk) 21:04, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support on prose per my standard disclaimer. These are my edits. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. - Dank (push to talk) 19:15, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lead
  • What type of success did his 1991 album Romance attained? Commercial, critical, or a combination of both?
  • Why say US Billboard Top Latin Albums but earlier only say Billboard Top Latin Songs?
  • Too many instances with chart in the second paragraph
  • So only "Pensar en Ti" received airplay in Mexico? I don't believe it is critical information needed in the lead if the track only received airplay in Mexico, what's the point of telling readers that a song was played on the radio?
  • Why not link List of diamond-certified albums in Argentina in the lead; though this is just a suggestion.
  • I feel that the sales/certifications could all be compressed into one sentence.
Background and recording
  • I believe saying that Romance was a commercial success rather than a success by itself way reads better.
Singles and promotion
  • I thought that after its second mention, the United States would be abbreviated? Or is that a stylistic choice?
Critical reception
@AJona1992:, thanks for the review. I will address these tomorrow. Erick (talk) 13:05, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@AJona1992:, I believe I addressed everything you brought up except for the many instances of chart, because that's what they are and there aren't any similar words to it. Erick (talk) 17:41, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@AJona1992:, it's been four days since my last comment. Please get to me as soon as you can. Erick (talk) 05:56, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect! Just did another read and I now support the article's promotion to FA status. The lead did not have that repetition feel as much as before when I did my first read. Best – jona ✉ 13:32, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Coord note -- I didn't notice an image-licensing review; you can request one at the top of WT:FAC]. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:51, 12 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Media check - all OK

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