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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 14:18, 25 December 2016 [1].

Cliff Clinkscales

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Nominator(s): TempleM (talk) 23:54, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a veteran professional basketball player who has experience in the NBA Development League and the National Basketball League of Canada. He competed at the collegiate level with DePaul and played high school hoops at Shores Christian Academy in Ocala, Florida. He achieved fame from a young age after having his dribbling skills featured on national television, but struggles in high school brought him down. Clinkscales' entire career has been a comeback, so it is quite an interesting read. I have spent weeks on expanding this article, and it was promoted to GA a few days ago. I recently added most of the college section, so that might need some more review. However, it is very detailed in its coverage of the player and uses just about every reliable source available on the subject. Any comments would be greatly appreciated. TempleM (talk) 23:54, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TonyTheTiger

Support after reading through this again and seeing the GAN pass swiftly, I'm happy that this meets the FA criteria. JAGUAR  12:09, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Looks like an article which would attract universal readership. And it's covered most of the personality's life. Can we have something more about the guy's personal life, though? Best, Nairspecht (talk) 15:01, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nah, better leave that out. I was talking about more info about his "relationships", if any. Maybe a sentence or two, if there is anything, that is. Otherwise, this looks sufficient for an FA to me. Best, Nairspecht (talk)

Support - As I said, I only made some minor copy edits at the beginning, Nairspecht did a thorough and comprehensive job. But I'm quite happy to support, the article is well structured, reads well and contains relevant and interesting information. Well done everyone. Scribolt (talk) 06:10, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments – Ian Rose asked me to have a look at this article, since there were varying opinions here, and this is what I found:

  • "soon after which he joined the BayHawks." To me, this would read cleaner as "and joined the BayHawks soon after."
  • Remove "the" from "led the NCAA Division I"?
  • Early life: The spaced em dashes should be made unspaced (or be converted to en dashes) per the MoS.
  • Freshman: "by adding one point and two assists in 14 minutes against Bowling Green." In this instance, I see Tony's point about odd-sounding language. How about "by scoring one point and recording (maybe find a better word?) two assists"? On the positive side, I'm not having too much trouble reading the rest of the basketball material.
  • How could December 6 have been his first game if he played on November 20?
  • Remove second "the" from "the third-best in the Conference USA"? Also consider doing the same in the next section, and removing the duplicate wikilink.
  • Junior: Bradley is another repeated link that should be removed. It might be worth checking the rest of the article for any more of these duplicate links.
  • Senior: "and frequently appeared on the Blue Demons' starting lineup." "on" → "in".
  • The first four words of "as a point guard he scored a season-best 12 points..." are throwing the structure of the sentence off for me. I don't see why this needs mentioning, since we already know that he plays at point guard.
  • "the team were unable to beat the Wildcats". "were" → "was"?
  • Another "the" in "led the NCAA Division I" could use chopping.
  • Statistics: The note says the stats are from RealGM, but the citation is to ESPN.
  • 2008–2009 season: "Head coach Clay Moser described Clinkscales arrival as a boon to the team". His name should have an apostrophe at the end here.
  • 2013–2014 season: More spaced em dashes need fixing.
  • 2014–2015 season: You have a double cite to ref 73 after one of the quotes.
  • 2015–2016 season: I found "the Rainmen revived itself" to be confusing. How about changing it to a simpler "the Rainmen reformed under new ownership as the Halifax Hurricanes."?
  • I was also confused how his team went from only having two wins to reaching the playoffs and winning the league title. It might be worthwhile to include a summary sentence on the team's regular season performance, to bridge the gap in narrative.
  • The photo caption here needs updating, as it still indicates that Clinkscales won't play any longer for the Hurricanes.
  • 2016–2017 season: Remove the hyphen after "newly".
  • Wikipedia article aren't supposed to have identical section headings, but I see two headings titled Statistics. You could name one College statistics and the other Professional statistics, which seems like the easiest fix.
  • Personal life: Add "was" before "managed".
  • "In the victory against Team No Excuses in 2015". "the" → "a".
  • Can we expand upon the single-sentence paragraph here, or merge it elsewhere? It's the only stubby element of the article, and it stands out.
  • The all caps in the title of ref 88 should be taken out.
  • My last concern is the usage of the New York Post as a substantial source. While I find their sports coverage entertaining to read, it does tend toward the tabloid side of things, and I've seen its usage discouraged in BLPs before. Much of the content is provides here is quotes, which I'm not too worried about. However, I think the Post isn't a great source for "He rarely studied, often skipped classes, and made friends with the wrong people" in particular. I won't oppose over it, but would like to see the source reviewer sign off on the Post's use to make me feel better before I consider supporting. And consider finding another source to support that one claim, which I wouldn't really trust the Post for. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:54, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

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  • File:Cliff Clinkscales.png: Free image on Commons and own work, using it to identify the subject in the infobox is fine. Why are there no EXIF data? Not used anywhere else on the web.
  • File:Jamaica Av 168 Pl PM jeh.jpg: Free image on Commons and own work, using it to identify a place of life of the subject. Complete EXIF this time that is also coherent with other uploads from the uploader, used in lower resolution elsewhere on the web.
  • File:East FL SR 40 in Downtown Ocala.jpg: Free image on Commons and own work, using it to identify a place of life of the subject. Complete EXIF, only upload by the uploader. It's been used elsewhere on the web after the upload on Commons.
  • File:On the Lincoln Park Campus of DePaul University in Chicago.JPG: Free image on Commons and own work, using it to identify a place of life of the subject. Complete EXIF, also coherent with other uploads. Artwork in the background is de minimis, not used at full resolution elsewhere on the web.
  • File:RyanCenter.jpg: Free image on Commons and own work, using it to identify a place of work(?) of the subject and an event described in the adjacent section. Complete EXIF coherent with other uploads. Has been used by other websites as well, so seems to me.
  • File:Cliff Clinkscales layup.jpg: Free image on Commons, using it to identify an event described in the adjacent section. Complete EXIF, from Flickr, underwent a Flickr review on Commons. Not used elsewhere on the web at full resolution.
  • File:Scotiabank Centre - EXTERIOR - 091914 - Paul Darrow (3).JPG: Free image on Commons and own work, using it to identify a place of work of the subject. Complete EXIF, sole remnant upload by uploader; another upload was deleted for lacking evidence of permission. Not used at full resolution elsewhere on the web.

Images may benefit from ALT text. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:52, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done

  • Source for birth date? Source for weight?
  • Dead links (a couple are also tagged)
  • Several of your sources have named authors but the citations are missing them
  • FN5: why are there two websites listed?
  • Be consistent in how website names are formatted
  • Network names shouldn't be italicized. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:49, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Nikkimaria - I have fixed the issues with consistency, author names, and italicization. Feel free to go back and make sure. The source for birth date and weight is RealGM, but I am not sure where to put the citation. Also, how do I deal with the dead links without deleting the information that comes from that source? I am not sure what you mean by "two websites listed" as well. TempleM (talk) 03:07, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • If you're not repeating the info in the article body, you can put the citation in the infobox. For dead links, see if you can find an updated version, either on the site or through an archiving service like archive.org. FN5 has "BlueDemonZone.com. Rivals.com. " - it's not clear to me what you're trying to convey by that, especially since in the other citations Rivals.com is treated as a work while here it's presented as a publisher. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:53, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator note: Also Nikkimaria, Giants above asked about using the New York Post as a source, and if it would be reliable enough. Sarastro1 (talk) 00:01, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Giants: do you have examples of BLP-related discussions for that source? The two articles seem a bit fawning but as you note the material isn't too controversial, and it looks like RSN discussions have been mixed. Nikkimaria (talk) 06:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The most contentious part that came from the Post article has already been removed, so that took care of my primary concern for this article. I'd swear I've seen editors say that it wasn't the greatest source for BLPs and tending to agree, but can't remember where. As long as you think it's okay, I'm fine with it. Giants2008 (Talk) 16:11, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I completely agree that it isn't the greatest source, but I think it's sufficient for what it's being used for here. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:18, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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