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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

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Austin J. Tobin Plaza

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Nominator(s): SirMemeGod  15:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a plaza that was located at the site of the World Trade Center in Lower Manhattan, New York City until it's (unfortunate) destruction on September 11, 2001. It had several famous sculptures that were located on it, and became an evacuation route during the deadliest terrorist attack in modern world history. I (with honorary co-nominator Epicgenius, I must admit it wouldn't have passed without his extraordinary help) got the article to GA-status a few days ago, and I'm going to try for FA status. This is my first-ever nomination, so apologies if I mess something up. :) SirMemeGod  15:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

@Nikkimaria: Issues have been addressed. :) SirMemeGod  12:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HF

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I'll try to review this soon. Hog Farm Talk 22:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Is there a specific reason why the reference to Piazza San Marco is not linked?
  • "The plaza was made of smooth marble and granite." - this is a bit misleading. This phrasing implies that the plaza consisted of both at the same time, but a review of the cited source indicates that it was originally marble, which was replaced by the granite
  • I also find it odd that in the renovations section where the change is mentioned, it is not stated why the flooring was changed out. The Finkelstein NYT piece indicates that the old flooring had deteriorated badly
  • Given the scope of the renovations, wouldn't it make more sense to describe the design both before and after the renovations?
  • I really think the reception of the design could/should be greater than a couple brief quotes; the Finkelstein NYT piece states that the original design of the plaza was "long viewed as a civic disappointment". If the NYT is saying this that bluntly, then I imagine that there is sufficient coverage to indicate that this was the general view of the public regarding the original design of the plaza. Epicgenius may be able to provide some pointer; they've pretty much mastered the art of writing sections for design receptions for NYC buildings
  • Shouldn't the size of the plaza be mentioned in the design section?
  • "In early 1961, the plan for the original World Trade Center was released to the public, and the site was to be located in New Jersey." - the cited source says the site was along the East River. Isn't the East River in New York, not New Jersey?
  • "Development of the plaza began on August 5, 1966, as the construction of other buildings that were part of the World Trade Center took place." is sourced to ""World Trade Center, New York City, detail view of model of the plaza". Library of Congress, Washington, D.C. 20540 USA. Archived from the original on September 11, 2024. Retrieved September 3, 2024.". What kind of citation is this? The web link goes to a Library of Congress item available in person with a Created/Published date of March 7, 1966. So how does whatever this unclear item is support development of the plaza in August 1966?
  • "The Bathtub, which helped hold the plaza, took up an underground space that reached to the West Side Highway and Greenwich Street" - the only reference to Greenwich Street I can find in the source is The western half of this substructure, bounded by West Street to the west and the 1/9 subway line that extends approximately between West Broadway and Greenwich Street on the east. So West Street is apparently a portion of West Side Highway, but doesn't the source seem to say that the east bounday was the subway line, not Greenwich Street?
  • "The plaza was inaugurated on April 4, 1973, along with the other buildings in the complex" - this appears to be a minor form of original research, as the source only mentions the inauguration of the buildings and does not mention the plaza at all. Also, what makes this podcast website a high-quality RS as required by the FA criteria?
  • "Langewiesche, William (August 2002). "American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center". EBSCO. Archived from the original on September 11, 2024. Retrieved September 5, 2024." - source is not published by EBSCO; the source information in EBSCO indicates that this is actually from Atlantic Monthly
  • "Fischbach, Amy Florence (March 2001). "Towering Security". EBSCO. Archived from the original on September 11, 2024. Retrieved September 5, 2024." - not published by EBSCO; again EBSCO is only the search host. This was apparently published in Electrical Construction & Maintenance

I'm going to have to oppose; I don't think this is ready for the prime-time and would recommend withdrawal and this going through peer review; particularly with someone more experienced with the FA process serving as a guide. Hog Farm Talk 23:38, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn per comment. I'll still try to address the issues you brought up by tomorrow. :) SirMemeGod  23:43, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@FAC coordinators: Sir MemeGod has decided to withdraw his nomination per the above. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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