Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cortana
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was promoted 14:00, 15 December 2007.
Arguably the second most important character in Halo... David Fuchs (talk) 00:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- Comment: is there policy on citing dialogue from video games, and is the boldface truly necessary (as opposed to italic or underline). JFW | T@lk 00:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- The boldface has consensus as the way to cite dialogue. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 00:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Weak oppose:Neutral: This article needs some serious copyediting, some general cleanup (especially in the dialogue citations), and probably some reorganization. I don't have time to write specific issues right now, but I'll take a crack at performing some of this cleanup when I have more time. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)- I've trimmed some of the unnecessary parts of the dialogue citations, and have copyedited the article (though I have particular writing style, so people are by all means encouraged to point out parts that sound a bit stilted to them). After having read the article top to bottom (which I hadn't done previously) I'm not seeing where reorganization is needed; can you perhaps suggest something, or point out where information doesn't flow for you? Thanks. — TKD::Talk 07:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Opinion changed to neutral because I haven't had time to review the article. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 16:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- I've trimmed some of the unnecessary parts of the dialogue citations, and have copyedited the article (though I have particular writing style, so people are by all means encouraged to point out parts that sound a bit stilted to them). After having read the article top to bottom (which I hadn't done previously) I'm not seeing where reorganization is needed; can you perhaps suggest something, or point out where information doesn't flow for you? Thanks. — TKD::Talk 07:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Object for now:1a (prose). I've started to copyedit, but this could use a little more work.1b (comprehensiveness). I have an essay anthology, Halo Effect, published by BenBella Books. I believe that there is some analysis in there about the derivation of Cortana's name from Curtana, and how that relates to Durandal (cf. the sword Durendal), an AI in Bungie's previous Marathon series. I will see whether I can incorporate this information over the weekend.
- — TKD::Talk 05:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- I won't have time to do justice to a major addition until at least tomorrow night, but, if anyone else happens to have Halo Effect, the relevant information appears on pages 91–93. — TKD::Talk 08:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- Reading more, that same essay goes on to tie the Cortana Letters (the first advertisement of Halo, back in 1999) to the first Halo 3 trailer. The current article doesn't mention the letters at all, when in fact they were the very first public release of anything directly Halo-related. — TKD::Talk 08:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- On that same line why do the letters have a article on their own? shouldn't we merge the content into this and other relevant articles? - Caribbean~H.Q. 09:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I would be in favor of putting the relevant material in Cortana and, to the extent that it began the public's exposure to Halo, Halo (series). Connections with the Halo 3 E3 2006 trailer can be mentioned in marketing for Halo 3. There's not going to be enough verifiable material to sustain a full article. — TKD::Talk 09:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- I've added material about the Cortana Letters and, seeing as that should really provide enough context, have redirected the perpetual stub at Cortana Letters to Cortana#Promotion. — TKD::Talk 07:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I would be in favor of putting the relevant material in Cortana and, to the extent that it began the public's exposure to Halo, Halo (series). Connections with the Halo 3 E3 2006 trailer can be mentioned in marketing for Halo 3. There's not going to be enough verifiable material to sustain a full article. — TKD::Talk 09:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- On that same line why do the letters have a article on their own? shouldn't we merge the content into this and other relevant articles? - Caribbean~H.Q. 09:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- Reading more, that same essay goes on to tie the Cortana Letters (the first advertisement of Halo, back in 1999) to the first Halo 3 trailer. The current article doesn't mention the letters at all, when in fact they were the very first public release of anything directly Halo-related. — TKD::Talk 08:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- I won't have time to do justice to a major addition until at least tomorrow night, but, if anyone else happens to have Halo Effect, the relevant information appears on pages 91–93. — TKD::Talk 08:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- If there is something besides copyedit that needs some work I will be available to do it, so if everybody is busy just drop me a line. - Caribbean~H.Q. 06:37, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- Update: I still plan on working on my own objections (hopefully some time tonight), and I believe that they are fixable, so please don't close this nomination yet. (Side note: It's amazing how much better one feels after sleeping 28 hours out of 32. :)) If I don't get to this by tomorrow, ping me. — TKD::Talk 00:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Fixed what I pointed out above. I'm ready to support. — TKD::Talk 07:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Who'd going to get beyond the first half of the first sentence, and still think this is featured article quality: She is an "artificial intelligence"? Gene Nygaard (talk) 01:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Well she is a AI and is always refered to as such in both the games and novels, what do you suggest we use instead? - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- I think that Gene is objecting to the use of "artificial intelligence" as a noun to refer to a specific AI construct. This is a common usage of term, though, and, in fact, the corresponding category was renamed by consensus to its current location at Category:Fictional artificial intelligences. — TKD::Talk 02:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Something like that. That "intelligence" is a noun; but a noun referring to an abstraction, not to a tangible object. We should stick to the way it is used in the artificial intelligence article; if it is true that some people colloquially abuse the languagein this way, that doesn't mean we need to accept that use under Wikipedia standards. Call her an agent (the "intelligent agent" of the artificial intelligence article, or some other term appropriately identifying an individual, fictional or not) with artificial intelligence or something like that. Note also that there are possible variants that could still result in an "AI" abbreviation. Gene Nygaard (talk) 02:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I'll see what I can do. — TKD::Talk 04:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Copyedited. — TKD::Talk 07:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I'll see what I can do. — TKD::Talk 04:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Something like that. That "intelligence" is a noun; but a noun referring to an abstraction, not to a tangible object. We should stick to the way it is used in the artificial intelligence article; if it is true that some people colloquially abuse the languagein this way, that doesn't mean we need to accept that use under Wikipedia standards. Call her an agent (the "intelligent agent" of the artificial intelligence article, or some other term appropriately identifying an individual, fictional or not) with artificial intelligence or something like that. Note also that there are possible variants that could still result in an "AI" abbreviation. Gene Nygaard (talk) 02:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- I think that Gene is objecting to the use of "artificial intelligence" as a noun to refer to a specific AI construct. This is a common usage of term, though, and, in fact, the corresponding category was renamed by consensus to its current location at Category:Fictional artificial intelligences. — TKD::Talk 02:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Well she is a AI and is always refered to as such in both the games and novels, what do you suggest we use instead? - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Support I think this is ready for the little bronze star, I have looked at it in depth and I think it has everything it needs. Well done on another fine article. James086Talk | Email 10:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Um. and has a slight smugness about her abilities isn't cited. Does a third party think that she is smug about her abilities? hbdragon88 (talk) 05:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- Support This article is very well written. I have seen many articles about real-life people in places like World Book that are not written as well as this one.J.delanoy (talk) 20:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- Comment There seems to be a lot of inconsistency in the reference list. Some notes say 'in English', some don't (English or not). Are there any references not in English? In that I case I advise you to refrain from saying 'in English' all together. Baldrick90 (talk) 15:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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